TWO Convicted Druggies in the medals in the mens 100m

Ben Johnson seething with roid rage

who other than gatlin has been suspended?

didnt the beast have a 3month supplement ban or something?

Yeah, apparently it wasnt on the banned list but had the same affect as a drug that was on the banned list, so i cant work out why it wasnt on the list anyway.

Does convicted make you worse than being uncovicted? Be realistic, they're probably all on it

Question mark over Ohuruogu (yes i know she was cleared eventually)still odd tho

Aug 5, 2012 -- 10:28PM, Sudoku_Junior wrote:

Yeah, apparently it wasnt on the banned list but had the same affect as a drug that was on the banned list, so i cant work out why it wasnt on the list anyway.

If its not on list then he hasn't done anything wrong. Who's to say he wouldnt have used it if it was?

They all dope to the eyeballs before the event, no way to catch them.

Then there's whatever undetectable crap the top guys are on.

Aug 5, 2012 -- 10:51PM, Mike-lfc wrote:

Aug  5, 2012 -- 10:28PM, Sudoku_Junior wrote:Yeah, apparently it wasnt on the banned list but had the same affect as a drug that was on the banned list, so i cant work out why it wasnt on the list anyway.If its not on list then he hasn't done anything wrong. Who's to say he wouldnt have used it if it was?

That's exactly my point. If he got banned for something that wasn't on the list it doesn't make sense. You either don't ban him or make sure that it is on the list.

hope bolt take,s some of that stuff m phelps got banned for, might give the rest a chance.

The substance Blake took is now on the banned list. I don't think it was then - Wada initially didn't ban him but a three-month suspension was given on appeal.

what was the substance darlo? got a name for it?

Methylhexanamine. The Jamaican anti-doping organisation appealed its own ruling and looks like got the Wada list changed. They said it was similar to tuaminoheptane. All these drug names mean nothing to me mind.

stimulant

It was DMAA the same stuff that is in Oxyelite Pro, the fat burner that some Hull rugby players have been banned for. It's been banned in the USA, Australia, NZ, Canada, but not in the UK.

Ohorugu not a single word mentioned about drugs by the Beeb

Only interested in accusing Algerians imo

Hans - zzzzz

seriously like a broken record.

wiggins is a cheat in your eyes.

sad, very very sad that you have such a dour outlook on life/sport

You think cheats should be allowed to prosper in sport ?

again, where did i say that?

you make things up as you go along!

You think it is fine for Justin Gatlin at the end of his career to have multiple Olympic medals despite twice failing drugs tests?

Or why are you crying at my posts? You dont think this is an important issue or what is your agenda?

again....! where did i say it was fine justin gatlin wins a bronze?

i think it is very important but unlike you i let people who have not been found guilty prosper without suspicion... you prefer to accuse anyone with talent and believe everyone is taking some drugs.

i've always found it hard to accept that the guys at the top are clean whilst all about them are at it

in 20 years time or so the samples from london will be re tested, and we may get results
but i doubt it

some previous olympic samples have been re tested using todays technology and results not published


ben johnson and co caught at the time, on drugs, yet no where near todays standard
you have to think that the drugs then either didnt work or else strange forces are at work

There are drug issues in pretty much all the top sports - Athletics, Football, Cycling, Swimming, Cricket, NFL - you name it. BUT, you might as well leave it to the authorities to deal with or give up watching sport altogether. No point in getting wound up about it.

my stance:

get caught taking drugs - then minimum 2 year ban and all previous titles, records etc stripped.

i'd give them a second chance as people can be misinformed, mislead (young athletes) but a percentage of their future earnings would go towards the sport and costs of drug testing

justin gatlin has been caught twice, i believe, although first was not steroids... if you are caught second time then life time ban.

i do think it is hard pill to swallow watching gatlin pick up a bronze ahead of gay who has suffered bad injuries and drugs free but his reputation is tarnished and we all know that

cheating happens in every sport... neil back heineken cup final, maradona, premier league every single game... just that in athletics it's down to your own body and not conning officials

the east germans showed what could be done in the chemistry lab, and the effects can be seen on people today

some of them had no clue what was going on, some footballers have said they have had vitamin jabs, and doubtless didnt know what was in it

then we have athletes claiming to have eaten contaminated steaks, ffs



i just wish they would re test all samples 20 years after the games and publish results, but we know it wont happen, and we know why

well the NFL is pretty strict on it... 4 game ban!!

