Are people on here ashamed to be British

up the celts!

We are apparently a nation of immigrants ie Romans Danes Anglo Saxons Normans Vikings all of them invaders and you wonder why we had an empire

As a German I also know a thing or two about being from a country whose history isn't all Goethe and roses. In Germany it's not about being ashamed for being German or any nonsense like that. It's simply about having a sober view on the past. We don't scuff our feet, endlessly bemoaning how ashamed we are for our mere existence.

From what I've seen in the British media, and also this forum, I don't see it any different in the UK. To me it looks like simply about having a balanced view on history.

Of course there are probably some people here and there who want you to be ashamed, but by and large it mostly seem to be social media grifters from the alt-right who push the narrative that the good patriotic Brit must stand up against the media and liberal nasty elite wanting to put you into an eternal state of shame when the liberals really don't.

It's a bunch of alt-right grifters riling people up against something that isn't even happening.

Wo kommst du herr?

Proud to be from newcastle
Proud to be english
Proud to be british

Originally Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

And this shame thing from the alt-right about Britishness/Germanness extends to other things. They spread a similar total nonsense narrative to their crowd about the liberals/leftists/whatever wanting you to be ashamed of being white. Or being a male. Or worst of all - a white male. The alt-righters implant a victimhood mentality regarding those things that then makes people put up stickers that say "It's ok to be white".

Well, of course it's ok to be white. Of course it's ok to be male. Of course it's ok to be British, and to be a proud Brit. Ain't nobody of note telling you it isn't. It's just a really stupid narrative created by the alt-righters that the liberals want British white males to walk down the street in eternal shame, scuffing their feet, being heartbroken about their birth sin of having been born a white male Brit.

edy clueless springs to mind

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. It just roll off the tongue


Agree with you though.
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Richie_Burnett • June 9, 2020 7:45 PM BST

You ain't woke, Denzoil, you're just a bigot. Home counties toff who wouldn't last 5 minutes in the streets.


It's a good un you can have that one

Edy, it's not being driven by the Alt-Right in this country.

I am embarrassed by the amount of Rs licking that some Brits are doing.

Jun 9, 2020 -- 6:56PM, saddo wrote:

Anyone here ashamed can easily bugger off to a country without shame if one exists. Easy innit.

Spot on saddo,

10,000 English football fans every summer were proud to be british,those proud brits on here were always suggesting they lock,m up and throw away the key, make me ashamed to be british,etc,etc but their Brexit supporters, so probably the forum today woiuld say the police should leave them alone

Jun 9, 2020 -- 7:56PM, HonkyJoe wrote:

Edy, it's not being driven by the Alt-Right in this country.

Well, who does?

On this forum I don't see the leftists/liberals broadly telling you to be ashamed (and indeed you see Charlie and yhtl declaring themselves as proud Brits in this thread. And might I say - the only ones who specifically did while the others ranted about traitors who can fook off, or about danes. I hope I didn't insult either by associating them more with the left).

I don't see it The Grauniad, The Independent or anything either. I think it's possible, probaby likely, that things like potential criticism are viewed differently depending on where you stand politically, other experiences and whatnot. Maybe I view it as far too relaxed because I was brought up in a country that was always very sober about its darkest hours (solely because we were forced to). Maybe you experience it as more critical than it's likely meant to be because in Britain there seems to be a lot more nostalgic romanticisation of the history and criticism then seems extra harsh when it comes.

Really, and I can only say it again, the way I see it, parts of the alt-right, new-right and far-right are playing a nasty game in installing a victimhood mentality, predominantly targeting white males with it. They are telling white males that the metropolitan elites and liberals are attacking them constantly and want them to be ashamed of their mere existence or their citizenship. I get the impression people really buy into that, and to me as someone who is also a white male it's ****g weird. Be proud and don't let the alt-righters manifest the idea and mindset that the world and liberals are against white males, or people being proud of their country of origin. They are not. Not at all.

were no different to usa country split down the middle and tory,s like trump willappeal to their mew Brexit base,egged on by ukiop,brexit party,and those even further to the right football lads alliance,britan 1st,etc,etc,
think we better be hoping for a dreary wet summer

The leftist liberals hate the white British including the ones on here you just mentioned

Come off it Edy, victimhood and the politics of oppression has been in the far left's playbook for centuries. It might even have been a German that came up with it.

