Sussex v Kent

From the Sussex statement, it says some players 'were approached'.

Do they mean by shady characters or the anti corruption unit asking them if they were on the fiddle.

I would love to see the official report into this to see if betting patterns were studied.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/cb40-11/engine/current/match/492346.html

you don't have to be clouseau to identify three players who were definitely bought plus another whose performance was highly suspicious

remember this game

looking back through the thread its pretty rare you get so many thinking something aint right.

Normally few on each side of the argument.

Without reading thru, was this the one where Goodwin was skipper and he had Nash down at 8 when they needed 12 an over?

Parnell went in at about 6 and blocked it. Nash came in eventually and you could lip read his first words 'WTF are you doing?'

Nash then hit about 20 off one over.

No. That was the one at Whitgift School vs Surrey.

The market "knew" that one too, just not as blatantly.

It also "knew" Sussex would lose to Middx at Hove in a televised CB40 the previous year.

I stand to be corrected, but I believe Sussex lost every single televised game they played in 2010 and 2011.

Perhaps this Kent game was so blatant that the authorities had to have a quiet word about not being so obvious, which would explain Sussex's televised improvement this year.

Thanks Screaming. Yes, you're spot on. Tiny ground chasing something massive. The batting order defied all logic.

lol, the 'cast' of this thread should be called as witnesses at the trial

BF need to investigate the accounts of anyone who won huge on this.. A £100k+ winner would
be very suspicious esp if that account wasnt used to winning such amounts.

Guess a few  indian bookies accounts must be +/- that amount in many games tho.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/13983642

Here's a link to the surrey Sussex match at whitgift. Remember Nash being well fooked off when he came in after Lou Vincent's strange (hmmmmm) innings.

I was very sure this was a fix very

try again:


I was very sure this was a fix very on in the match, as I posted on the 2nd or 3rd page here. Prices were ridiculous, for long periods of the game Sussex were a good 30 ticks too high

try again:


I was very sure this was a fix very on in the match, as I posted on the 2nd or 3rd page here. Prices were ridiculous, for long periods of the game Sussex were a good 30 ticks too high

Glamorgan on my corruption watch next season

Does anyone know of a place I could find listed the County games broadcast live by Sky Sports in 2010 and 2011?

I went through a rough list I reconstructed last Winter and found Sussex had lost every single match, but I'd like to confirm this.

Thanks.

ttt

Never forget

...

... just bringing the potential "fixed" games back to the top

Mervyn Westfield’s conviction for spot-fixing in Essex’s CB40 game against Durham in 2010 brought the reality of corruption to the heart of English cricket. A 2011 game between Kent and Sussex remains the subject of a continuing investigation.

PUBLISHED: 22:10, 27 July 2013

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2380143/West-Indies-v-Pakistan-ODI-series-investigated-betting-corruption.html?ico=sport^headlines



Is this true? The authorities have not accepted the whitewash offered by Sussex CCC's "investigation"? How I would love to see the club nailed over this.

oh hello http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2518446/Former-New-Zealand-...

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/10832310/Cricket-rocked-by-new-fixing-evidence-from-New-Zealands-former-batsman-Lou-Vincent.html

STEPTOES YARD     23 Aug 11 21:03 
not often you see a side needing 85 off 108 with 6 in hand at 1.75

Richard LL     23 Aug 11 21:01 
Why all the big shots, they only need 5 an over?

cricketjon     23 Aug 11 21:47 
Melissa emailed BBC Radio Kent re suspicious activity on a reputable betting exchnage

my first thought was that cannot be betfairLaugh

bilbobaggins     23 Aug 11 20:34 
Cannot believe the movement in the prices here - they are only consistent with one thing and that's if the result is known in advance.

peterpiperpicked     23 Aug 11 19:23 
i am new to cricket and am really puzzled- can anyone explain to me why sussex are so long?  I would heve expected 1.6- 1.7  at the mo

ScreamingBTW - did you ever get that list of televised matches and did Sussex lose them all?

Really hope now that Lou Vincent has been forced to go public, presumably to flush out others and get them to talk, that those involved in the Sussex v Kent match get their comeuppence.

