****** Pakistan v England 3rd Test 3rd Day ******

Don't know.

The draw was 200 this time yesterday?

The draw is falling because Pakistan could well bat all day and set England 500+ in 5+ sessions.

They don't have to win this match. With scoring rates low it's possible (if v.unlikely) that Eng bat those sessions without winning.

1 wicket has fallen in 3 seesions so there's a feeling that batting is easier.

A draw is very, very unlikely but those are the reasons the price is dropping.

Botham really isn't very bright is he?

I would like to express my gratitude to all shrewdies on here who saw the draw coming back in some spectacular fashion. I followed your advice to back draw yesterday though I didn't have balls to nibble some at triple figures. The funny thing is it still can be a draw though it is highly unlikely at the moment. As Pakistan do not need to win I expect them to keep batting untill they are all out and that is not happening today by the look of the things. Can easily see Pakistan 500 now

Entertainment now matching the crowd size  ........ dire.

Bob, the entertainment value will soar again when Pakistan start to bowl and skittle England out for another low score.

With four of England's top 8 batsmen left-handers, they will face a tortuorous time trying to contain the viciously spinning ball spitting out of the rough.

When England are doing well this forum is full. Now they've in the deep ****, have they just all lost interest.

Good trading test so far, might be enough surprise in store if England can bat out for a draw.

When England are doing well this forum is full. Now they've in the deep ****, have they just all lost interest.

Good trading test so far, might be enough surprise in store if England can bat out for a draw.

sorry for posting twice.

Also meant to say 'they're in the deep stuff'. (I do wish this forum aloud you to spell check or go back and amend.

Any of you guys, the few that are here, go three figures on the draw? I only backed as high as 50s. Come on the draw!!

when england are 5/0 pak will be evs lol

crikey he's a fairway down the pitch!

Think I've doomed the draw. I never thought as a keyboard warrior and 2000 miles or so from the action I could have so much influence in the outcome. I'll now shut up for the remainder of the match.

might as well lay pak, market in pure denial... they will fly out as soon as england score a run.

jumper
we have just past the halfway point in the match?

england 6.2? WHAT THE F@~K

6 down.
300 ahead
2 and a half days left

England haven't scored 200 in one innings of this series so far. They should be 16.2.

England backers forgetting that were useless against spin!

Im all in on pakistan. I find it unbelievable that with the evidence of how difficult it is to bat against the inferior english spinners that pak are lengthening. Not to mention the number of lefties that Eng have.

Fill your boots on Pakistan but in hindsight I should have waited as they may lengthen yet.

you might need to "makeawill4.." the draw backers at less than 10/1

Broad top series bowler bet right in the balance now-him & Monty on 13, Swann 12. Tea gives a chance they may start session off with a blast from seamer at one end but it ain't looking rosy

i think bopara and pietersen have been around long enough to work out whether or not they fit nasser.

Lol, left home for an hour came back and they are 8 down. They are Pakistan after all...

shows the tenacity of younis, misbah and azhar (even although i was cursing them earlier for not showing enough intent)

they have effectively won the game for Pakistan

im still trying to work out how they are 1.3

what dyou have them at kingmax?

- 1.02

I posted this last night kingmax, 1.3 is an unbelievable price. It's looking like it will have to be practically a world record chase for England when they've struggled to pass 200 all series

i dont think they are 1.02 but i do think poss 1.1

pak will be 1.5 in no time.

How often are people going to throw their money away on England time after time in this series, they can't play spin, they're hopeless, nothing has changed.

Pakistan are free money.

Im thinking about going all in on Pakistan here, i cannot believe the price, should be about 1.08 imo. How the feck are England going to score 324 on a wearing pitch against spinners they have no idea how to play.

Our openeners doing a good job of getting themselves into a hole here once again

*openers

1.36

dont worry wait for 1.5... another 10 mins

So there were no demons in this pitch actually, was it all in their heads? Pakistan 1.47 now, can you see Eng hang around whole day tomorrow?

have to say that despite earlier bullishness I have greened up for now. Still think Pakistan are PROBABLY the only winners but will watch a bit more tomorrow before fully committing to them again. Loss of some profit for me but I have been caught before being too bullish.  GLA

anyone think england are a decent bet here?

love england 70 for 0 odds on

England are way too short to be a bet given history of run chases - Only ever chased more down twice in history

not betting England to win, just to score 40 runs without losing a wkt, 6/4 you money sounds good to me

Just have to look at this scorecard. Pitch plays similar to Lords - flatter and slower as the match goes on.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2010/engine/current/match/461571.html

It's not flat though is it.  The spinners are getting plenty of purchase.

GENTS I M FEELING VERY STRONGLY THT ENGLAND WILL WIN THIS MATCH.....

Pakistan rightly strong favourites but pitch is now a slow turner.

Heavy roller taken out some of the venom.

England have a start. Pakistan backers in the 1.20s might face a few anxious moments.

just logged on to see check the NFL odds and saw Pakistan to win the test at 1.45??  has someone kidnapped half the team?  surely this is free money, England have never looked like getting 200 nevermind 300!  this would be the second highest score by England to win a test so why are people expecting them to get it at a time where they are completely out of form.  its never going to happen.

Lay Pk for first 15 overs of of day4 and trade out after getting profit of 40 ticks if eng does not lose a wicket.Eng can always survive for a session or so. Even can WIN.

