So the way to reward a mob of left wing rs wholes attacking statues is ..

get a few more weird buzzwords in there, JC

most agree with that , but wont say so

Stop whining Just Checking and do something about it. Go and defend a statue.

Have any statues of black men been torn down or vandalised yet? If not why not? Bizarre

EVERYTHING seems to be overblown these days, there is no calm thought and mature rationality, it's just one hysterical media and social media mob sh1tstorm after another, always something to go mental about. Hysteria and mobs being the key word, and our politicians are normally so spineless they just go which way the wind is blowing, (Boris not bowing to the lynch mob a couple weeks ago aside). It's been going this way for years and it's just getting worse.

I have to agree about your main point but you're not going to win over any centrists by praising the cowardice of our buffoonish PM over the Cummings affair.

he kept Cummings for the banter. Nobody winds up the mob more than he does.

If I wanted banter I'd go to a dyslexic chip shop.

Good posts Just Checking could'nt agree with you more.

The test for any fair way of behaviour is to apply the same principles to all parties

"Black lives" matter posters become white lives matter.. what would the reaction be? A screaming mob of enraged students calling you a member of the ku klux klan and a nazi

"We need to encourage more BAME candidates into job roles by positive discrimination".. switched around would be, we are only hiring white candidates in cities like Bradford, Leicester with a disproportionally high black demographic. Anyone doing that would probably be arrested or in prison.

It's one rule for one and one for another.. only recently I was discussing this with someone who is against racism yet an OBE holder who proudly announces it in their name when holding discussions on how terrible racism is. She thinks of statues of past figures relating to the empire as disgusting and examples of racism yet has no issues proudly stating she has been given " an order of the British empire" to further her own delusions of grandeur. Most of the WOKE/hard left mob are not just hypocrites but incredibly stupid

Blown out of all proportion,precious about a few statues but not a word against the goverment who have the blood of thousands on their hands.

Agree wolf, gladly accept an order of the empire but i want to complain about the empires use of slaves

"The British empire’s role in ending slavery. Granted, British and other European “businessmen” did internationalise the slave trade, but the practice was invented by African chiefs who had been capturing and selling slaves within the continent and to the Middle East for centuries before the transatlantic trade"

What a pathetic country we are.

Why don't you just leave if you don't like it, quisling?

George Washington had dozens of slaves but not much danger of his statues being removed.

In the US a statue of Christoper Columbus been torn down by a leftist mob.
Do the police there not have guns? Finally a use for them and they miss it. Disappointing.

Whisperingdeath10
Stop whining Just Checking and do something about it. Go and defend a statue.

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https://qz.com/africa/1333946/global-slavery-index-africa-has-the-highest-rate-of-modern-day-slavery-in-the-world/

Plenty of modern day slavery to sink your teeth into WD! Get your passport stamped and have at it!

Just Checking you finally got something right: a country run by politicans not fit to tie our shoe laces. Well done.

Interesting link FAI I wonder I wonder if it will be ignored or debunked great info

Jun 10, 2020 -- 1:55PM, Just Checking wrote:

In the US a statue of Christoper Columbus been torn down by a leftist mob.Do the police there not have guns? Finally a use for them and they miss it. Disappointing.

Over 500 years ago he arrived in the USA. Yet people complain about it now.

Madness of crowds.

What would be an acceptable timeframe?

Great point, Wolfy

Let get a list of all the luvvies with OBEs, MBEs, etc and ask the mob if its time to take down their ill-gotten awards tainted by colonialism etc

When did columbus visit USA please?

The 1492 "voyage of discovery" is, however, hardly all that is
at issue. In 1493 Columbus returned with an invasion force of
seventeen ships, appointed at his own request by the Spanish Crown to
install himself as "viceroy and governor of [the Caribbean islands]
and the mainland" of America, a position he held until
1500. Setting up shop on the large island he called Espa–ola (today
Haiti and the Dominican Republic), he promptly instituted policies of
slavery (encomiendo) and systematic extermination against the native
Taino population. Columbus's programs reduced Taino numbers from as
many as eight million at the outset of his regime to about three
million in 1496. Perhaps 100,000 were left by the time of the
governor's departure. His policies, however, remained, with the
result that by 1514 the Spanish census of the island showed barely
22,000 Indians remaining alive.

sweet

It is entirely likely that upwards of 10,000 Indians were
killed in this fashion alone, on Espa–ola alone, as a matter of
policy, during Columbus's tenure as governor. Las Casas'
Brev’sima relaci—n, among other contemporaneous sources, is also
replete with accounts of Spanish colonists (hidalgos) hanging Tainos
en masse, roasting them on spits or burning them at the stake (often a
dozen or more at a time), hacking their children into pieces to be
used as dog feed and so forth, all of it to instill in the natives a
"proper attitude of respect" toward their Spanish "superiors."