Afraid not, Happy Valley. I just drifted back to betting mainly on horse racing again, as it's straighter

I still follow cricket, because I love the sport, and I still bet on outright markets and outright results, but ball-by-ball betting for a living? No thanks.

In the last Mumbai Indians game, one Mumbai bowler was sending down one fantastically accurate, unplayable delivery after another. Suddenly a huge chunk caused the MI price to drift about 10 ticks. It then returned to its former level, yet the same thing happened again. The bowler's next ball was a full toss just outside off stump, which disappeared over the cover boundary.

I can't make a living out of that.

I'm sure somewhere out there on the net there's lists of Sky coverage for 2010 and 2011. If anyone could point me to them, I'm pretty sure it would confirm Sussex lost every one in which they appeared, despite having a very good and successful side at the time.

perhaps ed joyce shouldn't be proposing cronje-esque declarations to force a result when vincent is so ready to spill the beans.

Vincent can spill all the beans he likes, but the money men would still prefer to look the other way:

A reorganisation of the anti-corruption unit was confirmed by the ICC last week after pressure from the three influential countries, England, Australia and India.
Dave Richardson, the chief executive of the ICC, and representatives from the big three nations who now control the board will conduct the review.
Suspicions it will then be watered down and report to the chairman of the board, N Srinivasan, who is the subject of a fixing scandal in India, have prompted widespread alarm within the game.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/10832310/Cricket-rocked-by-new-fixing-evidence-from-New-Zealands-former-batsman-Lou-Vincent.html

Screaming - I managed to find links to the broadcast schedule of 2010 and 2011. They might be a bit slow to load:

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https://web.archive.org/web/20100217022701/http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/domestic/sky-sports-broadcast-schedule,1248,BP.html
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https://web.archive.org/web/20110520153825/http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/domestic/sky-sports-broadcast-schedule,1248,BP.html

Really grateful, Gin. Got to go through the form for the racing now, but will check those links tonight.

Hope one of them has the match/bit where Chris Nash mouths to Lou Vincent. "wtf are you doing"

That was at Whitgift I think. Nash was pushed down the order despite Sussex needing 10+ an over from the start.

Parnell was sent in ahead of Nash and appeared to block. A wicket fell, Nash came in (at 6 or maybe 7.)

He went straight up to Parnell and said what Blackbarn has quoted. He then hit 2 sixes of his first 5 balls but Sussex were already out of it.

so did Nash (Sussex born and bred) say that to Parnell or to vincent?

Parnell. Nash was upset at his place in the batting order and then incredulous at Parnell's lack of intent.

Muzza was skipper..

OK. I've looked at 2011, and it turns out I was wrong. Sussex did win 3 out of their 7 televised one-day matches, and a quick glance through 2010 shows something similar. I can only say that the surrenders to Kent and Surrey were so notorious, along with the T20 loss at home to Middx on 2 July 2010, that it just felt like they kept finding ways to get beaten when favourites. But I hold my hands up. I was wrong: 

Clydesdale Bank 40
Sunday 24 April - Hampshire v Warwickshire
Monday 25 April - Leicestershire v Scotland
Sunday 1 May - Kent v Worcestershire
Monday 2 May - Yorkshire v Derbyshire
Friday 6 May - Glamorgan v Essex (d/n)
Sunday 8 May - Somerset v Gloucestershire
Sunday 15 May - Leicestershire v Warwickshire
Tuesday 17 May - Middlesex v Worcestershire (d/n)
Friday 20 May - Hampshire v Northants (d/n)
Sunday 22 May - Lancashire v Nottinghamshire
Wednesday 25 May - Nottinghamshire v Gloucestershire (d/n)
Sunday 17 July - TBC
Monday 18 July - Lancashire v Somerset (d/n)
Tuesday 19 July - Hampshire v Durham (d/n)
Wednesday 20 July - Essex v Glamorgan (d/n)
Tuesday 26 July - Warwckshire v Hampshire (d/n)
Wednesday 27 July - Sussex v Yorkshire (d/n) Sussex won by 76 runs
Thursday 28 July - Middlesex v Derbyshire (d/n)
Wednesday 3 August - Surrey v Northants (d/n)
Thursday 4 August - Derbyshire v Worcestershire (d/n)
Friday 5 August - Lancashire v Gloucestershire (d/n)
Monday 15 August - Somerset v Nottinghamshire (d/n)
Tuesday 16 August - Kent v Middlesex (d/n)
Wednesday 17 August - Warwickshire v Surrey (d/n)
Tuesday 23 August - Sussex v Kent (d/n) Kent won by 14 runs
Wednesday 24 August - Gloucestershire v Somerset (d/n)
Monday 29 August - TBC
Sunday 4 September - Semi Finals (both)
Saturday 17 September - Final