I can say anything because had laid draw @3.65 before toss.

Goodluck to all

Yes, you can't argue with the STATS, diktat.

For instance, when England cruised to 315-4 to beat Australia at Headingley in 2001, there's no way they could have gone on to get 324 if needed. And, of course, all their other successful 4th-innings chases of lower targets would have gone the same way if extended to 324. The STATS say so.

324 is a mystical target, in the face of which wickets would have suddenly tumbled every time if they had needed to chase this extraordinary number.

If england can score 75 a session for 4 more sessions they can do it,but methinks they may only last 3

Prefer Cook top bat a lot higher odds than England odds as can't see England getting close witout him putting in a loooooonnnnngg innings.

Feb 5, 2012 -- 7:28PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:

Yes, you can't argue with the STATS, diktat.For instance, when England cruised to 315-4 to beat Australia at Headingley in 2001, there's no way they could have gone on to get 324 if needed. And, of course, all their other successful 4th-innings chases of lower targets would have gone the same way if extended to 324. The STATS say so. 324 is a mystical target, in the face of which wickets would have suddenly tumbled every time if they had needed to chase this extraordinary number.

of course its possible but which players will get the runs? forget Cook, Bell and Morgan.  Strauss or KP will need to get a big hundred if England have any chance and I just can't see that happening  England have done nothing to suggest that they can get anywhere near this score, I will be amazed if they got 200.  have people just forgotten about 72 all out?? .  I make Pak at 1.25 here not 1.45.

did Pak look like getting many over 300 this series until their last innings?

a lot of these historical stats about 4th innings chases are just that

many more higher 4th innings scores in the last decade or so.

that said hard to fancy england's chances here. probably got bat best part of 4 sessions still at the scoring rates in this match.

Come on England see yourselves in and this total should be easy in 2 days

What are you doing strauss being back like that

Very poor from the skipper, especially after what happened the previous over.

What are you doing staying on the back foot he looked like the guy who had it sorted out as well

he had gone forward they would have never given out such a turning ball, what was he thinking

What was doing with the review? Should have known he was absolutely plum.

Trott almost falling into the same trap.

Still can't believe Strauss didn't get his body in the way of that one he shouldn't be out but should have been out with the previous one

what was the odds of pakistan before strauss wicket ?

Around 1.65

thanks big_dunc

Come on England a bit of luck excellent!!

Ajmal not looking that threatening it's Rehman they need to watch out about

Why would draw be trading under 100 recently? is rain possible?

Why don't they call these wides

any link please?

Jos Buttler just launched yet another assault in Sri Lanka. Smashed Sri Lanka A for 64 off 31 balls with 5 sixes.

I think we'll be lucky to see Buttler wearing a Somerset cap more than once or twice a season from now on.

DRS out of the game for Pakistan :)!!!!

Are we still on day 3?

All these dot balls makes the draw look good value to me. Or am I missing something.

Odd shot selection from JT. Pressure I guess.

That was so dumb they were doing so well just playing it around slowly what was he doing they have so much time 2 an over would win them this test match with about 30/40 overs spare and then he does this what is he thinking play the singles that was so dumb so painful to watch what is he doing and he was negating the spin well what did he just do can't believe it Trott maybe you should take a break from the team

Can't be a draw Esox. Too much time left.

You play those shots after you have your 50 Trott

Oh Trott gone thats why, perhaps they cant last 5 sessions.

Take a break from the team?! 

He averages 55 ffs

Is anyone else completely bewildered by what Trott was doing there he was looking perfect like he knew what was going on and then decides to do an aggressive shot like that

They'd scored 1 run off 35 balls so were feeling the pressure.  It was coming.  They've done it all series.  Going along nicely before clamming up with too many dots before trying a release shot and getting out.

And why is everyone on yesterdays thread anyway?

Yeh i know Birchola he deserves to be in the team just got a bit angry with that it was like a frustrated agressive shot because they hadn't scored for a while but he is known for being patient and that is why he is in the team and that is what he should be doing so bit annoyed but you are right he should still be in the team but had a chance here to put england in a winning position they have plenty of time and didn't need that at all plenty of spaces for singles and they don't even need to take them nice and slow and he did that :(

No DRS as well Trott could have stayed out there all day instead a rash big shot before Lunch what an idiot !!!

anybody could tell me if england lose series 3-0 then what ll be their ranking,,can they lost their 1st position...pls reply

Only if South Africa beat New Zealand 3-0 in their upcoming series.

Don't like this agressive play on that's like 1/23 of the whole score but anyway

really cant see england hiting 324 here at all

bowled him

there is no other player in world capable of making every single ball that gets them out look like the one gatting got at old trafford.

played around it there.

I knew that was going to happen after Cook took that run i felt it was coming why didn't he come forward early painful to watch what a shame Cook should have taken the run but i wish he just stayed one more ball......just as England look to take the ascendance they are again pegged back

WHY PIETERSEN!!!!!!!!!!! Play properly !!!!

it was a good ball mind, but it wasn't the snorting jaffa nasser is making it out to be.

Trott is the problem he did some rubbish

England get lost!!!! But it is really Trott's fault that we are in this situation

england will struggle to make it till tea time

as a positive note the remaining batsmen only need to get 34 each

You make is sound so easy Dado