That's a great idea actually. Can't just waste that flesh.

its where we,re at,split as a country
a year ago Raheem sterling/sancho uk hero in Bulgaria against them 3rd world nut jobs,he goes on social media and newsnight defending BLM, SO SAME PEOPLE TRAWL DOWN the list of every black footballer till they find one that disagrees with BLM and post it all over social media, karl hennery 99.9% of population never heard of him,
George Floyd with in hours usual suspects were putting his back crime sheet up
when Churchill is discussed same people want to  airbrush his back catalogue

Churchill question keeps getting brought up on a yearly basis like a xmas tree,why doesnt the bbc ,nextflix etc do a docu,film about Churchill,s life up to the war and leave that piece out,and give people the full picture about his life, would be a viewing winner to boot

your countrymen killed about 6 million innocents didn't they edy?
was that sweet?

No. Maybe that's the reason why we don't have all too many statues of them around despite great, groundbreaking achievements for the later advancement of humanity in technology.

But you should apologise for your history constantly imo
It's only been 80 years after all
You don't show enough shame imo

I'd bet everything I've got - and it ain't a small amount - that everyone of these protesters would very quickly abandon their newly found outrage and principals for a tasty cash sum, or a highly paid job.

Anyway, if they are so concerned with humanity why don't they stop wasting their energy on tearing down useless statues and instead devote some time to helping the starving and the poor in countries where the luxury of protests like these is unthinkable. Of course, though, doing the latter ain't glamorous enough.

The OP got his first post dead right, and so did the one who spoke of those proud to accept some traditions of our empire - OBE's etc - whilst being outraged by others. Muddled and selfish thinking.

For some reason - over the top liberalism I suspect - the UK has become the most muddled thinking country in the world. There is an old saying that many in the UK should try to remember: You are never IN a traffic jam. You are PART of a traffic jam. In mother words, stop blaming the rest of society for what is wrong and take a look at what you might not be 100% with!

To illustrate let me go back 10 years or so. I was doing a temporary contract at a big office in London. Every f*cking day one girl would insist on having the air conditioning up so high it was like a sauna. But when she went home in the freezing cold, she would be wearing the same skimpy outfit she'd had on all day and no coat.

She never could see how her attitude and behaviours were at odds with each other - at the expense of the rest of us.

I noted she was very young and note again how these protesters are mostly young, as well. When they start to find out what real life is - money, mortgages, kids, etc, they will soon forget the offence that a bl**dy old statue caused them! They will also find they are not quite as concerned about what goes on in another country's society.

You never show any shame for all your embarrassingly stupid posts either.

I'll ask again
The deaths of nearly 8 million black people 500 years ago according to you is 'sweet'
How would you describe the deaths of 6 million at the hand of your relatives not even 100 years ago?
Delicious?

You young politicos who spend all your time on here have absolutely zero sense of humour.

Apologise for your countrymen here edy. NOW

Denzil will be very disappointed with your fake outrage.

Calling the death of 8 million is never sweet
You have a very poor sense of humour
Thats summat you need to work on
Now apologise for your disgusting relatives from 3 to 4 generations back please

Geez, can't you stalk someone else? It would be ok if you were even remotely a match, but you are a total bore.

As I thought a total hypocrite
Your failure to apologise strengthens the vibe you don't feel  you've anything to feel sorry for. Gloating over massive death rates must give you wet dreams
Your neo-nazi mask is well and truly off edy

Apologise you freak!

You know I like myself some good depopulation. What are you getting up all high and mighty on your horse, virtue-signalling now?

If you'd please stop stalking me now, it'd be highly appreciated.

The ultimate celebrity hypocrisy is Lewis Hamilton driving for Mercedes whilst bemoaning racism!

Yeah Injera. Edy here won't apologise for the sins of her fathers but expects the British to do so.
As if a poxy German has any right to demand anything?

The Knight10  @  14:32

Very good post.

Beloved Fire-and-Ice,

can you please stop being such a disingenuous, lying stalker? I do not expect the British to apologise for the sins of their fathers, as I explained repeatedly yesterday in the thread titled "Are people on here ashamed to be British". A thread you took part in after my posts.

Hugs and Kisses,
Etienné

If, of course, you have proof to the opposite, feel free to provide. I guess, however, any proof that you clearly saw and remember will have coincidentally and to your sad detriment been deleted just like Charlie wishing death on others that you so super clearly saw and remember vividly.

