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thread about it already but in the absence of a poll function..

Do you think this sentence is justified?

My answer is no
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Report casemoney June 15, 2020 1:00 PM BST
Maybe he has a history of Home invasions , Pishing through peoples letter boxes ..
Report Baphornet June 15, 2020 1:00 PM BST
well he might be on license, last chance saloon etc. A history of not paying fines & landing in pokey anyway? Serving a suspended sentence, lots of reasons why they could jail him. Of course this could also be his 1st offence. I'd like to know myself
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 15, 2020 1:00 PM BST
Don't see any point in any 2 week sentence meself.

Fine him, get him doing some community service, maybe cleaning up his mess.
Report Baphornet June 15, 2020 1:07 PM BST
my good lady has just informed me that he could have received 6 months. This would suggest his rap sheet is not that bad
Report Emitdeb June 15, 2020 1:08 PM BST
I have a family member.. Bash a total innocent on a train. Bash his living girlfriend, assault the arresting policeman.. walk into any shop take as much booze as you can carry (dont pay obv)

Gets a suspended sentence and a new flat. Happy days.
Report macarony June 15, 2020 1:08 PM BST
No and it doesn't show British justice in good light plus millions of people will saying one rule of one one rule for another and thats a dangerous thing
Report saddo June 15, 2020 1:24 PM BST
Two years for bacon throwing in the UK aaronh. The grey hoodie guy won't get that even if they bother looking for him. Punish some people, let others go free.
Report HGS June 15, 2020 2:52 PM BST
On its  own, a custodial sentence is not justified imo. Fine would have sufficed.
Report Emitdeb June 15, 2020 3:09 PM BST
The boy has no criminal record.. ConfusedConfused CrazyCrazy
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 3:21 PM BST
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-15/andrew-banks-pleads-guilty-after-pictured-urinating-next-to-pc-keith-palmer-memorial/
Banks, a Tottenham Hotspur fan, was said to have mental health problems, the court heard. Explains a few things.

A total of 113 people were arrested and the protest was condemned by Boris Johnson as “racist thuggery” and described as “mindless hooliganism” by police.
Report HGS June 15, 2020 3:24 PM BST
No criminal record. This seems to be a case of making an example.
Report Baphornet June 15, 2020 3:25 PM BST
if that's the case i hope he's appealed
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 3:27 PM BST
If it had been a BLM protester doing exactly the same thing I can't help but think that most of the comments above would have been oh so different.
Report Emitdeb June 15, 2020 3:34 PM BST
Seems to me black guys has have a bit of a pass atm... imo.
Report HGS June 15, 2020 3:34 PM BST
Not at all Charlie. NOBODY, especially with no criminal record should be receiving a jail sentence for this.
Report Emitdeb June 15, 2020 3:38 PM BST
Seems to me black guys have a bit of a pass atm... imo.

slightly more coherent.. Blush
Report Injera June 15, 2020 3:40 PM BST
https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/06/GettyImages-1219636039.jpg

Will these fine young gentlemen hand themselves in? I presume the media are publicly shaming them?
Report doridoru June 15, 2020 3:40 PM BST
NO DISGUSTING JOKE...KHAN LABOUR JUSTICE
Report HGS June 15, 2020 3:44 PM BST
Also after handing himself in. Just cannot understand this.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 3:45 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 3:34PM, HGS wrote:


Not at all Charlie. NOBODY, especially with no criminal record should be receiving a jail sentence for this.


I'll accept your stance but just look at any of the numerous posts about BLM and you'll find that the above posters (it's normally the same ones) have an entirely different attitude then.

Report Injera June 15, 2020 3:46 PM BST
Boris calling it ‘racist thuggery’ confirms what a liberal ignorant buffoon he is.

Where was the racism? Anger at the Met for not doing their job and fury at scum who would deface Churchill and the Cenotaph.

