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Fawlty Towers 'Don't mention the war' episode removed from UKTV
Fawlty Towers 'Don't mention the war' episode removed from UKTV
BBC-owned streaming service takes down episode that also features racial references
theguardian.com
8:14 pm · 11 Jun 2020·dlvr.it
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James Felton
@JimMFelton
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This one seems dumb. The joke was how bigoted and awful Basil Fawlty was as a character, to a nice German family. Small-minded English people were the target of the joke, not people from Germany.
Mareike Kleine
@kleine_m
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Even if - it’s totally fine to make fun of us. It’s a classic in Germany too.
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NotMyBreakfast
@brexit_dispatch
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I'm a 'leftie' and half-German, but I disagree with making the episode unavailable. Fawlty Towers was a satire of prejudiced attitudes, not an endorsement.
David Burns
@burnsieboy65
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I think this is why.
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Dave Smithly
@DaveSmithly
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People don’t understand that the humour of the 60s and 70s was fundamental in changing prejudiced attitudes from earlier years. When we laughed, we were laughing at our own inherited prejudices and thus exorcising them.
Andy
@Speedgonzaeles
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It's a really interesting point - alot of it is built around tensions and insecurity..
Graeme Bandeira
@GraemeBandeira
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Absolute nonsense
Simon Hulme
@SimonHulmeYPN
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World gone mad..
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Probably Daniel
@not_not_daniel
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Even 12 year old me understood that Basil Fawlty was the butt of the joke, not the titular Germans...
Matt Gray
@mattgrayc64
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He was, but it’s a double edged sword. Yes, his ignorance and lack of empathy (albeit under the influence of concussion) is part of the joke, but the outrageous goose stepping is the big part where everybody laughs. Are we laughing at the character or the impression? I say both.
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Report N-east Correspondent June 11, 2020 9:53 PM BST
just thought I read the most ludicrous story today (Lady Antebellum ffs) that beat the previous ludicrous story

but this has just beat it, they;re after Gavin and Stacey as well so every cloud I suppose
Report i_agree_with_nick June 11, 2020 9:59 PM BST
This was the same episode in which the Major talked about w*gs and n*****s.
Report Crisp77 June 11, 2020 10:02 PM BST
They should remove them all. That little fella Spanishing up is so racist.
Report i_agree_with_nick June 11, 2020 10:04 PM BST
Rising Damp next?
Report Platini June 11, 2020 10:06 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

brilliant !    I'm amazed its taken them so long to get round to taking offence Laugh


"The Germans" is one of my fav episodes, from the greatest sitcom of all time Cool
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 11, 2020 10:06 PM BST
Just culture and national identity.
Report mad mad moon June 11, 2020 10:39 PM BST
Don’t care much for Germans....bad eggs
Report i_agree_with_nick June 11, 2020 10:52 PM BST
I thought the funniest part of that episode was the Fire Alarm scene.  I really felt his pain.
Report i_agree_with_nick June 11, 2020 10:53 PM BST
"Well it is now but that's because we've been standing around talking about it for five minutes!"
Report FOYLESWAR June 11, 2020 10:59 PM BST
now now lads silence is violence if you are not out protesting you are raycist! stands to reason !
Report i_agree_with_nick June 11, 2020 11:09 PM BST
It's not clear why it's been removed.

As I said earlier, I suspect it's the Major's cricket story.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 11, 2020 11:17 PM BST
League Of Gentlemen also gone The Raccoons next
Report DenzilPenberthy June 11, 2020 11:19 PM BST
+ Mighty Boosh gone (haven't watched it myself)
Report DenzilPenberthy June 11, 2020 11:21 PM BST
Can't find Lethal Weapon scene on How Not To Live Your Life
Report FOYLESWAR June 11, 2020 11:22 PM BST
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=XB6v_1591861632
Report FatherMaguire June 11, 2020 11:31 PM BST
I'm devastated - that was my favourite episode along with Waldorf Salad

Was watching the Three Amigos at the weekend and even that had had a scene cut - I really love the 3 amigos and had no idea I had been enjoying such pure unadulterated filth for all these years

Not really sure where we go from here - Hitler was a bad man so I guess we re-write world war 2 history books to show him feeding the pigeons by the Brandenburg gate
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:32 PM BST
Netflix have taken League Of Gentleman down as well

And people thought Netflix was the replacement to the MSM

Sorry guys but... Nope
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:35 PM BST

Jun 11, 2020 -- 11:17PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:


League Of Gentlemen also gone The Raccoons next


Sorry just seen your comment

Madness taking over Plain

Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 11, 2020 11:37 PM BST
Wait till they see Eric Idle's travel agent rant!