Friends Life t20
Wednesday 1 June - Hampshire v Somerset (d/n)
Thursday 2 June - Durham v Warwickshire
Wednesday 8 June - Lancashire v Leicestershire
Thursday 9 June - Northants v Durham
Friday 10 June - Lancashire v Yorkshire
Saturday 11 June - Nottinghamshire v Warwickshire
Sunday 12 June - Yorkshire v Northants
Monday 13 June - Surrey v Essex (d/n)
Tuesday 14 June - Sussex v Somerset (d/n) Sussex won by 4 wickets
Wednesday 15 June - Derbyshire v Worcestershire
Tuesday 21 June - Glamorgan v Essex (d/n)
Wednesday 22 June - Yorkshire v Derbyshire
Thursday 23 June - Essex v Hampshire (d/n)
Friday 24 June - Nottinghamshire v Leicestershire
Sunday 26 June - Somerset v Glamorgan
Monday 27 June - Hampshire v Sussex Hampshire won by 35 runs
Wednesday 29 June - Leicestershire v Yorkshire
Thursday 30 June - Hampshire v Kent (d/n)
Saturday 2 July - Essex v Middlesex
Monday 4 July - Surrey v Sussex (d/n) Surrey won by 18 runs
Tuesday 5 July - Worcestershire v Nottinghamshire
Thursday 7 July - Middlesex v Surrey (d/n)
Friday 8 July - Kent v Sussex Sussex won by 15 runs
Sunday 10 July - Gloucestershire v Glamorgan
Monday 11 July - Warwickshire v Durham
Tuesday 12 July - Northants v Lancashire
Wednesday 13 July - TBC
Thursday 14 July - TBC
Friday 15 July - TBC
Saturday 6 August - QF Double Header
Sunday 7 August - QF
Monday 8 August - QF - Sussex v Lancashire Lancashire won by 20 runs
Saturday 27 August - Finals Day

did parnell leave summarily?

does anyone know why murray goodwin went to glamorgan? ha ha.

Parnell was certainly still around by August, as I saw him at in a 4-day game at Taunton getting annoyed by a Jos Buttler century. The closest his bowling got to the stumps was when he tried to kick them over at the umpire's end while the umpire was turning round watching the ball disappear into the River Tone.

The single biggest threat to the integrity of sport is the speed at which fixing concerns are investigated.

Time and time again it is shown that the liquidity in exchange markets is no match for the greed of those in the know, to the extent that even a relatively inexperienced exchange user can detect when something is wrong. Those of us that have been around the block a few times can spot it a mile off.

If there were representatives monitoring these situations, how would players react if during the game raising concerns, they were approached and informed that there would be a full investigation of the integrity of the current match after it had finished, e.g. the tournament organiser informing davydenko in sopot at the end of the second set, or a match official going into the sussex dressing room mid innings.

I think they'd just laugh and carry on once the match official had left. Spot-fixing seems to have become the norm since the three Pakistanis were jailed, since this case confirmed that the very worst thing that could happen, if you were the ringleader and caught red-handed on video and tried in one of the very few countries willing to prosecute, was seven months in HMP Canterbury.

... Of course, that's if you deny all guilt in court, and only confess after release. If you claim to be a teenager and deny all guilt until confessing at the last possible moment, then it's just three months in a Young Offenders Institution and the bulk of your country's cricketing public demanding your return to the game as soon as possible.

