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By:
inner city sumo
When: 01 Aug 12 19:07
Clearly struck a nerve there. Keep cheering on those match fixers hans.
By:
HansUlrichApfelStrudel
When: 01 Aug 12 19:12
Of course I asked for odds thinking the appeal had not been heard. If he offered me decent odds I would have checked this and placed a bet accordingly, as I would have thought common sense would have prevailed. He did not, the appeal had been heard and no bets struck.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it was not pocket talking. Cheer up sumo, it is not the end of the world and try not to blaspheme on the forum, it makes you look like some kind of chav chelsea fan.
By:
inner city sumo
When: 01 Aug 12 19:18
I believe you hans. I really do. I believe you definitely have not lost money on the badminton...
By:
1stpost
When: 01 Aug 12 19:57
wrong wrong wrong....they're r playing for the gold not to crowd please,,,,IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME as athletes crawling in their heats or football teams not playing to win to avoid tougher apponents in the next round.....just another example of incompetent officials
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 01 Aug 12 20:09

Aug 1, 2012 -- 6:51PM, numer0ne wrote:


IT WAS A TERRIBLE DECISION!!! ANYONE WHOM SAYS OTHERWISE IS A DILETTANTE UNAWARE OF HOW PRO SPORTS WORK!!!


Pro sports?

By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 01 Aug 12 20:18
Anyone remember this?

In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honor of our teams.
By:
numer0ne
When: 01 Aug 12 21:04
yeah pro sports, v.few olympians aren't practising full-time these days
By:
the silverback
When: 01 Aug 12 21:33
It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it.

And that's what gets results.
By:
cricnut
When: 01 Aug 12 21:52
should be banned from all olympics from now on, end of story
By:
undern
When: 01 Aug 12 23:38
The road race cycling ... other team members deliberately did not go all out (or at least tried to slow the Peleton up) to assist other team members ... so what is the difference ... as these cyclists definitely weren't trying to win for themselves ...
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 01 Aug 12 23:48

Aug 1, 2012 -- 9:52PM, cricnut wrote:


should be banned from all olympics from now on, end of story


Not even drugs cheats get banned for life.

By:
Forest000
When: 02 Aug 12 05:57
undern
The road race cycling ... other team members deliberately did not go all out (or at least tried to slow the Peleton up) to assist other team members ... so what is the difference ... as these cyclists definitely weren't trying to win for themselves ...


The difference is, its a different sport and cannot be compared.  And you aren't comparing like for like. Cycling is basically a team event.

I watched part of some of the games in question. 
What the did wasn't playing softly but actually cheating, deliberately serving into the net etc.  And there is a MASSIVE difference between not putting in the effort 100% to win and trying to lose.

To compare like for like:
Football: Scoring an own goal on purpose.
Cycling:  Blocking your own man to allow someone else in another team to win, on purpose.
Cricket: Bowling wides so it runs out of play and gives your opponent free runs, on purpose.
Etc etc etc.

Now clearly, in the above examples (and I could give many more), if this happened then it would be infringing so many sporting laws that bans would take place (for example, pakistan i the cricket).

For me it was:
1) Outright cheating.
2) Against olympic spirit and
3) Showing a huge disrespect to the paying fans who had payed a lot of money to at least see a spectacle.

I am glad they are banned.

At the time of writing, China have ordered their players/staff to apoligise and that to me says they know what they were doing is wrong.
By:
Dark....Target
When: 02 Aug 12 07:13
Not sure how people are defending them.

Of course you should be disqualified for match fixing.
By:
HansUlrichApfelStrudel
When: 02 Aug 12 07:56
1) Outright cheating.
Serving in the net is cheating? The matches were not fixed! You have two teams already qualified not wanting to win. If something is fixed the result is pre determined. No way of knowing which teams was going to win/lose these games.
2) Against olympic spirit and
The Olympic Spirit? I am sure old Pierre would love to know the games are now full of over paid pros and sponsored by fast food and fizzy drink companies.
3) Showing a huge disrespect to the paying fans who had payed a lot of money to at least see a spectacle.
Are people who paid to watch Chelsea matches in the CL going to get refund? What has the crowd got to do with people being DQ?
By:
Dark....Target
When: 02 Aug 12 08:14
Hans

I don't see why you are defending match fixing.
By:
Forest000
When: 02 Aug 12 08:27

Aug 2, 2012 -- 7:56AM, HansUlrichApfelStrudel wrote:


1) Outright cheating.Serving in the net is cheating? The matches were not fixed! You have two teams already qualified not wanting to win. If something is fixed the result is pre determined. No way of knowing which teams was going to win/lose these games.2) Against olympic spirit andThe Olympic Spirit? I am sure old Pierre would love to know the games are now full of over paid pros and sponsored by fast food and fizzy drink companies.3) Showing a huge disrespect to the paying fans who had payed a lot of money to at least see a spectacle.Are people who paid to watch Chelsea matches in the CL going to get refund? What has the crowd got to do with people being DQ?


