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looks a serious contender, PB in the heats i think
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Women / 400m Individual Medley / Gold Medal Winner
Shiwen Ye Back 21183865143 28-Jul-12
20:19 29
Shiwen Ye Back 21183865143 28-Jul-12
20:19 29
The last 100 was unbelievable. Also, 1.01 smashed as well.
For all the world looked just like the Irish Swimmer in 96 in Atlanta and we all know what happened there as it turned out she got a life ban after for messing with drug tests. She has the very same physique as well.
US Swimmer a certainty to ask questions in the press conference
US Swimmer a certainty to ask questions in the press conference
Drug propelled - pumped up with some dodgy ****y stuff.
Every medal winner at this Games will be drug tested as a matter of course. So we shall see.
That last 100 was just unreal - never seen anything like that
It was just the way she completed destroyed a world class swimmer over a short period. It was like she just jumped in the pool with 100m to swim
Bask3tcase they don't all get caught you know. Otherwise nobody would do it.
Most who do get caught aren't caught for the drug they were taking but one they were using to mask it like diuretics. They never find out whta they were taking.
The Chinese woouldn't have sent a team over that were pre-testing positive. So I'd bet she will test negative.
Most who do get caught aren't caught for the drug they were taking but one they were using to mask it like diuretics. They never find out whta they were taking.
The Chinese woouldn't have sent a team over that were pre-testing positive. So I'd bet she will test negative.
Thorpe just said Ye swam last 100m last night 0.07 slower than Lochte did 
So what went wrong did her inexperience let her win by too much - it was obviously an abnormal performnce.
Problem they've got is if they can't find anything how is it explained.
Problem they've got is if they can't find anything how is it explained.
Ye's time in her final 100 was nearly a dead heat with Lochte's final 100.
How does a 16-year-old girl keep pace with a 27-year-old man on a night he is acclaimed as best male swimmer in the world?
How does a 16-year-old girl keep pace with a 27-year-old man on a night he is acclaimed as best male swimmer in the world?
There is NO physical way in the history of the human race, would a 16 year old female swimmer keep pace with the "acclaimed" best male swimmer, at the same distance. Absolute physical imposibility. Anyone care to play "devils advocate"?
The 16 year old swims again tonight
might swim faster than a shark tonight
might swim faster than a shark tonight
its possible, because most chinese women are men in tiny bodies.
Ye Shiwen's world record Olympic swim 'disturbing', says top US coach
http://www.guardian.co.uk Exclusive
• Chinese 16-year-old who swam faster than Ryan Lochte compared to East Germans
• John Leonard says gold medal time was 'not believable to many people'
Andy Bull at the Aquatics Centre guardian.co.uk, Monday 30 July 2012
The first major doping controversy of the London Olympics flared to life today after John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, described the gold medal-winning performance of 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen in the women's 400m individual medley as "unbelievable".
Leonard, who is also the executive director of the USA Swimming Coaches Association, described Ye's swim as "disturbing" and said that it "brings back a lot of awful memories" of Irish swimmer Michelle Smith's winning performance in the same event at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996. Smith, now Michelle de Bruin, was banned for four years in 1998 after testing positive for androstenedione.
Leonard is the first major figure in the swimming world to voice his concerns after Ye's world record swim shocked the sport. Ye won the 400m IM gold in a world record time of 4min 28.43sec. It was her final 100m of freestyle, in which she recorded a split time of 58.68sec, that aroused Leonard's suspicion. Over the last 50m she was quicker than Ryan Lochte, who won the men's 400m IM in the second-fastest time in history.
"We want to be very careful about calling it doping," Leonard said. "The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable', history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved. That last 100m was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers, for people who have been around a while. It was reminiscent of 400m individual medley by a young Irish woman in Atlanta."
Stephanie Rice, the Australian who won gold in both women's medley events in Beijing in 2008, described it as "insanely fast". Ariana Kukors, the 2009 world 200m medley champion from the USA , said it was "amazing" and "unbelievable". Ye also won the 200m medley at the World Championships in 2011, and qualified fastest for the semi-finals of that event in Monday morning's heats, in a time that was 1.61sec quicker than her nearest competitor.