and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated d@go with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair Brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners and then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhoea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged w0p waiters called Manuel and
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:41 PM BST
League Of Gentleman barely has any of what you could call "racial" stuff in it as well ffs

I mean the main characters are Pauline the dole start up lady, a weirdo couple who own a "local shop", a taxi driver who's having gender reassignment through out the first series, I can't remember anything you'd remotely call "racism" in it

Unless its a predominantly white village ? ffs

If so its racist to have all white towns and villages then Crazy
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:43 PM BST
Oh no there's this character

https://youtu.be/s2F4ZWTjwTU

You're facked Reese sorry, get to the re-education centre and do not leave until you've been mind numbed
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:47 PM BST
https://youtu.be/8IQJNwvtkmg

This is perfect dark comedy, but its not allowed on today's TV screens Sad
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 11, 2020 11:50 PM BST
I'm suddenly feeling really cool for still having literal box sets of Fawlty Towers and Monty Python on DVD (because Python will surely be gone by the weekend).

The argument for DVDs over online streaming has suddenly become like the argument for storing physical gold - if you don't hold it, you don't own it.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 11, 2020 11:53 PM BST
I've just realized I also have a box set of League of Gentlemen on DVD which my mate gave me as a birthday present years ago. The bits I'd seen on the telly never looked very funny, so I've never even opened it, never mind watched it.

I think I will now.
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:54 PM BST
I've got the league of gentleman and come fly with me on DVD but there in the old food pantry Laugh, not had them out in years

I've got loads and loads of boxsets in that pantry as well, probably got Little Britain and all the others, I vaguely remember buying league of gentleman and going nuts and getting a lot of other older comedy shows as well
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:55 PM BST
Its dark comedy screaming, it wont be for everyone I have to admit

Its quite weirdly gritty as well for a comedy
Report Foinavon June 11, 2020 11:57 PM BST
A good point, will they come for digital books too?
Looks like the cultural nazis are taking over, how do we stop them?
Report i_agree_with_nick June 11, 2020 11:57 PM BST
I knew I should have kept those newspaper freebie DVDs.
Report SontaranStratagem June 11, 2020 11:59 PM BST
Got all the older Doctor Who sets along with Eccleston, Tennants and Smiths as well

No doubt their going as well Plain

I never thought I'd ever have those DVDs out again Crazy

Foinavon its easy they need removing from their positions of power and all the colleges and unis need to be closed until they've had a cleaning out as well, some of the scum you've got teaching in those places would make your eyes water

Primary Schools need to be looked into as well
Report Foinavon June 12, 2020 12:03 AM BST
Easier said than done, we need a government prepared to do it, this one won't.
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:03 AM BST
Old war movies like K19 and U-571 will be going as well I would imagine, all white casts aren't allowed
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 12:07 AM BST
Excellent point about physical books.

Don't even think of giving them away to charity shops any more.
Report macarony June 12, 2020 12:09 AM BST
The charity shop police will be out in force
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:11 AM BST
I think we can safely say the governments need to be bypassed on this one

Because once they've take all the movies and TV shows down the next target is us, the one's who opposed it and we'll be declared "racist" and "domestic terrorists".
Report i_agree_with_nick June 12, 2020 12:12 AM BST
Porridge could be in trouble. I'm thinking of McLaren.
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:12 AM BST
You can keep your gob shut and live in your own little bubble but what life is that?

Its not one I'm willing to lead
Report Platini June 12, 2020 12:15 AM BST
Netflix a replacement for MSM ?    Have you seen the state of that steaming pile of streaming wokeness ?

Anything produced in the last 5 years by them is riddled with their agenda, they literally ram it down your throat.
From the "progressive" storylines, to the woke-infested dialogue and check-box characters.
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:18 AM BST
platini

I was talking about the one's who said it was when it first came out

I've watched nothing on there for yonks and you can be sure everything half decent will go

Only Fools And Horses as well?
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 12:23 AM BST
Eddie Hitler ?
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 12:25 AM BST
I can't see Porridge surviving Lukewarm's character either. The big laugh his letter to "My darling Trevor" got will see to that.
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:29 AM BST
They wont back down from this its now or never and they know it, the final dance
Report i_agree_with_nick June 12, 2020 12:29 AM BST
The Office.

David Brent:  "This guy tells an excellent joke.  Oh no, it's not you, it's the other one."
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 12:34 AM BST
Report Platini June 12, 2020 12:34 AM BST
I'm sure it was very different when it first started (Netflix), I can't remember what year it was, but it all changed about 4 or 5 years ago.
There are still a lot of good older productions (TV and movies) on there, but you can bet they're getting scrutinised now, more will be binned, scenes will be cut, whole episodes vaporised.