Yeah I agree with Degs that you have to watch and enjoy sport until somebody is proved guilty of taking drugs.  Having said that I believe that if caught it should be a lifetime ban.  I must admit that it galled me seeing Gatlin pick up a medal last night - he should be nowhere near a Olympic event

i think the authorities know the truth, and fear a full trial if they give a life ban , in which the beans get spilt

although you are prob right, so be it

the puruit of lance armstrong and his team by the us authorities is interesting

if he comes out of a full trial with an un tarnished reputation i will be delighted

the puruit of lance armstrong and his team by the us authorities is interesting

if he comes out of a full trial with an un tarnished reputation i will be delighted

Armstrong doesn't have much of a reputation left to tarnish

It's good to cast aspersions on amazing athletic performances, based on nothing more than suspicion - it makes you look cool and knowledgeable.

When nothing happens, you merely say 'wait for another 20 years' thus sustaining your 'I'm in the know' persona and (doubtless) massive hard-on.

lol roger.. i agree

regarding lance... innocent until proven guilty.

although my mate had a "good" theory that US and cycling revealing their greatest cyclist was a cheat would destroy the reputation of cycling forever

cycling has a deserved reputation

a russian failed a test on july 24th and was due to compete in london

drug addled

everyone is innocent until proven guilty


if they have nothing to hide why try to prevent old samples being re tested


some athletes use new drugs, not yet banned, so cant be detected, are they as innocent as those on no drugs at all ???



the innocent will always suffer for the sins of the guilty , thats life, and it isnt clever to point it out

everyone is innocent until proven guilty


if they have nothing to hide why try to prevent old samples being re tested


some athletes use new drugs, not yet banned, so cant be detected, are they as innocent as those on no drugs at all ???



the innocent will always suffer for the sins of the guilty , thats life, and it isnt clever to point it out

Aug 6, 2012 -- 11:05AM, NonShy.. wrote:

my stance:get caught taking drugs - then minimum 2 year ban and all previous titles, records etc stripped.i'd give them a second chance as people can be misinformed, mislead (young athletes) but a percentage of their future earnings would go towards the sport and costs of drug testingjustin gatlin has been caught twice, i believe, although first was not steroids... if you are caught second time then life time ban.i do think it is hard pill to swallow watching gatlin pick up a bronze ahead of gay who has suffered bad injuries and drugs free but his reputation is tarnished and we all know thatcheating happens in every sport... neil back heineken cup final, maradona, premier league every single game... just that in athletics it's down to your own body and not conning officials

I think I agree with that. I was of the stance one failed test and that's it career over. However, the likes of David Millar show that you cannot only change but can be a force for good in the drugs war. And as you say young athletes can be mislead, etc, especially in some sports.

I find Armstrong an interesting one. As far as I'm concerned, he's still innocent since he hasn't failed a drugs test. But the Tour is a team sport and some of his teammates have failed tests. Should that then mean he is stripped of his titles since they drug cheats were helping him out massively.

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again....! where did i say it was fine justin gatlin wins a bronze?

i think it is very important but unlike you i let people who have not been found guilty prosper without suspicion... you prefer to accuse anyone with talent and believe everyone is taking some drugs.



Errrrr..... I start a thread about two medallists who have served drugs bans and I am accusing every athlete of cheating???

donny - re-testing last 20 years will never happen... costs a fortune to test for drugs never mind 20 years and the proceeding potential scandal

you harped on about wiggins ... no proof ... not even the slightest of suspicion except he won the TDF and other cyclists before have won the TDF and been caught cheating.

some jobs allow 4 weeks holiday and 6 weeks sick leave per year, its amazing how many people ensure they use all of their sick leave !!!

allowing one failed drugs test will be abused too



but yeah, in general give people a chance

'some previous olympic samples have been re tested using todays technology and results not published'

In the recent BBC doc about the 88 final that tester said he went back and looked at the samples and considered exposing it. You could tell by his reaction that a vast number were positive and for that reason opted against it and let it lie

Interesting read for anyone who hasn't already it

http://foreverballin.com/performance-enhancing-drugs-in-pro-sports/

got to consider that if drugs were not on the banned list and were being used is that cheating?

Some yes. Some no. Athletes were taking drugs, and other methods - like blood transfusion - knowing it wasn't banned but that it was performance enhancing.

easy to invent a new drug, so yeah ban them all and make the ban retrospective

I'm no chemist but

Heredia: Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers.

interesting Don... heredia says given one injection but GH, insulin is a different injection to testosterone

insulin/GH is subcutaneous
steroids is intramuscular

not sure if marion jones got done for steroids/testosterone? and i've never heard of anyone taking testosterone orally... although that is not saying it can't be done.

EPO - drug of the cyclist

epo would have been a good drug for footballers, distance runners




beetroot juice is an interesting one, should that be banned,



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/beetroot-juice-bolsters-athletic-performance-study-finds-2306407.html

donny - i think kluivert was on some form of 'beetle juice' at nufc

not enough of it, iirc