Leonard said that Ye "looks like superwoman. Any time someone has looked like superwoman in the history of our sport they have later been found guilty of doping".
Ye was more than seven seconds faster in the Olympic 400m IM final than she had been in the World Championship equivalent last July. Leonard said that improvement was possible, but very hard to do. "But the final 100m was impossible. Flat out. If all her split times had been faster I don't think anybody would be calling it into question, because she is a good swimmer. But to swim three other splits at the rate that she did, which was quite ordinary for elite competition, and then unleash a historic anomaly, it is just not right."
Asked about the accusation that she was doping, Ye replied: "The Chinese team keep very firmly to the anti-doping policies, so there is absolutely no problem."
Leonard also questioned why Ye was not competing in the 200m or 400m freestyle, despite her phenomenal performance in that discipline in the medley, saying that was one of "a whole bunch of other questions" .
Leonard has been executive director of the WSCA since 1989. "I have been around swimming for four-and-a-half decades now," he said. "If you have been around swimming you know when something has been done that just isn't right. I have heard commentators saying 'well she is 16, and at that age amazing things happen'. Well yes, but not that amazing. I am sorry." Leonard said that the consensus in the coaching community he represents was that the swim was "unbelievable" and "I use that word in its precise meaning. At this point it is not believable to many people."
Leonard is one of the most respected coaches in the swimming world. He helped found the World Swimming Coaches Association in 1988 and received the USA Swimming Athletes' Appreciation Award in 1996, for his strong stance on anti-doping. He serves on several committees for USA Swimming,, has worked for US Swimming at six Olympic games, and has written four books on the sport.
"No coach that I spoke to yesterday could ever recall seeing anything remotely like that in a world level competition," Leonard continued. "Where someone could out-split one of the fastest male swimmers in the world, and beat the woman ahead of her by three-and-a-half body lengths. All those things, I think, legitimately call that swim into question."
Leonard also argued that it was fair to point to the positive tests incurred by Chinese athletes in the past. In 2009 five junior Chinese swimmers were banned after testing positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol at the 2008 national junior championships.
"You can't turn around and call it racism to say the Chinese have a doping history," Leonard said. "That is just history. That's fact. Does that make us suspicious? Of course. You have to question any outrageous performance, and that is an outrageous performance, unprecedented in any way, shape or form in the history of our sport. It by itself, regardless of whether she was Chinese, Lithuanian, Kenyan, or anything else, is impossible. Sorry."
Leonard rejected comparisons to Michael Phelps, who broke the 200m butterfly world record when he was just 15, back in 2001. "Phelps got consistently faster every year on a normal improvement curve. There has never been anything that you look at in any of Mr Phelps' swims that you look at and say 'well, that's impossible, that can't be done.'" He made a point of saying that he also had no qualms whatsoever about the performance of other Chinese swimmers, including the new Olympic 400m freestyle champion Sun Yang, 20. "He has a perfectly normal improvement curve, he is a dramatically spectacular athlete in our sport and I've no question about him at all. But a woman does not out-swim the fastest man in the world in the back quarter of a 400m IM that is otherwise quite ordinary. It just doesn't happen."
Blood samples taken at these Games will be kept for eight years. "I am sure that Fina and the doping authorities have taken every sample they can take," Leonard said. "The sample will be tested and available for testing for the next eight years. And over eight years, if there is something unusual going on in terms of genetic manipulation or something else, I would suspect over eight years' science will move fast enough to catch it. I have every faith that eventually if there is something there to be caught it will be caught. Right now all we can say is Olympic champion, world record holder, and watch out for history."
Arne Ljungqvist, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission and a veteran anti-doping official, said that as yet he had no particular suspicions around the Chinese swimmer. "Should I have my suspicions I keep them for myself, first of all, and take any action, if so, in order to find out whether something is wrong or not. You ask me specifically about this particular swimming. I say no, I have not personally any reason other than to applaud what has happened, until I have further facts, if so."