Only Fools was one of the early casualties I think. 2 or 3 years ago, they cut scenes out of at least one episode.
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:39 AM BST
OFAH got butchered on a new DVD box release a few years ago https://www.zavvi.com/dvd/only-fools-and-horses-complete-series-and-specials/8564878.html

The leopard print version box set

The newer box version even more so, not worth bothering with either of them
Report i_agree_with_nick June 12, 2020 12:39 AM BST
Auf Wiedersehen, Pet and Dad's Army?
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:39 AM BST
Auf Wiedersehen, Pet will go for sure

The "abduls" nickname the gang gave them will see to that

They called the Germans "erics" as well
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:40 AM BST
They called the turks abduls
Report DenzilPenberthy June 12, 2020 12:46 AM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 12:12AM, i_agree_with_nick wrote:


Porridge could be in trouble. I'm thinking of McLaren.


My favourite episode is The Hustler and the only video I could find on YT was a sped up version and they cut the bit when they came out the coal bunker and McKay says 'Welcome to the Black and White Minstrel Show'.

Report DenzilPenberthy June 12, 2020 12:48 AM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 12:39AM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


Auf Wiedersehen, Pet will go for sureThe "abduls" nickname the gang gave them will see to that They called the Germans "erics" as well


When Neville worked in the Indian restaurant there was a Gunga Din and Goodness Gracious Me bit.
Oz calls the German barman Adolf and the Spanish copper PepeLaugh

Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 12:49 AM BST
https://youtu.be/3XFBAL0CL8M

I feel like this
Report DenzilPenberthy June 12, 2020 12:50 AM BST
Giz a bottle a pils Adolf and Get yer laughing gear roond that Pepe always makes me laughGrin
Report stewarts rise June 12, 2020 11:11 AM BST
Only just heard this, unbelievable don't these lunatics get satire!
I expect they'll be taking off that Indian comedy next with the old indian fella playing up to all the stereotypes,(can't think what it's called), or is it ok for Indian people to send themselves up.
Report lovegod June 12, 2020 11:35 AM BST
It Ain't Half Hot Mum?
Report lovegod June 12, 2020 11:35 AM BST
Forget that was it Goodness Gracious Me?
Report dambuster June 12, 2020 11:49 AM BST
Major:''I took her to see India.

Polly : ''India !''.

Major : ''At the Oval'
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Mr Spock June 12, 2020 11:56 AM BST
Lets see how PC they are when hardly anyone is paying the license fee plus the woke shoite they are pushing left right and centre starts to hit the viewing fugures and the advertisers start to turn off the revenue stream. If anyone has seen any part of that garbage from the US Batwaaaman, they'll know what I'm talking about.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 12:29 PM BST
Removing these things from Netflix should see socially distanced queues outside hmv next week as folk but dvds using contactless cards.

If there's any hmvs left after cut backs and riots...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 12:30 PM BST
Buy dvds
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 1:28 PM BST
it wasn't Fawlty's fault   ...it's not about the Germans

this was because of the Major ....  using the w and n words
Report dambuster June 12, 2020 1:30 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 11:56AM, Mr Spock wrote:


Lets see how PC they are when hardly anyone is paying the license fee plus the woke shoite they are pushing left right and centre starts to hit the viewing fugures and the advertisers start to turn off the revenue stream. If anyone has seen any part of that garbage from the US Batwaaaman, they'll know what I'm talking about.


The difference between The comedies of old like Fawlty towers, Rising Damp, Little Britain, In sickness and in Health,etc etc,
and the newer PC left wing alternative comedies, is simple, They were very funny with massive viewing figures and todays are Not funny.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 1:32 PM BST
For the last fecking time:
1) It’s not because of the war
2) It’s about repeated use of the N word
3) BBC edited the offending scene in 2013
4) Cleese fully approved of it
5) Netflix & UKTV were airing unedited version
6) Edited version will likely be used in future



From twitter, probably won't help, but they want to complain,
Report 1st time poster June 12, 2020 1:35 PM BST
anyone seeing that trisha goddard interview last night and think these programmes should still be available are plain and simply  RACISTS, END OFF,

no what about,what if,blah,blah
Report BARROWBOY June 12, 2020 1:40 PM BST
The thing about these shows,fawlty towers,till death us do part & even love thy neighbour was that the racist/bigot always came off the loser second best.cant these people see that they shouldn’t take them at face value.we re laughing at the bigot not with them.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 1:46 PM BST
Some people didn't realise that on this forum last week

Amazing innit,

It still causes the racists words to be used against people
as catch phrases, so ridicule of racists somewhat failed as
they simply were not bright enough to get the ridicule.