Yeah, Hitler told the white males they were victims of the liberal elites.

not that German

not that century

The AfD in their careful creation and fostering of a victimhood fairytale in especially Eastern Germany?

You old enough to have been in the Hitler youth edy so I believe you

I never used to be ashamed to be British but given the ****ing woeful state of our Politics, ScumMedia, Woke Universities, Disgraceful National Broadcaster, Police force that lets real criminals off and spends it's time making up "Hate Crimes" etc, it's increasingly going that way.

More ashamed some of you are British mukdahan,

Our forefathers would have been ashamed of you and wondered what they fought World Wars for.

Jun 9, 2020 -- 9:18PM, macarony wrote:

You old enough to have been in the Hitler youth edy so I believe you

I know what we fought war and it wasn"t for every record to be destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture to be repainted, every statue and street to be renamed and every date to be altered or for history to stop

Funny how the Bengal famine was caused by overpopulation, a devastating cyclone, and the Japanese invading Burma and in addition to slaughtering and torturing 10000s of locals, cutting off the rice supply to a Bengal that relied on imports, driving refugees out in to Bengal to add to the misery, and other factors such as inter Indian State protectionism, all at a time of the worlds worst war right on Bengals doorstep making it the front line of a war zone.

But I suppose it must be the nasty white Brits to blame, as usual, it always is.


The japanese didn't have rape camps and genocidal weapon labs, they were inventing Mario Bros..

Coincidentally I think the Japanese are also throwing hissy fits when someone wants to teach about rape camps.

Like the Turkish government is throwing hissy fits about the armenian genocide, or like the AfD wants the Nazi-time to be taught as a sideshow for maybe two weeks in history lessons in Germany.

Because it's a mere unimportant Fliegenschiss (fly poo) in the glorious German history.

Eazy Jet will be doing repatriation flights to a country of your choice paid for by the government if you really don't like living in the Uk.

Will be advertised soon on the TV.

Sorry, was Vogelschiss (bird poo).

If you don't like it you can get out!!!

Get out you scum!

This is England!

Jun 9, 2020 -- 10:01PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

How long before you two 'come' out?

Must be time you got that quote out again

the british unilaterally abolished slavery when nobody else thought it a problem, and it carried on into the 20th century in africa and the middle east, despite british efforts to end it. slavery was around for millennia, until the british tried to end it. a lot is said about the atlantic slave trade but nothing about the ottoman turk version, the greatest of all, or the islamic version which still goes on.

but they wont be tearing down statues in turkey or the middle east. theyd be shot.

why did so many advances in science and medicine happen in the u.k? because the spirit of intellectual inquiry only existed here. you were free from arbitrary arrest and murder, hence the vicious lampooning of the ruling class by people like hogarth and gilray. this could not happen elsewhere which is why every revolutionary from kossuth to marx and lenin found themselves here. similarly, the industrial revolution was a peculiarly british phenomenon that produced railways and scientific advances that would never have happened elsewhere. its instructive that 2 british universities have garnered more nobel prizes than whole continents. thats not an accident.

and have you ever considered why every major sport you can think of emanated in the u.k? for similar reasons.

and before all the loons start raving, im not a nostalgic empire-lover, but a sense of historical perspective is required, but seldom demonstrated by those who condemn the uk by contemporary mores but entirely fail to apply the same critical faculties to the so-called 'oppressed'. the british did not invent the charming indian practice of burning women alive when the old man died; they tried to end it. are they to be condemned for that? nor did they invent polygyny or fgm, a source of so much misery in africa and the middle east.