1) Serving in the net on purpose is indeed cheating. 
2) With such a great 'show', it has to be paid for.  Do you think in the old days, no-one made money out of it?
3) Why would they?  Chelsea didn't try to lose on purpose.  Had they done that, I am sure they would have received long bans.

By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 02 Aug 12 08:46
Chinese delegation distressed?


ExcitedLaugh
By:
NonShy..
When: 02 Aug 12 09:12
should be thrown into jail like the pakistani cricketers
By:
db1974
When: 02 Aug 12 09:33
The irony re the Chinese is that it makes it easier for their other doubles pair to win the gold after all the DSQs
By:
Kelly
When: 02 Aug 12 09:37
When both teams are trying to lose for strategic reasons , it is hardly match fixing .

Swimmers I suspect quite often do not swim full out in the heats  , I am sure occasionally to obtain a certain lane , so is that against the so-called Olympic ideal .  Likewise other sports .

Think the decision to ban the badminton players is ridiculous .  Officialdom which created the situation is more guilty of idiocy than the people on court . If the outcome of a match like this is irrelevant to the competition it should not be played , it should be declared a tie .  Pretty obvious . That other sports have the same stupid rules is irrelevant  , its just easier to not try in soccer than in badminton . Know we have to go back to the sixties for proven non trying / match fixing in these isles , Bronco and Peter etc , but lots of other dodgy results have been noticed in soccer but no players have been banned . Fines yes probably , although not interested enough in soccer to bother to find out , just a gut feeling from over the years .

But as usual the wrath of the organisers descends on the weakest link .  If they had been from the USA or Britain I doubt they would have had the same treatment.
By:
1stpost
When: 02 Aug 12 09:39
lets hope we now see all the football teams thrown out for not trying to win every match...but of course they're always trying....lets see all the crawling athletes chucked out in the elimination heats..."not fixing",well surely this plays into the hands of the finishers and if two people from the same country r in the same heat may be used as ploy to get them both through...its happening in all the competions to give themselves the best chance for a "medal"....if people dont like it change all the competions to a straight "knock out " at every stage.....these athletes hava trained bloody hard for years to get this far and in my view its bloody disgusting to be kicked out for doing your best to give yourselves the best chance...if u want to blame anyone blame the idiot officials responsible for the rules not the competitors...lock old coe and his chums up and throw away the key....end of
By:
Forest000
When: 02 Aug 12 09:58
Yes blame Coe because the badminton players cheated.

As ever, you have ranted and ranted without actually addressing any of the issues.   

The main issue being, that there is a MASSIVE difference between not trying your hardest and actually trying to lose.

To give an example, my team was in the final of the fa cup.  Now, it was such a big deal that nobody wanted to get injured so in games leading up, there were not so many hard tackles flying in etc and my team missed out on promotion.
This was accepted by the fans, the players will still trying, just being careful etc.
If however, my team had started to score own goals on purpose, the fans would have been mad and the team would have been in BIG trouble.

That is the case here.  It wasn't that the badminton players were not trying their hardest, but actually hitting the ball out/into the net on purpose in order to lose.
By:
NonShy..
When: 02 Aug 12 10:01
i agree organisation of the tournament was wrong but to ban them was right for being so dumb and doing it so blatantly

people paid good money for that and it was a sham
By:
Dark....Target
When: 02 Aug 12 10:05
Cry

Surely you people aren't denying that they FIXED the result of that match.

They are lucky they only got DQ'd.
By:
Kelly
When: 02 Aug 12 10:16
Dark Target , they did not fix the match .  They were both trying not to win which is different .  If you were betting on it it would have become the case that you were trying to identify which of the teams wanted to lose the most .

A story which has always gone the rounds concerned dog racing , where an owner ( via a bookie ) laid his own dog .  To his chagrin the dog won , someone owned the other 5 dogs and they had been "stopped" more than his .  Happens .
By:
undern
When: 02 Aug 12 10:27
Perhaps another example is British Triathlon selecting athletes which are 'Domestiques' for other athletes .....

These domestiques aren't the quickest triathletes that Britain has but have been selected purely to help someone else .... while it also goes against BTA charter that it is not a team sport ....
By:
MrBaboon
When: 02 Aug 12 10:52
I agree the badminton players should not be disqualified.

However, if teams are to be disqualified for non trying then I'd like to nominate the GB football team....1-1 with Senegal for ffs, the football is dull and boring most don't seem interested, the manger is failing to inspire his players.
By:
1stpost
When: 02 Aug 12 11:36
forest000....if u try harder to read i suggested "knock out"...solution o.k.....not blaming COE?...y the f NOT ...OF OF COURSE IT WASNT THE GREEDY BANKerS FAULT EITHER WAS IT....coes been on air spouting on about them...he really wants to look in the mirror and ask himself who's that pr*t...the rule is WIN THE GOLD
By:
xmoneyx
When: 02 Aug 12 13:39
japanese coach admits throwing football game---if olympics was a level playing field--japan would be thrown out.

dont hold your breath
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