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mukdahan
09 Jun 20 18:53
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At its peak the British Empire controlled 27% of the world, they achieved this by using its wealth, its armies and its navy to defeat rival European countries and to conquer local peoples to establish its empire.  They also carried out many atrocitities like introducing concentration camps, Armristar massacre, Indian famine Mau Mau rising to name but a few, so are you ashamed to be British because of what happened in the past, or is history something that we learn from and should not be so judgemental about?

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By:
saddo
When: 09 Jun 20 18:56
Anyone here ashamed can easily bugger off to a country without shame if one exists. Easy innit.
By:
mad mad moon
When: 09 Jun 20 19:01
Are the Danes ashamed of their Viking heritage?
By:
mukdahan
When: 09 Jun 20 19:04
Seems recently we need to apologise for everything we did in the past and try to erase it from history, its like people feel the need to cleanse themselves of our history
By:
saddo
When: 09 Jun 20 19:05
I didn't do anything in the past, so feck the lot of em.
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Jun 20 19:08
the whole worlds protesting,taking statues down, having failed completely to deal with corona maybe we,re just joining to try and hide in the background
By:
saddo
When: 09 Jun 20 19:11
We're? Don't include everyone in your incessant anti UK campaign.
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 19:15
Do any broader groups besides the wannabe conservative social media grifters even want you to think that you should walk around head down ashamed of your mere existence?
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Jun 20 19:16
to quote a certain DORIS IN MARCH

its time someone came out of the phone box like superman and turn this virus away without disrupting the econonmy or thepeople

66,000 deaths later and the country bankrupt,oh how the rest of the world are laughing,

we,re 3rd bottom in the whole world league on how a country,s fought corona, and doris and handjob are proud of the way they've handled it
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Jun 20 19:18
I'm proud to be British. I'm also ashamed of the many recent posters on Chit-Chat who apparently can't accept any criticism that we may have done wrong in the past and still do.
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Jun 20 19:21
anyone watching that in limbo last night ,should be ashamed to be british
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 09 Jun 20 19:21
Yes, I identify as a Welsh European.
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 09 Jun 20 19:22
up the celts!
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 09 Jun 20 19:22
We are apparently a nation of immigrants ie Romans Danes Anglo Saxons Normans Vikings all of them invaders and you wonder why we had an empire
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 19:23
As a German I also know a thing or two about being from a country whose history isn't all Goethe and roses. In Germany it's not about being ashamed for being German or any nonsense like that. It's simply about having a sober view on the past. We don't scuff our feet, endlessly bemoaning how ashamed we are for our mere existence.

From what I've seen in the British media, and also this forum, I don't see it any different in the UK. To me it looks like simply about having a balanced view on history.

Of course there are probably some people here and there who want you to be ashamed, but by and large it mostly seem to be social media grifters from the alt-right who push the narrative that the good patriotic Brit must stand up against the media and liberal nasty elite wanting to put you into an eternal state of shame when the liberals really don't.
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 19:24
It's a bunch of alt-right grifters riling people up against something that isn't even happening.
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 09 Jun 20 19:25
Wo kommst du herr?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 09 Jun 20 19:30
Proud to be from newcastle
Proud to be english
Proud to be british
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 19:40
Originally Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

And this shame thing from the alt-right about Britishness/Germanness extends to other things. They spread a similar total nonsense narrative to their crowd about the liberals/leftists/whatever wanting you to be ashamed of being white. Or being a male. Or worst of all - a white male. The alt-righters implant a victimhood mentality regarding those things that then makes people put up stickers that say "It's ok to be white".

Well, of course it's ok to be white. Of course it's ok to be male. Of course it's ok to be British, and to be a proud Brit. Ain't nobody of note telling you it isn't. It's just a really stupid narrative created by the alt-righters that the liberals want British white males to walk down the street in eternal shame, scuffing their feet, being heartbroken about their birth sin of having been born a white male Brit.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 09 Jun 20 19:43
edy clueless springs to mind
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 09 Jun 20 19:43
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. It just roll off the tongueLaugh


Agree with you though.
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By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 09 Jun 20 19:54
Richie_Burnett • June 9, 2020 7:45 PM BST

You ain't woke, Denzoil, you're just a bigot. Home counties toff who wouldn't last 5 minutes in the streets.