Like all lefties, Boris brings skin colour into it to tarnish patriots who give a damn.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 3:47 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 3:40PM, doridoru wrote:


NO DISGUSTING JOKE...KHAN LABOUR JUSTICE


Why do you think it is "KHAN LABOUR JUSTICE"?

Report Ramruma June 15, 2020 3:52 PM BST
It is the same rationale as the London riots a couple of years back saw people getting six months for looting bottles of water. It's not that he watered a monument but that he was there as part of a mass protest.

Pink Floyd's Ian Gilmour's son got more than a year from swinging from the Cenotaph iirc.
Report the.mad.dog.man June 15, 2020 3:52 PM BST
14 days a disgrace
Report BennyBinion1 June 15, 2020 4:00 PM BST
He was drunk and had a pee against some railings with no idea wots beside him! The whole world can see the photo.

He got 14 days in prison!!!!

We are all doomed....

Well, a certain race is
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 4:06 PM BST
have inerja and casemoney found a body yet
Report Ramruma June 15, 2020 4:09 PM BST
He's lucky they did not do him for indecent exposure as well to make him officially a nonce.
Report Ramruma June 15, 2020 4:10 PM BST
To be clear -- I think the sentence is well OTT but it is the same as the kids nicking water.
Report Whisperingdeath June 15, 2020 4:10 PM BST
I thought he was there to protect the statues?

Ends up going to jail. It is always nice when the story has a happy ending. HoorooWink
Report Ramruma June 15, 2020 4:34 PM BST
He said he was there to protect the statues but had no idea which statues he was protecting.
Report moonaxed June 15, 2020 5:10 PM BST
The true crime here is the lack of public toilets in London. One of the reasons i mpved out
Report snowynoon June 15, 2020 5:22 PM BST
when you compare the girl this week who stabbed a girl in the back twice after beating her up ,and got no jail time ,its an extremely harsh sentence ,he must have grounds for appeal especially as there are no public toilets open or cafes,pubs to use facilities.Not defending the guy but a community service order or fine would suffice.
Report the.mad.dog.man June 15, 2020 5:25 PM BST
agree
Report HGS June 15, 2020 5:28 PM BST
He can appeal. Won't be seen to as quick as his hearing. Be out in a week, and will get a date for it...in January!
Report Cider June 15, 2020 5:36 PM BST
Clearly not guilty of what he was charged with, there's photographic evidence! How long should someone get for being a drunken idiot. Not many people in their 20s have not done something regrettable under the influence of alcohol.
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 5:48 PM BST
HE gets 14 days and a bloke murders someone and doesn't even get amention in media
bloke gets his throat slashed doesn't bother with hospital puts a bit of tape on it,and jogs on,

or casemoney.injera could be telling porkies ,although inerja was there alongside the other 6,999
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:22 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 5:36PM, Cider wrote:


Clearly not guilty of what he was charged with, there's photographic evidence! How long should someone get for being a drunken idiot. Not many people in their 20s have not done something regrettable under the influence of alcohol.


https://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/outraging-public-decency/
Outraging public decency

What constitutes outraging public decency?
Public decency is a level of behaviour which is generally acceptable to the public and is not obscene, disgusting or shocking for the observers.

Outraging public decency is an indictable common law offence which is punishable by unlimited imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. To be guilty of this offence:

you must carry out an act which is lewd, obscene or of disgusting character, which outrages minimum standards of public decency as assessed by the jury;
the act must take place in a public place, or a place which is accessible to, or within view of, the public;
the act must take place in the actual presence of two or more persons who are capable of seeing it – it is irrelevant whether these people actually saw the act or were outraged by it.


Guilty as charged.