(might just be Russian bots on here though)
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 1:56 PM BST
Doesn't negate the intent of the sitcoms though.

If anyone can watch Love Thy Neighbour and want to be humiliated the way Jack Smethurst's character was each week, then they're beyond help anyway. Ditto anyone who watches Major Gowen in Fawlty Towers and decides that that is how they themselves would like to be perceived.
Report dambuster June 12, 2020 1:58 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 1:56PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:


Doesn't negate the intent of the sitcoms though.If anyone can watch Love Thy Neighbour and want to be humiliated the way Jack Smethurst's character was each week, then they're beyond help anyway. Ditto anyone who watches Major Gowen in Fawlty Towers and decides that that is how they themselves would like to be perceived.


What about Rudolph Walker calling Eddie, '' White Honky'' every time he saw him.?
Is that offensive to white people.?
i certainly wasn't offended.

Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 1:59 PM BST
The real genius of Love Thy Neighbour was that Jack Smethurst's thick bigot was a diehard Labour trade union activist, while Rudolph Walker's black character was a Conservative voter who wanted to get on in life.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 2:00 PM BST
Oh I agree on the intent, just that it didn't work on some
who still hero worship alf garnett..
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 2:08 PM BST
I didn't make my point well, dambuster. None of those old sitcoms promoted bigotry or racist insults, whoever they were coming from. Randolph Walker's character got his come-uppance from his wife just as much as Jack Smethurst's character did. The long-suffering women just made both the menfolk look stupid.

I was objecting to you-have-to-laugh's contention that just because some people still use those insults, then those sitcoms must have been failures. My contention was that anyone who watched them and saw the way Eddie Booth and Bill Reynolds behaved and got henpecked for it, was simply beyond help anyway.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 2:12 PM BST
You make your point well, imo
Report 1st time poster June 12, 2020 2:16 PM BST
the goddard stuff,lttle britan stuff was 10/15 years ago
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 2:17 PM BST
Thank you.

Are you sure Chit-Chat is really for you though?Grin
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 2:22 PM BST
The demise in BBC comedy has been catastrophic in the last few years as I've been boring people for years on this very forum :)
It's all woke bullshit with the BBC agenda. Drama, documentaries, news, all riddled.
There is no BBC comedy I can think of in recent years that I'd want to watch or could name as something I thought funny, not so many years ago there was loads.

The BBC just needs put down IMHO. Boyle, Hislop and Kumar can do Guardian christmas lunches.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 2:38 PM BST
Responding to the deletion of the “Germans” episode of Fawlty Towers from BBC-owned streamer UKTV, Cleese says:

“The Major was an old fossil left over from decades before. We were not supporting his views, we were making fun of them. If they can’t see that, if people are too stupid to see that, what can one say?”
Report dambuster June 12, 2020 3:08 PM BST
I totally agree that these left wing apologist are thick, just look at the Banksy mural removed by Tendring council in 2014,
it was an exotic looking bird sitting next to pigeons who held up placards saying things like 'Go back home' and Go back to Africa'.
He was mocking UKIP winning the local elections, but council cheifs panicked in case it offended anyone,
they received 400 complaints for removing it, and 1 person supported them.
Once they found it was Banksy, they asked him back again, when they knew it would be worth a fortune to them.
He never returned as far as i know. CryCryCryCry
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 3:16 PM BST
Just watched Love they neighbor for the first time ever .... can't see how it paints blacks in a bad picture from the episode i saw (apart from the loud music party next door maybe )

white bloke portrayed as a complete moron ,as he was .Plain

black guy next door seems a good egg and seems well liked .

other then the use of certain racist words repeated far too often I think it was OK ,one or two funny gags
Report 1st time poster June 12, 2020 3:18 PM BST
cleese may well have said that but like most of us cleese probably didn't think the major would be more main strain today than he was the,if that was on today who do you think the brexiteers,right ukip some in tory party would be laughing with or laughing at,
as mr ferari woiuld say if you don't like been called a ------- go somewhere else
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 3:18 PM BST
Coach

They saw that blacks and whites were getting on to a small degree and that's not acceptable, a united working class are frowned upon by the ruling elites

They keep saying "unite" but they don't mean it, they want divide and chaos
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 3:25 PM BST
seems to be that way today too sonts  ...liberal middle classes trying to  cause a drift ...i can clearly see that .