Well it is still going on in IPL7 despite what happened last season. So long as corporate and/or criminal types are behind the fixing then it wont be stopped anytime soon.
DStyle - while you are about I sent you a message yday. Did you pick it up ok?

sorry - i use the old forum. let me go and check.

i don't think they'd laugh and carry on at all.

I think the moment you alerted them to the fact they an investigation had started and that their future actions in this match are now under scrutiny they'd think twice.

as for butt, the sentence is perhaps not the most damaging aspect. He's wrecked his future.

The future is of little account when you can still retire to enjoy the spoils of the past.

Besides, players are in no position suddenly to pull out of a fixing deal halfway through a game. The consequences of p1ssing off the kind of people who organize fixed matches are surely more threatening than a warning from some man from the ECB.

See Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction for an example of the difficulties that lie ahead for sportsmen who change their minds about throwing a contest.

In a sign that fixing was endemic in the county game, Vincent was  introduced to another bookie, known as NG, who was from Pakistan, by a fellow county cricketer.
They met in a hotel in Brighton on August 22, 2011, when NG brought up the match against Kent the next day. NG gave Vincent a gift of perfume. ‘Then the conversation got to the point . . . making money from it illegally.’ NG told Vincent that other players were involved and asked if he was interested. ‘Yes,’ replied Vincent. ‘It was a simple instruction, we would underperform and Sussex would lose.’
Vincent then told VG about the plan so he could ‘make double the money’. VG told him to approach a Sussex batsman and offer him £20,000 to be in on the fix. But the player rejected it.

This time there was no precise plan. No ‘three-over segment’. ‘It was straightforward, we underperform, Sussex loses.’
Vincent did underperform. He was run out for one off seven balls as Sussex’s innings stagnated.
Set 217 to win, Sussex were 76 for no wicket before the start of the 11th over. Just 22 balls later only seven runs had been added and they had lost four wickets.
After the game, another team-mate Vincent approached was furious. ‘He knew the game was fixed. I just wanted to get out of there.’ Vincent told the ICC he received £40,000 to throw the game — £25,000 from NG and £15,000 from VG.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2629678/How-Asian-bookies-f...

thanks for the links Screaming

It beggars belief that the ECB's anti corruption unit is so unable to read matches with or without understanding betting patterns.

Their incompetence is staggering.

Injera. Agree absolutely. Who specifically in this anti-corruption unit has responsibility for the "team" that is responsible for the monitoring and interpretation of betting patterns on the games under investigation, and more importantly on games in general.

The problem is that, I bet there isn't even a "team", or even anyone specifically responsible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/27447452

the nugget     23 Aug 11 18:52 
Lix has made a good point. Be wary of Lou Vincent in the chase Plain

Lix     23 Aug 11 20:21 
Vincent keeping to the script so far

RAINGOD     23 Aug 11 17:03 
match fixed delhi bookmakers
good luck guys

The ECB employ two ex coppers FULL TIME to look at this stuff.

Wonder if they read this thread.

The other matcvh being looked at is Sussex v Lancs which I don't recall.

Surrey v Sussex at Whitgift was dodgey.

There are a few cricketers very frightened what Vincent might say in the coming days...

Lou Vincent and Naved Arif of Sussex charged with match fixing in the Sussex vs Kent matched

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/27526347

Pathetic. The ECB charge two non-Englishmen/non-Irishmen, and even then wait until they're no longer playing to do so.

screaming from beneaththewaves 23 Aug 11 22:08 Joined: 30 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 6,820 | Blogger: screaming from beneaththewaves's blog
Scooped and caught at long on

All out
Sad

Only Parnell, Nash and Monty look 100% clean here.

Leather jackets for the rest of this vile Sussex XI.

it's amazing they're proceeding with this with only two names.

i think we all know that

Superb Victory for Scottish Tennis Player(6, 7)

is the only of some truly fabulous leather jackets.