*just like Charlie wishing death on others that you so super clearly saw and remember vividly was coincidentally and to your sad detriment deleted by the forum moderators that are conspiring against you.

The Knight • June 10, 2020 3:32 PM BST
I'd bet everything I've got - and it ain't a small amount - that everyone of these protesters would very quickly abandon their newly found outrage and principals for a tasty cash sum, or a highly paid job

You are guessing and I'd take your bet at any odds.

Fire-and-Ice should be off looking for evidence of what I said and the posts condemning my post. He wont be because he knows he was lying.

But the post that only he saw and remembers was deleted, Charlie!

The post that nobody called out either.

I may be doing him a disservice. He may have misread it or remembered it incorrectly or maybe he's just a lying tw@t. I know where my money would be.

The answer to that couldn't be any clearer if you look at his general behaviour.

Including very recently in this thread of course.

Some of you palooka’s just don’t get it. We are all victim’s of the plutocrats. Just like Jedward Coulson only allowed people who did not oppose his views to benefit from his philanthropy. The philanthropy came about because he made money by exploiting people without regard whether or not they lived or died. 19,000 of them died on boats on their way to the America’s.

Anyone here managed to Double Dutch their income? Been taken to lunch by the Tax Man so you can let him know how much you want to pay? Any of you got Ministers on your payroll so they can pass laws that will allow you not to pay your fair share?

Yet you are outraged by a load of BLM protesters running around the streets.

Very smart.

The Knight • June 10, 2020 3:32 PM BST
Anyway, if they are so concerned with humanity why don't they stop wasting their energy on tearing down useless statues and instead devote some time to helping the starving and the poor in countries where the luxury of protests like these is unthinkable. Of course, though, doing the latter ain't glamorous enough.

So by "they" are we talking about the so called lefties? The so called lefties who want to improve living conditions for people and often volunteer for VSO and work overseas to help the starving and poor and help to improve conditions. Or have I misunderstood your post? Or maybe they don't count?

Yep, moaning and getting precious about a few old statues,you couldn't make it up.

Today,yes today,not 2.3 5 hundred years ago Prof Ferguson claims THIRTY THOUSAND died in the last couple of months by the tory goverment allowing the virus to seed itself in the UK.

Shameful you moan with statues and turn a blind eye to your beloved Boris.

I love Banksy's idea of replacing the Edward Colston statue with a new statue of protesters pulling the Edward Colston statue down.

Should plant trees to replace the unholy, unchristian graven images. Are a lot nicer to hug too.

why not go the whole hog, and replace it with a statue of Saint Floyd ?

I don't want any graven images. Humanity, Christians should've never allowed graven images to be put up all over the place.

Plus, again, bronze is a lot less nice to hug than a tree.

The mob are going to get it and I'm looking forward to the authorities ie police and army coming down with an iron fist on the scum lowlife ;in fact I foresee an English Tiananmen Square and the liberals will be squealing and crushed for a hundred years.

I don’t see BLM turning up in any great numbers on Saturday. They’d be very stupid to. Antigua won’t fancy it either. Probably will go for softer targets. I’ll be in Westminster though. Anyone else coming?

Charlie. Why would I mean lefties? I mean any of them.

Anyway, you really think that these protesters are merrily volunteering left, right and centre? I hope you are right but it still does not give them the right to try to impose today's often muddled morality on that of hundreds of years ago, even more so when breaking the law.

The other thing to note is how these street protests are almost exclusively held in warmer weather. If they all felt so strongly they'd be out in mid-winter, as well. But as any experienced policeman will tell you, bad weather is often the very best way of stopping demonstrations.

And, BTW, slavery was a terrible thing but trashing public property really does very little to help their 'cause' in the long run. Very probable that these statues should be removed but the local authority - IE rate payers - will have had to pay for the clear up from the weekend. Given the money CV19 is costing I'd say the protesters behaved even in an even more selfish fashion.

I'm 60 next month and I've seen it all before about so many things. When the vast, vast majority of these young protesters hit my age they will look back and appreciate they went about it the wrong way.

Racism is a terrible, terrible thing but it is so hard-wired into so many people that thinking protests like this will stop it is very naive. It will take many, many years of education to do that and this is the area protesters should be directing their efforts at. Not having a good old jolly-up in Bristol and elsewhere.

^it is hard wired into people 


no amount of lecturing will change that  ...it's like trying to tell people not to judge a woman on how attractive she is.  ...People do judge  ..that's what they do .

  This is why i always say to  racists ,imagine being in a black mans shoes ...

as a white man i can pretty much walk onto the roughest estate or the richest village in the Cotswolds and i will get on with the people regardless ,i know that  ...   but if i was black stranger to these locations i don't think i would get an overly grand reception in either