i could bore on, but you lot will never get it

and Scotland!

they were very enlightened too!

i did say british. in fact, as you nearly pointed out, the scots were massively over-represented in every aspect.

aaronh did you mean this quote from edy which breaks forum guidelines due to it's h o mo erotic content?

edy • May 9, 2020 9:26 PM BST
Funny you would say that. I did dream of your soft, but masculine, hands rubbing oil, lavender scented, all over my naked body before you gently went on to spoil me further by massaging my penis with your very skilled tongue and mouth.

aaronh • May 9, 2020 9:38 PM BST
LoveLoveLoveLove

Moderators instead of deleting my posts have a look at the sort posts those doing the complaining are posting at me thanks

very intelligent though.

Great education system, perhaps that is something to do with it?

Is Denzil pure spamming threads again?

i was born in south africa left there aged 22 came to britain got a british passport about 13 years ago, im very proud to be south african & british, why should we be ashamed of who we are black or white, british or french, it doesnt matter , 1st poster i watched in limbo last night thought it was quite good but im not ashamed to be british as you put it.

Jun 9, 2020 -- 10:52PM, edy wrote:

Is Denzil pure spamming threads again?

Obviously that clueless comment touched a nerve as does your obvious open obsessions you can't help yourself you are making your life on here more pointless

Please refrain from alway hijacking and derailing threads out of personal animosities.

no it isnt. are scots intrinsically more intelligent? no. but education was in the pragmatic religion that came to dominate northern europe that resulted in advances in the human condition that have been a great benefit to humanity.

southern europe was hamstrung by the catholic church, which is why the industrial revolution happened in the north. why was north america such a success and south america a disaster? its a bit more complex than that, but thats the nub of it.

you would have to be a mug to be ashamed of something a country did years before you were born

Are people on here ashamed to be (British) Human

there are no campaigns in russia to apologise for its horrible history of brutality and and oppression that deported and killed millions of non-russians on a scale unimaginable to us. likewise turkey, which has a 1000 year record of empire that was built on slavery.

iconoclastic destruction could go on for years before the shame was eradicated

Jun 9, 2020 -- 10:38PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Congratulations aaronh you spineless turd

Whats up buddy

one thing I am ashamed of is the BBC

#defundtheBBC

I think thats already on the way thats why nobody at the BBC seems to care anymore

Jun 9, 2020 -- 11:21PM, grappler wrote:

there are no campaigns in russia to apologise for its horrible history of brutality and and oppression that deported and killed millions of non-russians on a scale unimaginable to us. likewise turkey, which has a 1000 year record of empire that was built on slavery. iconoclastic destruction could go on for years before the shame was eradicated

What does it have to do you with if the Russians and Turkish want to be insecure, immature mugs that can't handle their own history in a display of fake patriotism?

Do you want the rest of the world to see you as insecure, immature mugs too because you are too fragile to handle a bit of history?

Jun 9, 2020 -- 7:18PM, Charlie wrote:

I'm proud to be British. I'm also ashamed of the many recent posters on Chit-Chat who apparently can't accept any criticism that we may have done wrong in the past and still do.

+1

Jun 9, 2020 -- 10:35PM, grappler wrote:

the british unilaterally abolished slavery when nobody else thought it a problem, and it carried on into the 20th century in africa and the middle east, despite british efforts to end it. slavery was around for millennia, until the british tried to end it. a lot is said about the atlantic slave trade but nothing about the ottoman turk version, the greatest of all, or the islamic version which still goes on.but they wont be tearing down statues in turkey or the middle east. theyd be shot.why did so many advances in science and medicine happen in the u.k? because the spirit of intellectual inquiry only existed here. you were free from arbitrary arrest and murder, hence the vicious lampooning of the ruling class by people like hogarth and gilray. this could not happen elsewhere which is why every revolutionary from kossuth to marx and lenin found themselves here. similarly, the industrial revolution was a peculiarly british phenomenon that produced railways and scientific advances that would never have happened elsewhere. its instructive that 2 british universities have garnered more nobel prizes than whole continents. thats not an accident.and have you ever considered why every major sport you can think of emanated in the u.k? for similar reasons.and before all the loons start raving, im not a nostalgic empire-lover, but a sense of historical perspective is required, but seldom demonstrated by those who condemn the uk by contemporary mores but entirely fail to apply the same critical faculties to the so-called 'oppressed'. the british did not invent the charming indian practice of burning women alive when the old man died; they tried to end it. are they to be condemned for that? nor did they invent polygyny or fgm, a source of so much misery in africa and the middle east.i could bore on, but you lot will never get it