Ljungqvist added that he was unaware of which athletes had been tested in the build-up to the Games. "I simply don't know who has been pre-tested and not been pre-tested. We have a general, as you know, recommendation to both national Olympic committees and international federations to make as sure as they can that they don't send doped athletes here.
"We have a testing programme, as you know, that covers only the period from the opening of the village until the end of the Games, and any doping programme would probably be put in place long before then. So our mandate is pretty limited and it is therefore very much a matter of the international federations and the national Olympic committees to make sure that athletes are clean when they come here."
International Olympic Committee medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist says he has 'no suspicions' over Ye Shiwen. Link to this video http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/jul/30/ye-shiwen-swimming-china-o...
Mr Ljungqvist said that sudden advances in performance could bring athletes under closer scrutiny. "There are different reasons as to why we target certain athletes or a certain group of athletes," he said. "Should a sudden raise in performance or a surprise win be primarily suspected for being a cheat, sport is a danger for sure. But we are using many reasons for having target testing. Of course should a sudden rise in performance occur in a particular person, we could regard that possibly as a reason to do it, but I would rather say that it is tragic if that should be the primary reason for doing a testing."
http://www.guardian.co.uk Exclusive
• Chinese 16-year-old who swam faster than Ryan Lochte compared to East Germans
• John Leonard says gold medal time was 'not believable to many people'
Andy Bull at the Aquatics Centre guardian.co.uk, Monday 30 July 2012
The first major doping controversy of the London Olympics flared to life today after John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, described the gold medal-winning performance of 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen in the women's 400m individual medley as "unbelievable".
Leonard, who is also the executive director of the USA Swimming Coaches Association, described Ye's swim as "disturbing" and said that it "brings back a lot of awful memories" of Irish swimmer Michelle Smith's winning performance in the same event at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996. Smith, now Michelle de Bruin, was banned for four years in 1998 after testing positive for androstenedione.
Leonard is the first major figure in the swimming world to voice his concerns after Ye's world record swim shocked the sport. Ye won the 400m IM gold in a world record time of 4min 28.43sec. It was her final 100m of freestyle, in which she recorded a split time of 58.68sec, that aroused Leonard's suspicion. Over the last 50m she was quicker than Ryan Lochte, who won the men's 400m IM in the second-fastest time in history.
"We want to be very careful about calling it doping," Leonard said. "The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable', history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved. That last 100m was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers, for people who have been around a while. It was reminiscent of 400m individual medley by a young Irish woman in Atlanta."
Stephanie Rice, the Australian who won gold in both women's medley events in Beijing in 2008, described it as "insanely fast". Ariana Kukors, the 2009 world 200m medley champion from the USA , said it was "amazing" and "unbelievable". Ye also won the 200m medley at the World Championships in 2011, and qualified fastest for the semi-finals of that event in Monday morning's heats, in a time that was 1.61sec quicker than her nearest competitor.
Leonard said that Ye "looks like superwoman. Any time someone has looked like superwoman in the history of our sport they have later been found guilty of doping".
Ye was more than seven seconds faster in the Olympic 400m IM final than she had been in the World Championship equivalent last July. Leonard said that improvement was possible, but very hard to do. "But the final 100m was impossible. Flat out. If all her split times had been faster I don't think anybody would be calling it into question, because she is a good swimmer. But to swim three other splits at the rate that she did, which was quite ordinary for elite competition, and then unleash a historic anomaly, it is just not right."
Asked about the accusation that she was doping, Ye replied: "The Chinese team keep very firmly to the anti-doping policies, so there is absolutely no problem."
Leonard also questioned why Ye was not competing in the 200m or 400m freestyle, despite her phenomenal performance in that discipline in the medley, saying that was one of "a whole bunch of other questions" .
Leonard has been executive director of the WSCA since 1989. "I have been around swimming for four-and-a-half decades now," he said. "If you have been around swimming you know when something has been done that just isn't right. I have heard commentators saying 'well she is 16, and at that age amazing things happen'. Well yes, but not that amazing. I am sorry." Leonard said that the consensus in the coaching community he represents was that the swim was "unbelievable" and "I use that word in its precise meaning. At this point it is not believable to many people."