Report the.mad.dog.man June 15, 2020 6:39 PM BST
your a right charlie you was named well lol
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:42 PM BST
Maybe I am. But you certainly should have added rabid after mad.
Report nineteen points June 15, 2020 6:42 PM BST
had he been a promising footballer he might of got off
Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:44 PM BST
lewd, obscene or of disgusting character

Waving your willy in front of people is lewd. Peeing in a corner where nothing is visible is most certainly not. Clearly it's undesirable but happens in most towns on a Friday and Saturday as well as after football matches and horse race meetings. In ordinary times. They don't get two weeks bird.
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 6:44 PM BST
have casemoney and inerja got the name of the man murdered at Saturdays troubles yet
Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:46 PM BST
lewd

crude and offensive in a sexual way.
Report the.mad.dog.man June 15, 2020 6:47 PM BST
if he were black no way 14 days
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:47 PM BST
Whacking your chopper out, peeing next to a memorial and letting it run over your own trainers is pretty disgusting.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:49 PM BST
Your name should be the.mad.rabid.dog.mind.reading.man
Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:49 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 6:47PM, Charlie wrote:


Whacking your chopper out, peeing next to a memorial and letting it run over your own trainers is pretty disgusting.


I agree, doesn't make it outraging public decency. As I write it happens hundreds of times a week across the country.

Report BennyBinion1 June 15, 2020 6:50 PM BST
If he stabbed the queen, and was black, he wouldn't get 14 days.....
Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:50 PM BST
It's just a trophy prosecution.
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 6:51 PM BST
any update on casemoney/inerja,s murdered pal yet
Report BennyBinion1 June 15, 2020 6:51 PM BST
Worrying times.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:52 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 6:49PM, Cider wrote:


Jun 15, 2020 --  6:47PM, Charlie wrote:Whacking your chopper out, peeing next to a memorial and letting it run over your own trainers is pretty disgusting.I agree, doesn't make it outraging public decency. As I write it happens hundreds of times a week across the country.


Wrong read the definition I gave above. Whether it does or doesn't happen hundreds of times a week across the country is irrelevant and is a shot at deflection.

Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:53 PM BST
Have you not heard of the legal concept of precedent. Irrelevant Laugh
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:54 PM BST
I have and why the smiley face?
Report the.mad.dog.man June 15, 2020 6:54 PM BST
if he had pissed over charlie  he would have got 14 days in spain best hotel lol
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 6:54 PM BST
wonder how long the black lad will get for murdering inerja/casemoney,s pal,and how long will the lad who slashed their mate,s throat get
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:55 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 6:54PM, the.mad.dog.man wrote:


if he had pissed over charlie

Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:56 PM BST
Sorry you double spacing tw@t.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:56 PM BST
Laughing at your hopeless argument. Literally the same thing happening thousands of times previously with a different legal outcome is irrelevant Laugh
Report Cider June 15, 2020 6:58 PM BST
Of course the key element is whether he was guilty of targeting the memorial specifically. No sane person would agree that he was.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 6:59 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 6:53PM, Cider wrote:


Have you not heard of the legal concept of precedent. Irrelevant


So what exactly are you saying? Try and be clear, I think you will find my posts are.

Report Shrewd_dude June 15, 2020 7:01 PM BST
Not much point in arguing over what he was convicted of when he pled guilty to it.
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 7:02 PM BST
heard a rumour they've got someone for inerja,s/casemoney murder,just need a body now
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:04 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 6:49PM, Cider wrote:


Jun 15, 2020 --  6:47PM, Charlie wrote:Whacking your chopper out, peeing next to a memorial and letting it run over your own trainers is pretty disgusting.I agree, doesn't make it outraging public decency. As I write it happens hundreds of times a week across the country.


Ffs you have just agreed it was disgusting. The definition says you must carry out an act which is lewd, obscene or of disgusting character

You seem to be arguing against yourself.

Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:05 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 7:01PM, Shrewd_dude wrote:


Not much point in arguing over what he was convicted of when he pled guilty to it.


In this situation with the bollocking off his old man he would have pled guilty to whatever was put in front of him I expect. It would be curious to see what legal assistance he received, if any.

Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:07 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 6:58PM, Cider wrote:


Of course the key element is whether he was guilty of targeting the memorial specifically. No sane person would agree that he was.


So was he acting in a disgusting manner or not?

Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:09 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 7:04PM, Charlie wrote:


Jun 15, 2020 --  6:49PM, Cider wrote:Jun 15, 2020 --  6:47PM, Charlie wrote:Whacking your chopper out, peeing next to a memorial and letting it run over your own trainers is pretty disgusting.I agree, doesn't make it outraging public decency. As I write it happens hundreds of times a week across the country.Ffs you have just agreed it was disgusting. The definition says you must carry out an act which is lewd, obscene or of disgusting characterYou seem to be arguing against yourself.


Pretty disgusting = disgusting character. In Charlie's world Laugh

You can do something pretty disgusting under the influence of alcohol. It happens a lot. If this has set a new legal precedent that anyone who pees in public gets 14 days then you may be correct.

Report Shrewd_dude June 15, 2020 7:10 PM BST

In this situation with the bollocking off his old man he would have pled guilty to whatever was put in front of him I expect. It would be curious to see what legal assistance he received, if any.


He's a grown man and presumably had access to the court duty solicitor.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:11 PM BST
The point stands. I don't think pleading not guilty would have elevated his reputation.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:12 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 7:09PM, Cider wrote:


Jun 15, 2020 --  7:04PM, Charlie wrote:Jun 15, 2020 --  6:49PM, Cider wrote:Jun 15, 2020 --  6:47PM, Charlie wrote:Whacking your chopper out, peeing next to a memorial and letting it run over your own trainers is pretty disgusting.I agree, doesn't make it outraging public decency. As I write it happens hundreds of times a week across the country.Ffs you have just agreed it was disgusting. The definition says you must carry out an act which is lewd, obscene or of disgusting characterYou seem to be arguing against yourself.Pretty disgusting = disgusting character. In Charlie's world You can do something pretty disgusting under the influence of alcohol. It happens a lot. If this has set a new legal precedent that anyone who pees in public gets 14 days then you may be correct.


Do you have any idea of how many people per year are charged with outraging public decency? Do you know how many of those have been charged with pissing next to a memorial or pissing in the street? You seem to imply that both of those are zero with your setting a precedent remark.

Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 7:14 PM BST
wonder if the dad of the lad all over social media/newspapers doing monkey chants and monkey impersonation will out him
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:14 PM BST
If you are arguing by pretty disgusting you didn't mean disgusting then I don't believe you.
Report Shrewd_dude June 15, 2020 7:15 PM BST
The point stands. I don't think pleading not guilty would have elevated his reputation.

It doesn't really. You could say that about literally every case where anyone pleads guilty.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:16 PM BST
What examples are there?
A famous example is that of the artist Rick Gibson, who exhibited a pair of earrings made from freeze-dried human foetuses and the Young Unkowns Gallery in London.

The Metropolitan Police seized the earrings on 3 December 1987, and the following April the Crown Prosecution Service charged Gibson and Peter Sylveire, the gallery owner, with exhibiting a public nuisance and outraging public decency.

It was the first time the public decency charge was used in more than 80 years.

Gibson and Sylveire were trialled at the Old Bailey beginning on 30 January 1989 and they were found guilty of outraging public decency.

They were fined £500 and £300 respectively and failed in their appeal.

That sentencing has contributed to resurrecting the offence.

In September 2017, a couple were found guilty of outraging public decency after they brazenly romped in a pizza shop in front of staff.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:18 PM BST

Jun 15, 2020 -- 7:15PM, Shrewd_dude wrote:


The point stands. I don't think pleading not guilty would have elevated his reputation.It doesn't really. You could say that about literally every case where anyone pleads guilty.


How many times has the evidence been broadcast worldwide.

Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:18 PM BST
So would you care to answer my questions? I'm getting bored of you again.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:19 PM BST
Bored of me Laugh If you say jump I say how high. Not. Look it up for yourself.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:21 PM BST
I'm sure that in your own mind you do. I know the answers you don't.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:22 PM BST
Perhaps you can provide evidence of someone getting 14 days jail for taking a leak in public. Before this chap.
Report Charlie June 15, 2020 7:22 PM BST
As I said I'm bored with you and your obfuscation. I'm still around and will read and reply if you say anything sensible which is highly unlikely.
Report Shrewd_dude June 15, 2020 7:23 PM BST

How many times has the evidence been broadcast worldwide.