Portugal got there before us actually!

There's quite a long history of abolishing slavery (in one form or another) and also reintroducing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

Up until a few months I thought I had a handle on what it meant to be British.  We were independent, fiercely jealous of our individual liberties and alert to government overreach/p iss taking.  It seems I misjudged us.  Our response was almost identical to the frenchies, the yanks, the aussies etc.  There is a global/beehive mindset: deferential to authority, easily cowed into giving up individual rights and economic freedoms, instinctly this mindset will turn to government for solutions.   Easily programmable, easily frightened no different to anyone else really.

people acted like there were brave freedom fighters in supporting Brexit and then handwring at the slightest sign of direct action being taken if it's not them

a lot of it is just that these people want their kind to be deferential but revert back to being incredibly protective of government and often supporting authoritarian measures if it ain't them

peter zshilton was trending on twatter last night getting battered,quite funny the marradona clips been replayed,
he said tory,s have a 80 seat majority if you doint like it go live in a dictatorship ,
after 12,000 replies still didnt understand what he,d said ,
nice to see good old tommy and the FLA are mobilising at the weekend to protect our heritage, apparently tommy,s got the protecting ronald mcdonald gig, and the millwall headhunter,s guarding SPUD YOU LIKE,

Embarrassed, not ashamed.

I think anyone taking personal pride because of someone else's achievements or from the mere fact of having been born in a particular place because of it's history needs to assess their own life frankly.

Most people now will be a loss as to what being British is back when I was growing up it was simple, it was white people who's ancestors had also been born here now it seems that anyone who is here on the island or as ever been here can claim to be British

I think for most on here being British means to own a  stone clad house on a 70s housing estate  complete with gnarling dogs,stinking barbeque,screaming kids,St Georges flag ,a caravan out the front  and a holiday in Benidorm and a weekly visit to the local pub ,the one draped in 'sky sports' banners over on the rough estate

feck me

I think anyone taking personal pride because of someone else's achievements or from the mere fact of having been born in a particular place because of it's history needs to assess their own life frankly.

And obviously no one should feel guilt or be criticised for the actions of people who existed 300 years ago
on the particular piece of land the former were born on.

we're probably more instrumental in slavery now than then as we all use products mnufcd in Bangladesh  using modern slave workforce

Im ashamed with the way we have become a nation of selfish cowards over the corona nonsense.

I'd put being British with Class ie both are born eg generations with a long history to boot; Class cannot be acquired, and a product of heritage.

in AWF  ...the famous line where Neville (in that posh bar) said  he 'felt more of a foreigner here than he did in Germany'.

That's where  we're at ...UK is full of DIFFERENT people and different languages ...the UK is merely an umbrella (Italian word that you know?)

auf wiedersehen pet series 2

When most of us were growing up we were taught to be proud of our country, so that meant following the national sports teams and supporting Britain in the Olympics. It also meant that if the IRA or muslim terrorist bombed any city in the UK we felt sad often anger but also a sense that we had all been attacked.
My youngest son who is 23 and most  of his generation but certainly not all a largely indifferent to what happens to other parts of Britain, they  have some interest in what has happened but no more connection than if it happened elsewhere in the world. If it doesn’t affect them  personally then its just another day in a crazy world.
Been taught to be proud of your country was glue that kept the country together and that is what used to make  us strong.

