YE womens 400 IM

Beisel will smash her

Some kind of finish there.

Come in for a drugs test thanks luv

The last 100 was unbelievable. Also, 1.01 smashed as well.

For all the world looked just like the Irish Swimmer in 96 in Atlanta and we all know what happened there as it turned out she got a life ban after for messing with drug tests. She has the very same physique as well.

US Swimmer a certainty to ask questions in the press conference

Just posted same. Well dodge.

Experience over hate Horangi.

Every medal winner at this Games will be drug tested as a matter of course. So we shall see.

It was just the way she completed destroyed a world class swimmer over a short period. It was like she just jumped in the pool with 100m to swim

New PB by 5 seconds was it? Hmmmm

no medals GB haha

the last 50m was quicker then lochte.

So what went wrong did her inexperience let her win by too much - it was obviously an abnormal performnce.

Problem they've got is if they can't find anything how is it explained.

There is NO physical way in the history of the human race, would a 16 year old female swimmer keep pace with the "acclaimed" best male swimmer, at the same distance. Absolute physical imposibility. Anyone care to play "devils advocate"?

The 16 year old swims again tonight

might swim faster than a shark tonight

Ye Shiwen's world record Olympic swim 'disturbing', says top US coach

http://www.guardian.co.uk Exclusive


• Chinese 16-year-old who swam faster than Ryan Lochte compared to East Germans
• John Leonard says gold medal time was 'not believable to many people'

Andy Bull at the Aquatics Centre guardian.co.uk, Monday 30 July 2012


The first major doping controversy of the London Olympics flared to life today after John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, described the gold medal-winning performance of 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen in the women's 400m individual medley as "unbelievable".

Leonard, who is also the executive director of the USA Swimming Coaches Association, described Ye's swim as "disturbing" and said that it "brings back a lot of awful memories" of Irish swimmer Michelle Smith's winning performance in the same event at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996. Smith, now Michelle de Bruin, was banned for four years in 1998 after testing positive for androstenedione.

Leonard is the first major figure in the swimming world to voice his concerns after Ye's world record swim shocked the sport. Ye won the 400m IM gold in a world record time of 4min 28.43sec. It was her final 100m of freestyle, in which she recorded a split time of 58.68sec, that aroused Leonard's suspicion. Over the last 50m she was quicker than Ryan Lochte, who won the men's 400m IM in the second-fastest time in history.

"We want to be very careful about calling it doping," Leonard said. "The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable', history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved. That last 100m was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers, for people who have been around a while. It was reminiscent of 400m individual medley by a young Irish woman in Atlanta."

Stephanie Rice, the Australian who won gold in both women's medley events in Beijing in 2008, described it as "insanely fast". Ariana Kukors, the 2009 world 200m medley champion from the USA , said it was "amazing" and "unbelievable". Ye also won the 200m medley at the World Championships in 2011, and qualified fastest for the semi-finals of that event in Monday morning's heats, in a time that was 1.61sec quicker than her nearest competitor.

Leonard said that Ye "looks like superwoman. Any time someone has looked like superwoman in the history of our sport they have later been found guilty of doping".

Ye was more than seven seconds faster in the Olympic 400m IM final than she had been in the World Championship equivalent last July. Leonard said that improvement was possible, but very hard to do. "But the final 100m was impossible. Flat out. If all her split times had been faster I don't think anybody would be calling it into question, because she is a good swimmer. But to swim three other splits at the rate that she did, which was quite ordinary for elite competition, and then unleash a historic anomaly, it is just not right."

Asked about the accusation that she was doping, Ye replied: "The Chinese team keep very firmly to the anti-doping policies, so there is absolutely no problem."

Leonard also questioned why Ye was not competing in the 200m or 400m freestyle, despite her phenomenal performance in that discipline in the medley, saying that was one of "a whole bunch of other questions" .

Leonard has been executive director of the WSCA since 1989. "I have been around swimming for four-and-a-half decades now," he said. "If you have been around swimming you know when something has been done that just isn't right. I have heard commentators saying 'well she is 16, and at that age amazing things happen'. Well yes, but not that amazing. I am sorry." Leonard said that the consensus in the coaching community he represents was that the swim was "unbelievable" and "I use that word in its precise meaning. At this point it is not believable to many people."