Leonard is one of the most respected coaches in the swimming world. He helped found the World Swimming Coaches Association in 1988 and received the USA Swimming Athletes' Appreciation Award in 1996, for his strong stance on anti-doping. He serves on several committees for USA Swimming,, has worked for US Swimming at six Olympic games, and has written four books on the sport.
"No coach that I spoke to yesterday could ever recall seeing anything remotely like that in a world level competition," Leonard continued. "Where someone could out-split one of the fastest male swimmers in the world, and beat the woman ahead of her by three-and-a-half body lengths. All those things, I think, legitimately call that swim into question."
Leonard also argued that it was fair to point to the positive tests incurred by Chinese athletes in the past. In 2009 five junior Chinese swimmers were banned after testing positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol at the 2008 national junior championships.
"You can't turn around and call it racism to say the Chinese have a doping history," Leonard said. "That is just history. That's fact. Does that make us suspicious? Of course. You have to question any outrageous performance, and that is an outrageous performance, unprecedented in any way, shape or form in the history of our sport. It by itself, regardless of whether she was Chinese, Lithuanian, Kenyan, or anything else, is impossible. Sorry."
Leonard rejected comparisons to Michael Phelps, who broke the 200m butterfly world record when he was just 15, back in 2001. "Phelps got consistently faster every year on a normal improvement curve. There has never been anything that you look at in any of Mr Phelps' swims that you look at and say 'well, that's impossible, that can't be done.'" He made a point of saying that he also had no qualms whatsoever about the performance of other Chinese swimmers, including the new Olympic 400m freestyle champion Sun Yang, 20. "He has a perfectly normal improvement curve, he is a dramatically spectacular athlete in our sport and I've no question about him at all. But a woman does not out-swim the fastest man in the world in the back quarter of a 400m IM that is otherwise quite ordinary. It just doesn't happen."
Blood samples taken at these Games will be kept for eight years. "I am sure that Fina and the doping authorities have taken every sample they can take," Leonard said. "The sample will be tested and available for testing for the next eight years. And over eight years, if there is something unusual going on in terms of genetic manipulation or something else, I would suspect over eight years' science will move fast enough to catch it. I have every faith that eventually if there is something there to be caught it will be caught. Right now all we can say is Olympic champion, world record holder, and watch out for history."
Arne Ljungqvist, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission and a veteran anti-doping official, said that as yet he had no particular suspicions around the Chinese swimmer. "Should I have my suspicions I keep them for myself, first of all, and take any action, if so, in order to find out whether something is wrong or not. You ask me specifically about this particular swimming. I say no, I have not personally any reason other than to applaud what has happened, until I have further facts, if so."
Ljungqvist added that he was unaware of which athletes had been tested in the build-up to the Games. "I simply don't know who has been pre-tested and not been pre-tested. We have a general, as you know, recommendation to both national Olympic committees and international federations to make as sure as they can that they don't send doped athletes here.
"We have a testing programme, as you know, that covers only the period from the opening of the village until the end of the Games, and any doping programme would probably be put in place long before then. So our mandate is pretty limited and it is therefore very much a matter of the international federations and the national Olympic committees to make sure that athletes are clean when they come here."
International Olympic Committee medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist says he has 'no suspicions' over Ye Shiwen. Link to this video http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/jul/30/ye-shiwen-swimming-china-o...
Mr Ljungqvist said that sudden advances in performance could bring athletes under closer scrutiny. "There are different reasons as to why we target certain athletes or a certain group of athletes," he said. "Should a sudden raise in performance or a surprise win be primarily suspected for being a cheat, sport is a danger for sure. But we are using many reasons for having target testing. Of course should a sudden rise in performance occur in a particular person, we could regard that possibly as a reason to do it, but I would rather say that it is tragic if that should be the primary reason for doing a testing."
trust me if a chinese athlete was caught doping she would get beheaded.