the same people who think like that have just presided  over the biggest shoite show this countries had in over 75,years,while at the same time countries who not so long ago would have been labled tin pot,3rd world,by using high tech,organisation,quick decisive decision making,have made our efforts look tin pot,3rd world,
sit back and british exceptionalism will do the job,same mindset,planning been used over leaving the EU

at least we now all no it wont be alright on the night

I believe it's inevitable erosion of one's identity eg British(ness) will happen if there is unchecked immigration or immigration dominated by an ethnic group non-conducive to its value, religion, custom and tradition even rule of law.

what is Britishness though ? a lot of what we have has come from overseas ... United Kingdom is how we address our country ,Britain (and the commonwealth) sounds very much from a bygone era  of steam trains and hop picking .

Geographically we are still Brits

look at the brexit mans staple diet of fry ups,Kebabs,Chinese,Curries and BBQs in the garden ...4 out of 5  from overseas

cheering 11 migrant footballers at emirates, remember when tommy and the boys wouldnt recognise john barnes goal in brazil,

most Of this green and pleasant land is owned by 1% of the people.

The toff lickspittle on here are mugs. Same as it ever was. Slaves to the Land Owners.

I think anyone taking persona offence because of someone else's achievements or from the mere fact of having been born in a particular place because of it's history needs to assess their own life frankly.

Spoken like a true ignoramus

How do you think they got that land and money?

Britain’s inventions and discoveries. Read it and weep you self loathing fairies:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_and_discoveries

pot noodles shocking omission

how can i be racist( though have been banned on here for it)
i always wanted Masambula to hammer mick mcmanus

Masambula?

I remember Honey Boy Zimba

Johnny Quango would head-butt the pair out of the stadium!

The list of British inventions is impressive I can remember a Japanese industrialist say that 36% of all the world's inventions were by Britain

Real Name: Please tell us

Aliases: Masambula

DOB: 03/1917

Born: Gambia

Died: 03/2007

Lived: Bradford, England

Spouse: Please tell us

Debut: 1952

Stats: Height 6'2" Weight 182lbs

Trainer: Please tell us

Signature Moves: Please tell us

Finishing Move: Please tell us

Tag Teams: The Black Knights with Honey Boy Zimba

Title History: Please tell us

Career History:

Masambula was loved by wrestling fans and his trademark celebratory move was to do a headstand against the corner post.

He played notable matches against Jackie Pallo, Mick McManus and Adrian Street. After being 'posted' by Pete Roberts in 1975, he injured his back, ending his wrestling career. The pole was allegedly faulty and he successfully sued the promoters. Masambula died in March 2007.

I can remember reading something about how big wrestling was back then they never played the same arena twice in one season such was popularity of the sport it all came crashing down when a total middle class janker took it off the telly. A bad omen for things to come

went too see les kellett and kendo nagazaki once in the local cinema, fantastic night as a kid with dad

Wow

Was Masambula Johnny Kwango?

wrestling 4.00 sat on world of sport, waiting for the small caption under it, latest score

I loved Kendo Nagasaki

no, theres kwango for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y36lEzxMTs

listen to the ladies in the crowd

im sure that masambula was known for his head butt

Was kendo gorgeous George an item?

watch it, it great   , jackie palio having a go at some lady

aidrian street was on the card i saw as well, honestly an old lady starting hitting him

listen to 4.29 in to the video, he mentions love thy neighbour, seems johonny was in some of them

A lot of people thought  Adrian Street was a —— and many made the mistake of saying it to his face.

Jun 10, 2020 -- 6:07PM, elisjohn wrote:

wrestling 4.00 sat on world of sport, waiting for the small caption under it, latest score

And the super-mug punt ITV 7.

But we wer ‘appy

when a thread gets hijacked by the wrestling mafia, its game over

just ask the tennis forumites

i had a 2 1/2p yankee or whatever its called on the itv7 i remember about 5 winning i recall one horse in it brady, only had a few quid winnings