They have nothing in coming with the blacks ...they  live  in exclusively white areas ,private or grammar  schools , professional employment   ...they probably never encounter blacks in real life
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 3:25 PM BST
common*
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 3:26 PM BST
As a BBC head of Comedy said a while back, they wouldn't commission Monty Python now as they were ‘six Oxbridge white blokes’.

Nothing to do with their comedy or what the license fee payer would enjoy.

#defundthebbc
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 3:35 PM BST
Whites and blacks do make an effort to get on in the real world, gangs of whites and blacks will try to stay clear of each other and have nothing to do with the other sides business

Yeah the odd occasion there's a fack up but they quickly sort it amongst themselves, racism really does not exist ffs

The rich white kids seem to have a hard on for inter racial nonsense, but black men 99% of the time really do not want to gang bang your white women mates
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 4:21 PM BST
this is it ,you either like someone or you don't ...no one gives a flying fook about colour .

I've known a few  blacks who i didn't get on with    ,but i've tended not to make friends with them ...simples

the  majority  have been good sorts though .

first impressions on the other hand are just second nature with people ...when i see a black man in an expensive car i always think ...yep,drug dealer
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 4:23 PM BST
this is why they get stopped more by the police ...a black man looks conspicuous in certain settings /so the likelihood of arrest is higher by default...BBC need to realise this
Report Coachbuster June 12, 2020 4:25 PM BST
if scousers were purple or turqiose i'm sure they would get stopped more too
Report SontaranStratagem June 12, 2020 4:25 PM BST
Same for a white scally in a hoodie rooting round a shop, they tend to get followed more than a mum with a pram
Report 1st time poster June 12, 2020 5:00 PM BST
trying to keep up since lockdown, but at present people want
to boycott Weatherspoon pubs because of martin telling his staff to fooook off,

not supporting AJ anymore because they call him a racist but support slave trader statues, Churchill,work that one out if you can

boycott EPL because sterling,sancho,all player,s supporting BLM

RIGHT might  as well stay in lo0ckdown,very people who want it to end, LaughLaugh
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 5:18 PM BST
"if scousers were purple or turqiose i'm sure they would get stopped more too"
What if they were shirtless?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug

Sorry they are wearing Scouseface, that's raycist :)
Report elisjohn June 12, 2020 7:28 PM BST
bbc comedy last night, just turning channels around 10.15,, group around the table,   farting loud  , and loads of swearing   was their humour,  Cry
Report Platini June 12, 2020 7:51 PM BST
John Cleese hits back at BBC and nails it in this statement

"So BBC decisions are made by persons whose main concern is not losing their jobs... That's why they're so cowardly and gutless and contemptible. I rest my case."


bingo, thats it in a nutshell.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 7:55 PM BST
I don't think anyone at the BBC is ever concerned about losing their jobs. It's about signalling their uncompromising virtue to their social circle.
Report Platini June 12, 2020 8:47 PM BST
yes, but a lot of the signalling is driven by fear, peer pressure taken to an extreme level - fear of losing their jobs if they step out of line.
Report SontaranStratagem June 14, 2020 2:46 AM BST
https://news.sky.com/story/david-walliams-and-matt-lucas-apologise-for-using-blackface-in-little-britain-12006347

Laugh

Knew Lucas would but had some hope for Walliams, sadly not he's another sad case
Report DenzilPenberthy June 14, 2020 2:50 AM BST
It's cringeworthy
Report DenzilPenberthy June 14, 2020 2:56 AM BST
https://vimeo.com/26926279
Report SontaranStratagem June 14, 2020 3:24 AM BST
"why's that babby" LaughLaugh

Was suppose to be comedy but never mind, if they haven't a sense of humour then that's sad really
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 14, 2020 10:07 AM BST
If they were genuinely sorry, they'd give up every penny of the money they made from it and send it to African charities. Water Aid, for instance.

And I mean every penny, including profits from investments.
Report BARROWBOY June 14, 2020 10:31 AM BST
Whao screaming,they’re sorry but not that sorry.
Report zorrostrikes June 15, 2020 5:27 AM BST
I remember noticing missing scenes and episodes of star trek as early as 1978 on the bbc.  They did not show the episode with torture , i thot id seen sll the episodes several times, suddenly an extra x rated startrek episode ecisted. Bbc excluded it. In one episode elana of troy? Capt kirk is pulling on his boots. He obviously just shagged the black girl star, elana. But this scene was cut by the bbc. No sex please we're british. The amount of deliberate alterations to films to please cendors in the seventies and eighties was extreme. You firkin bastich knute. Johnny
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