The unbelievable Shiwen Ye is about to swim in a few minutes
guys i accidently bet on phelps to win that last race thinking it was the final, turns out he won the semi
now i have money riding on the final but i want to cash out but the market wont let me do that
... can i ask betfair to just refund me my stake as i dont want that bet to go ahead.
now i have money riding on the final but i want to cash out but the market wont let me do that
... can i ask betfair to just refund me my stake as i dont want that bet to go ahead.
So drugs are so powerful, they can get a 16yr old girl to swim faster than the best male swimmer in that same event?
Nobel Prize for that scientist i had say. Up there with finding the Higgs boson!
Nobel Prize for that scientist i had say. Up there with finding the Higgs boson!
Managed to back her with JoeCorals at 3/1 to win the 200 I.M. after she won the 400 I.M.
Her two swims today (2:08.90 & 2:08.39) have put her under even more scrutiny. In terms of the gold, only the dope tester can floor her chances now.
She swam 2:08.90 in winning the WC 2011 and 2:09.37 in Asian games 2010 (both in China), so there is evidence of an upward curve.
I hope she's clean, but it's natural to have doubts. A pretty bold statement from John Leonard though.
According to her Olympic page, she started swimming after her kindergarten teacher noticed she had large hands.
Her two swims today (2:08.90 & 2:08.39) have put her under even more scrutiny. In terms of the gold, only the dope tester can floor her chances now.
She swam 2:08.90 in winning the WC 2011 and 2:09.37 in Asian games 2010 (both in China), so there is evidence of an upward curve.
I hope she's clean, but it's natural to have doubts. A pretty bold statement from John Leonard though.
According to her Olympic page, she started swimming after her kindergarten teacher noticed she had large hands.
If she can do 100m freestyle that fast after 300m of an IM, why on earth wasn't she entered for any of the freestyle events?
ian thorpe just said he dropped 5 seconds between aged 15,and 16 , and then said were applauding the plymouth girl , and ridiculing this girl.
how is it possible that a 16 year old can come from nowhere and swim 2-3 seconds quicker than anyone in the world
I think I agree with the guy who says it is "unbelievable"
I think I agree with the guy who says it is "unbelievable"
id like to know how linford was able to run the 100m faster well into his 30s than in his prime, how that christine seems to be fast for the olympics and rubbish in between, lets be honest drugs is rife in sport,
Charlton...Flo Jo won't be giving any medals back she bit the dust a good few years ago !
World Anti-Doping Agency have passed her as clean.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19062639
Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is not a drug cheat, the British Olympic Association's chairman has said, after a US coach cast doubt on her world record-breaking swim.
Lord Colin Moynihan said Ye, 16, had passed drug tests, was "clean" and deserved recognition for her talent.
Ye smashed her personal best by at least five seconds in the 400m Medley.
Senior US coach John Leonard said her performance was disturbing and hinted that doping could have been involved.
Mr Leonard, executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, said the performance reminded him of the East German women swimmers in the 1980s, who were doping on a systematic basis.
"History in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, unbelievable, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved," he told the UK's Guardian newspaper.
But Ye, who will compete later in the 200m Medley final, has strongly defended herself and denied that she would ever use banned substances.
China's anti-doping chief has said that Chinese athletes have undergone nearly 100 drugs tests since arriving in London, and that not a single Chinese athlete had tested positive.
Former swimmers, other Olympic champions and experts have all given their support to Ye.
Lord Moynihan told a news conference that the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) was "on top of the game".
"She's been through Wada's programme and she's clean. That's the end of the story. Ye Shiwen deserves recognition for her talent," he said.
International Olympic Committee officials also insisted that if there were any drugs cheats, they would be caught.
Former British Olympic champion Adrian Moorhouse said the rumours appeared to be a case of sour grapes.
"The Chinese might have just found this really talented kid, who can work really hard, has the perfect shape and can cope with all the pressure thrown at her," he told the BBC.
Suspicions over Ye's performance were heightened when it was pointed out that in the final 50m of her race she swam faster than the winner of the men's race, Ryan Lochte.
However, her world-record time was still 23 seconds slower than Lochte's winning time, and several of Lochte's competitors were faster than her over the final 50m.