*owner

Agreed. He got out very softly against Kent and was captain at Whitgift when Nash was dropped down the order chasing 200+ in 20 overs..

a little bit of credit to the ex-coppers, one of whom appeared to not let this go after the ICC's ACSU quickly saw nothing untoward in this match. Makes you wonder what they actually bothered to look at.

that lot are the real waste of space and deserve just as much opprobrium as those involved in the actual fixing.

If we're talking opprobrium and wastes of space, let us not forget Sussex CCC itself.

Sussex fixing approach confirmed
17 November 2012 Updated 12:34

Sussex have confirmed their players were approached to fix a Clydesdale Bank 40 match in 2011.
The one-day game against Kent is mentioned in a newly published book about corruption in cricket.
Sussex say an internal investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing, and that they reported the approaches - and their findings - to the England and Wales Cricket Board.
Kent beat Sussex by 14 runs in the game at Hove, which was televised live.
A Sussex statement (external) read: "In conjunction with the ICC (International Cricket Council), a full investigation was undertaken with nothing untoward coming to light, and the club's prompt action receiving praise.
"There have been no further reports made to the club concerning any Sussex matches.
"As a club, we are committed to ensuring that the game's integrity is not breached at any time and we will continue to take a full and leading role in the ECB's endeavours to protect the game."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/20376425.app

Well we didn't let it go and fortunately some people in authority didn't either.
Sussex C.C. should be ashamed of their role in this, hopefully criminal charges will be laid and some more names will be flushed out.

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/316/316230.html

^^^ scorecard from the game at whitgift school, i remember it as i backed sussex that day. Sorry if this has already been done but look at vincents run rate and parnell batting ahead of nash and goodwin?????????

8 people viwing none replying? surely someone remembers it? can see that card looks fishy?

That game has been discussed again and again on this thread.

Sorry pal, knew it was discussed, just wasnt sure a scorecard link was put up

@ RichardLL: Essex CCC should be ashamed of itself following its lack of transparency in the Westfield/Kaneria spotfixing, but it's not. That only came to light because of Tony Pallodino blowing the whistle, which was followed by Essex CCC sacking him.

'£12m was apparently bet on one website alone in relation to this Sussex against Kent match' - David Bond, BBC sports editor

Have just read this thread for the first time and it makes very interesting reading. If the forumites on here could see what was happening as it unfolded then why has it taken the authorities nearly 3 years to bring this to book?

Because Sussex CCC carried out a thorough investigation of Sussex CCC and found "no evidence of wrongdoing".

But then Lou Vincent retired from the game and for some reason told the authorities what he'd done. Unfortunately for the authorities his confession was leaked, so they had to do something, so they charged Vincent and the other player from the match who had retired from cricket.

isn't it bl00dy pathetic, well worse than pathetic, all the evidence needed to bring a prosecution is on the earlier parts of this thread and were either contemporaneous to the match between Sussex and Kent or posted slightly BEFORE the events occurred.

i do not believe these were the only two sussex players who were at it and agree with the cryptic remarks above.

Amazing read. Just got to provide this thread in court to get a guilty verdict.

Vincent, who played 23 Tests and 102 one-day internationals and last appeared for New Zealand in 2007, told ICC investigators he began fixing in 2008 in the Twenty20 Indian Cricket League for a world-famous former international. We know the identity of the cricketer but cannot name him for legal reasons.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2629678/How-Asian-bookies-f...
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any guesses on this "world famous former international" ?

NO!

NO GUESSES.

What part of "cannot name him for legal reasons" do you not understand?

We do not want to give Betfair any excuse to delete this thread.

your right, I dont understand it, can you explain it to me in detail?

Grant, a number of ex players have subsequently been found guilty of match/spot fixing. The ICL was riddled with corruption. Before that, there were famous international players implicated in match/spot fixing.

According to cricinfo, other players are being looked at in regard to 40 over county cricket.

One would hope the two ex coppers employed by the ECB might contact Betfair and the many pro bettors who use this site to give their views of T20 as well.....

did you see or read about the sussex press conference during/before the middx match, expressing their dismay and outrage towards those should it be proven they were involved in match fixing while representing sussex.

perhaps they should also have expressed outrage towards those at the club and those in wider authority who conducted the sham inquiry which initially found no wrong-doing in contradiction to the evidence on here, in the betting patterns and in the developments on the pitch and also with one other sussex player apparently going ballistic in the dressing-room afterwards suggesting a fix had happened.