Laugh
It's a good un you can have that one
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 09 Jun 20 19:56
Edy, it's not being driven by the Alt-Right in this country.
By:
macarony
When: 09 Jun 20 20:21
I am embarrassed by the amount of Rs licking that some Brits are doing.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 09 Jun 20 20:36

Jun 9, 2020 -- 6:56PM, saddo wrote:


Anyone here ashamed can easily bugger off to a country without shame if one exists. Easy innit.


Spot on saddo, Wink

By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Jun 20 20:38
10,000 English football fans every summer were proud to be british,those proud brits on here were always suggesting they lock,m up and throw away the key, make me ashamed to be british,etc,etc but their Brexit supporters, so probably the forum today woiuld say the police should leave them alone
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 20:52

Jun 9, 2020 -- 7:56PM, HonkyJoe wrote:


Edy, it's not being driven by the Alt-Right in this country.


Well, who does?

On this forum I don't see the leftists/liberals broadly telling you to be ashamed (and indeed you see Charlie and yhtl declaring themselves as proud Brits in this thread. And might I say - the only ones who specifically did while the others ranted about traitors who can fook off, or about danes. I hope I didn't insult either by associating them more with the left).

I don't see it The Grauniad, The Independent or anything either. I think it's possible, probaby likely, that things like potential criticism are viewed differently depending on where you stand politically, other experiences and whatnot. Maybe I view it as far too relaxed because I was brought up in a country that was always very sober about its darkest hours (solely because we were forced to). Maybe you experience it as more critical than it's likely meant to be because in Britain there seems to be a lot more nostalgic romanticisation of the history and criticism then seems extra harsh when it comes.

Really, and I can only say it again, the way I see it, parts of the alt-right, new-right and far-right are playing a nasty game in installing a victimhood mentality, predominantly targeting white males with it. They are telling white males that the metropolitan elites and liberals are attacking them constantly and want them to be ashamed of their mere existence or their citizenship. I get the impression people really buy into that, and to me as someone who is also a white male it's ****g weird. Be proud and don't let the alt-righters manifest the idea and mindset that the world and liberals are against white males, or people being proud of their country of origin. They are not. Not at all.

By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Jun 20 20:58
were no different to usa country split down the middle and tory,s like trump willappeal to their mew Brexit base,egged on by ukiop,brexit party,and those even further to the right football lads alliance,britan 1st,etc,etc,
think we better be hoping for a dreary wet summer
By:
macarony
When: 09 Jun 20 20:58
The leftist liberals hate the white British including the ones on here you just mentioned
By:
Platini
When: 09 Jun 20 21:03
Come off it Edy, victimhood and the politics of oppression has been in the far left's playbook for centuries. It might even have been a German that came up with it.Wink
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 21:06
Yeah, Hitler told the white males they were victims of the liberal elites.
By:
Platini
When: 09 Jun 20 21:09
not that German

not that century

Laugh
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 21:13
The AfD in their careful creation and fostering of a victimhood fairytale in especially Eastern Germany?
By:
macarony
When: 09 Jun 20 21:18
You old enough to have been in the Hitler youth edy so I believe you
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Jun 20 21:21
I never used to be ashamed to be British but given the ****ing woeful state of our Politics, ScumMedia, Woke Universities, Disgraceful National Broadcaster, Police force that lets real criminals off and spends it's time making up "Hate Crimes" etc, it's increasingly going that way.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 09 Jun 20 21:22
More ashamed some of you are British mukdahan,

Our forefathers would have been ashamed of you and wondered what they fought World Wars for.
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 21:23

Jun 9, 2020 -- 9:18PM, macarony wrote:


You old enough to have been in the Hitler youth edy so I believe you


Happy

By:
mukdahan
When: 09 Jun 20 21:32
I know what we fought war and it wasn"t for every record to be destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture to be repainted, every statue and street to be renamed and every date to be altered or for history to stop
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Jun 20 21:34
Funny how the Bengal famine was caused by overpopulation, a devastating cyclone, and the Japanese invading Burma and in addition to slaughtering and torturing 10000s of locals, cutting off the rice supply to a Bengal that relied on imports, driving refugees out in to Bengal to add to the misery, and other factors such as inter Indian State protectionism, all at a time of the worlds worst war right on Bengals doorstep making it the front line of a war zone.

But I suppose it must be the nasty white Brits to blame, as usual, it always is.


The japanese didn't have rape camps and genocidal weapon labs, they were inventing Mario Bros..
By:
edy
When: 09 Jun 20 21:41
Coincidentally I think the Japanese are also throwing hissy fits when someone wants to teach about rape camps.
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