That's not really relevant. I agree the sentence is harsh and wouldn't be surprised if it was appealed but as it stands the two legally qualified solicitors presumably agree that the charge was appropriate and so does the person who committed the act.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:25 PM BST
Of course it's relevant. Do you think if it hadn't been pictured and only a copper saw it in passing he would be getting 14 days jail?
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:26 PM BST
This is about the framing of the crime rather than the crime itself.
Report the.mad.dog.man June 15, 2020 7:28 PM BST
what about pop concerts how many get done for pissing all over the place charlie boyLaugh
Report Shrewd_dude June 15, 2020 7:32 PM BST
Of course it's relevant. Do you think if it hadn't been pictured and only a copper saw it in passing he would be getting 14 days jail?

No I don't. But your clearly trying to make a completely different point now. The fact that it was broadcast round the world is irrelevant to your suggestion that he would have just plead to whatever they put in front of him.
Report Cider June 15, 2020 7:35 PM BST
I totally disagree. He already handed himself in, so he was prepared to plead guilty.
Report Injera June 15, 2020 7:48 PM BST
There is an irony of course that the media and the judicial activist judge fail to see.

PC Palmer was killed because this country has taken a knee for the spread of Islam. Attacks therefore became inevitable. The people who refuse to let this country die are the ones labelled far right racists. The very people who have been labelled racist for challenging Islam.

Here are some ‘hooligans’ that were there on Saturday .....

https://i.postimg.cc/7LhPrH4h/paras.jpg

And no, there were no toilets open. I’ll say no more.
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2020 7:51 PM BST
what you worried about someone have a pish when you witnessed an unreported murder and a throat slashing
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 15, 2020 7:54 PM BST
If only a copper seen it then its a different charge.
Report potlis June 15, 2020 8:16 PM BST
10 of Thousands visited our Coastal town over the past few weeks, almost all of them pissed along the promenade, they had no choice all the toilets were shut, and I’m not talking about just the guys, chalet owners have been complaining about the stink in their huts because of people pissing up the side of them.

Perhaps that’s why the Government released Thousands of real criminals recently, to make room for those caught taking a piss.

Doubt there’s a copper in the Country who hasn’t done the same when desperate, I’d take short odds that the magistrate that sentenced the guy has done the same sometime in his life.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 15, 2020 8:35 PM BST
Yet only the one photographed turned himself in.
Report dpm June 16, 2020 12:22 PM BST
Has the black kid who was setting fire to the union flag on the cenotaph been arrested and sentenced, his face was clear to see, or cant we talk about that ?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 16, 2020 12:25 PM BST
They identified the wrong person, some media witch hunt
and turned out it wasn't him.
Report Jack Hacksaw June 16, 2020 12:47 PM BST
'Jailing Banks, Chief Magistrate Emma Arbuthnot said: "I accept you were drunk and did not know where you were urinating.'

Little mention in the reporting of his 'mental health issues'.  Wouldn't it be normal to request psychiatric reports or medical evidence before a custodial sentence?
Report Whisperingdeath June 16, 2020 12:51 PM BST
Laugh
Report Crisp77 June 16, 2020 1:01 PM BST
Emma Arbuthnot is married to a Conservative MP. Shirley a conflict of interest because it was a memorial of a man who died protecting MP's.
Report Whisperingdeath June 16, 2020 1:02 PM BST
Laugh
Report portmanpark June 16, 2020 1:14 PM BST
no
Report Whisperingdeath June 16, 2020 1:15 PM BST
spoil sport!

I was enjoying the show!
Report nineteen points June 16, 2020 6:47 PM BST
was it not a female who tried to set fire?
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