Coach Mark Robinson: "This isn't a Sussex thing, this is world cricket ..."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2014/content/current/story/748213.html

NO! This is a Sussex thing. For the sake of cricket stop continually trying to evade responsibility. If Sussex CCC's "investigation" had looked at the conduct of its players in that match and/or made use of cricket's Memorandum Of Understanding with Betfair, this affair could have been dealt with years ago.

I'm sure Ed Joyce is "angry". People might now unfortunately look at his delicate chip to a Kent fielder, who spilled it, in a different light, particularly as he followed it up by feathering the ball straight to the keeper.

"Dave Brooks, who was the Sussex chief executive in 2011, has revealed that several players approached the club and Robinson with their concerns at the time, leading to the investigation, initially by the International Cricket Council’s anti-corruption and security unit. The Lancashire game was a quarter-final in the Twenty20 Cup, so defeat cost Sussex a place in the lucrative finals day, while victory against Kent would have secured their place in the semi-finals of the 40-over tournament."

This is what I think is deeply troubling, a number of Sussex players thought fixing had occurred yet the subsequent investigation found nothing. So what on earth was the quality of that investigation? Did it want to find anything?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/may/27/sussex-match-fixing-claims-mark-robinson - and this is the link from where that quote is take.

and as much as i usually agree with Screamin', even defer to his more hands-on analysis of the integrity/gambling matters in cricket, i'd be totally shocked and horrified if ed joyce was one of the bad apples. there is one other who was very much suspected but i have a feeling those suspicions may be wrong as he's still playing.

the MoU with the ecb was agreed late 2012 screaming

with ACSU, 2004

So why didn't Sussex CCC contact the ACSU, if they genuinely didn't know what their players were getting up to, and wanted to find out?

Or read this thread, if they didn't know the ACSU's e-mail address?

ACSU=?

please remind me.

the ICC's anti corruption unit.

The ICC's Anti-Corruption and Security Unit.

Unfortunately the ICC has no powers, unless its wishes coincide with those of the BCCI. The BCCI has no desire to tackle the corruption inherent to India, hence neither does the ACSU.

thanks guys - please can you now remind me who the BCCI are?

personally i believe there should be a thorough investigation into how the original sussex investigation cleared everyone, that smacks of corrupt practice, especially now that it has emerged at least one sussex player was going beserk at the time in the dressing-room complaining of match-fixing.

Happy Valley 29 May 14 07:33 
thanks guys - please can you now remind me who the BCCI are?

indian cricket board, the people who really run the game, despite the ICC's pretense that they do.

When you have investigative bodies that are so closely tied to the organisations running the game (or in some cases are actually part of said organisations) there is often the problem that thorough investigations and uncovering of corruption, match fixing or doping, will damage the sport and it may be thought that it's not in the sporting bodies interest to pursue something that an independent body would.

certainly this was the case in cycling regarding doping, and is, i would suspect, happening in tennis as well.

As screaming has alluded to, it was probably all to easy for Sussex to want to not find anything.

very articulate DS, if i may say so

and i think it pertains to horse racing, too, indeed just think of that lone assassin who was managing to drug a huge quantity of horses all by himself, as well as procure the drugs, store them, transport them blah, blah and very lucky no vets involved either

Arif admits to fixing, life ban

The ECB persisted with the investigation after two other lines of enquiry failed to bring results. The Sussex-Kent match in question was investigated by the ICC's anti-corruption unit (ACSU) but insufficient evidence was found for it to progress, before the ECB reopened the case in 2012.

Sussex also found no evidence during its own internal investigation and announced the matter as closed. The county indicated that it would be making no comment on the outcome.

Sussex CCC still refusing to accept blame or take responsibility.

The ECB happy to let them.

The county indicated that it would be making no comment on the outcome.




Why not ? Do Sussex think it is okay to have match fixing going on at their club ?

TTT

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Yawn

thanks cs, this is the one