Leonard is one of the most respected coaches in the swimming world. He helped found the World Swimming Coaches Association in 1988 and received the USA Swimming Athletes' Appreciation Award in 1996, for his strong stance on anti-doping. He serves on several committees for USA Swimming,, has worked for US Swimming at six Olympic games, and has written four books on the sport.

"No coach that I spoke to yesterday could ever recall seeing anything remotely like that in a world level competition," Leonard continued. "Where someone could out-split one of the fastest male swimmers in the world, and beat the woman ahead of her by three-and-a-half body lengths. All those things, I think, legitimately call that swim into question."

Leonard also argued that it was fair to point to the positive tests incurred by Chinese athletes in the past. In 2009 five junior Chinese swimmers were banned after testing positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol at the 2008 national junior championships.

"You can't turn around and call it racism to say the Chinese have a doping history," Leonard said. "That is just history. That's fact. Does that make us suspicious? Of course. You have to question any outrageous performance, and that is an outrageous performance, unprecedented in any way, shape or form in the history of our sport. It by itself, regardless of whether she was Chinese, Lithuanian, Kenyan, or anything else, is impossible. Sorry."

Leonard rejected comparisons to Michael Phelps, who broke the 200m butterfly world record when he was just 15, back in 2001. "Phelps got consistently faster every year on a normal improvement curve. There has never been anything that you look at in any of Mr Phelps' swims that you look at and say 'well, that's impossible, that can't be done.'" He made a point of saying that he also had no qualms whatsoever about the performance of other Chinese swimmers, including the new Olympic 400m freestyle champion Sun Yang, 20. "He has a perfectly normal improvement curve, he is a dramatically spectacular athlete in our sport and I've no question about him at all. But a woman does not out-swim the fastest man in the world in the back quarter of a 400m IM that is otherwise quite ordinary. It just doesn't happen."

Blood samples taken at these Games will be kept for eight years. "I am sure that Fina and the doping authorities have taken every sample they can take," Leonard said. "The sample will be tested and available for testing for the next eight years. And over eight years, if there is something unusual going on in terms of genetic manipulation or something else, I would suspect over eight years' science will move fast enough to catch it. I have every faith that eventually if there is something there to be caught it will be caught. Right now all we can say is Olympic champion, world record holder, and watch out for history."

Arne Ljungqvist, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission and a veteran anti-doping official, said that as yet he had no particular suspicions around the Chinese swimmer. "Should I have my suspicions I keep them for myself, first of all, and take any action, if so, in order to find out whether something is wrong or not. You ask me specifically about this particular swimming. I say no, I have not personally any reason other than to applaud what has happened, until I have further facts, if so."

Ljungqvist added that he was unaware of which athletes had been tested in the build-up to the Games. "I simply don't know who has been pre-tested and not been pre-tested. We have a general, as you know, recommendation to both national Olympic committees and international federations to make as sure as they can that they don't send doped athletes here.

"We have a testing programme, as you know, that covers only the period from the opening of the village until the end of the Games, and any doping programme would probably be put in place long before then. So our mandate is pretty limited and it is therefore very much a matter of the international federations and the national Olympic committees to make sure that athletes are clean when they come here."


International Olympic Committee medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist says he has 'no suspicions' over Ye Shiwen. Link to this video http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/jul/30/ye-shiwen-swimming-china-olympics-video
Mr Ljungqvist said that sudden advances in performance could bring athletes under closer scrutiny. "There are different reasons as to why we target certain athletes or a certain group of athletes," he said. "Should a sudden raise in performance or a surprise win be primarily suspected for being a cheat, sport is a danger for sure. But we are using many reasons for having target testing. Of course should a sudden rise in performance occur in a particular person, we could regard that possibly as a reason to do it, but I would rather say that it is tragic if that should be the primary reason for doing a testing."

1.1 worth laying for the drug test?

guys i accidently bet on phelps to win that last race thinking it was the final, turns out he won the semi

now i have money riding on the final but i want to cash out but the market wont let me do that

... can i ask betfair to just refund me my stake as i dont want that bet to go ahead.

So drugs are so powerful, they can get a 16yr old girl to swim faster than the best male swimmer in that same event?

Nobel Prize for that scientist i had say. Up there with finding the Higgs boson!

And an Adam's apple