Chinese officials also pointed out that Lochte was easing to the finish, comfortably in the lead, whereas Ye had to battle to the end to take first place.
China's swimming team was repeatedly hit by doping scandals in the 1990s.
Seven swimmers tested positive for drugs in the 1994 Asian Games, and four years later four Chinese swimmers failed pre-tournament drug tests before the World Championships in Australia.
Chinese officials insist they have cleaned up the sport, but earlier this year another 16-year-old swimming prodigy, Li Zhesi, failed a drug test.
All medal winners at the Olympics are drug tested. In addition, any athlete whose performance is far better than anything they have achieved before can be targeted for extra tests
Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is not a drug cheat, the British Olympic Association's chairman has said, after a US coach cast doubt on her world record-breaking swim.
Lord Colin Moynihan said Ye, 16, had passed drug tests, was "clean" and deserved recognition for her talent.
Ye smashed her personal best by at least five seconds in the 400m Medley.
Senior US coach John Leonard said her performance was disturbing and hinted that doping could have been involved.
Mr Leonard, executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, said the performance reminded him of the East German women swimmers in the 1980s, who were doping on a systematic basis.
"History in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, unbelievable, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved," he told the UK's Guardian newspaper.
But Ye, who will compete later in the 200m Medley final, has strongly defended herself and denied that she would ever use banned substances.
China's anti-doping chief has said that Chinese athletes have undergone nearly 100 drugs tests since arriving in London, and that not a single Chinese athlete had tested positive.
Former swimmers, other Olympic champions and experts have all given their support to Ye.
Lord Moynihan told a news conference that the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) was "on top of the game".
"She's been through Wada's programme and she's clean. That's the end of the story. Ye Shiwen deserves recognition for her talent," he said.
International Olympic Committee officials also insisted that if there were any drugs cheats, they would be caught.
Former British Olympic champion Adrian Moorhouse said the rumours appeared to be a case of sour grapes.
"The Chinese might have just found this really talented kid, who can work really hard, has the perfect shape and can cope with all the pressure thrown at her," he told the BBC.
Suspicions over Ye's performance were heightened when it was pointed out that in the final 50m of her race she swam faster than the winner of the men's race, Ryan Lochte.
However, her world-record time was still 23 seconds slower than Lochte's winning time, and several of Lochte's competitors were faster than her over the final 50m.
Chinese officials also pointed out that Lochte was easing to the finish, comfortably in the lead, whereas Ye had to battle to the end to take first place.
China's swimming team was repeatedly hit by doping scandals in the 1990s.
Seven swimmers tested positive for drugs in the 1994 Asian Games, and four years later four Chinese swimmers failed pre-tournament drug tests before the World Championships in Australia.
Chinese officials insist they have cleaned up the sport, but earlier this year another 16-year-old swimming prodigy, Li Zhesi, failed a drug test.
All medal winners at the Olympics are drug tested. In addition, any athlete whose performance is far better than anything they have achieved before can be targeted for extra tests
Helissio 30 Jul 12 21:25
So drugs are so powerful, they can get a 16yr old girl to swim faster than the best male swimmer in that same event?
She didn't swim faster than the best male swimmer, she was 23 seconds behind him.
And yes drugs are extremely powerful
So drugs are so powerful, they can get a 16yr old girl to swim faster than the best male swimmer in that same event?
She didn't swim faster than the best male swimmer, she was 23 seconds behind him.
And yes drugs are extremely powerful
Going again in the shorter version in about 5mins
Odds against to break the WR?
Odds against to break the WR?
YESSSSSSSSSS I HAD COUTS at evens w/o the chinese swimmer.
boom
boom
I just want to know why she isn't in any freestyle events if she can do that?
d13phe 31 Jul 12 09:17
how is it possible that a 16 year old can come from nowhere and swim 2-3 seconds quicker than anyone in the world
She hasn't come from nowhere though, she won the Asian games in 2010 and the world championships in 2011
how is it possible that a 16 year old can come from nowhere and swim 2-3 seconds quicker than anyone in the world
She hasn't come from nowhere though, she won the Asian games in 2010 and the world championships in 2011
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