Slavery Question

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From A brief for whitey, by Pat Buchanan…

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Did you know? About half a million Negro slaves were brought to America, over two million were taken to Brazil. Today tens of millions of descendants of these slaves live in total squalor no different from the worst slums in Africa. They only dream of the plush lifestyle of American blacks.

For some reason that's not the point.

That's a perspective I've never heard

We did not have to catch slaves as the slaves were rounded up BLACK African kings/tribal chiefs who sold them to us.

Any chance of getting the money back to pay for the recent damages?

Sorry. I thought it was rhetorical

How did the English catch the slaves? Use big nets?
Ever thought they used brute force and cash?

From A brief for whitey, by Pat Buchanan…

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

A pretty sick idea.

Are there any better countries for blacks aside from US and UK I can't think of any

You added two unnecessary words: "of any".

attaining the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known is a pretty sick idea?

Are there any better countries for blacks aside from US and UK I can't think of any

China? Saudi Arabia? Scotland?

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:11PM, lux wrote:

attaining the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known is a pretty sick idea?

So you think that attaining the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known is true?

I'll happily stand corrected...

My pleasure. You are wrong.

And Wakanda doesn't count

I presume you believe slavery is the greatest level of freedom?

Clearly not

???

lux
You lost me I must have misunderstood what your message was. Apologies if I did.

I presume you believe slavery is the greatest level of freedom?

Maybe we should ask the thousands of slaves currently existing in Saudi, Kuwait and most Middle Eastern countries... Although nobody appears concerned with them.

If the media have their way all whites will be slaves to history forevermore.

lux
Perhaps my use of the word sick was interpreted as the modern day usage of it (for some unknown reason). I meant it as bad, very bad, in no way good.

1 in a 200 of the world's population is currently in slavery.

If the anti-slave brigade what something to complain about that would be the place to start.

In answer to the OP European merchants purchased slaves from Africans. Many were POWs and people kidnapped from other tribes and taken to the coast for sale. It follows the tradition of selling them to the middle east through the Sahara route before the Europeans got involved. The middle east took slaves from Europe and Asia also.

Most reasonable people quite rightly condemn the Pakistani (and other) grooming gangs. You cannot argue rationally any sort of defense for them. Most rational people also, quite rightly, condemn any sex-trafficking gangs of any nationality. The perpetrators are the scum of the earth and god knows how much damage they have done to their victims and the victims' families.

Some people, above, and on other threads appear to be saying it was ok for Britain to do much the same if not worse because it was a while ago. Twisted people.

Given the chance most Africans would swap lives with the black British or American.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:41PM, Injera wrote:

Given the chance most Africans would swap lives with the black British or American.

Evidence? No just bias.

Been to 4 countries in Africa. My experience was the same in each place. Absolute poverty and a strong desire to leave. The thousands upon thousands who have drowned in the Med would suggest the risks of leaving Africa are worth it.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:40PM, Charlie wrote:

Most reasonable people quite rightly condemn the Pakistani (and other) grooming gangs. You cannot argue rationally any sort of defense for them. Most rational people also, quite rightly, condemn any sex-trafficking gangs of any nationality. The perpetrators are the scum of the earth and god knows how much damage they have done to their victims and the victims' families.Some people, above, and on other threads appear to be saying it was ok for Britain to do much the same if not worse because it was a while ago. Twisted people.

Charlie we have common ground

Probably hundreds of thousands if not millions or billions.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:40PM, Charlie wrote:

Most reasonable people quite rightly condemn the Pakistani (and other) grooming gangs. You cannot argue rationally any sort of defense for them. Most rational people also, quite rightly, condemn any sex-trafficking gangs of any nationality. The perpetrators are the scum of the earth and god knows how much damage they have done to their victims and the victims' families.Some people, above, and on other threads appear to be saying it was ok for Britain to do much the same if not worse because it was a while ago. Twisted people.

It is about historical context.

100 years for now if woman dominate society and men are being discriminated against people might look back at people today and say 'why was nothing done to protect men during Covid19 as clearly they were more likely to die?'.

People are not worried about this issue right now though. It is barely mentioned. There is no white paper on it or special advise.

Spell it out Denzil btt I can guess your answer, you are shallow.

Most reasonable people quite rightly condemn the Pakistani (and other) grooming gangs. You cannot argue rationally any sort of defense for them. Most rational people also, quite rightly, condemn any sex-trafficking gangs of any nationality. The perpetrators are the scum of the earth and god knows how much damage they have done to their victims and the victims' families.



But none of the protesters have ever given a thought to the grooming gangs. Something they can get involved with now, not an historical situation which they cannot change. Something tangible which they choose to ignore. Why?? I reckon they're hypocrites. It's easy for them to virtue signal when the same things are going on 200 miles away and they turn a blind eye. Probably because whitey is the victim and it doesn't suit their prejudices.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:51PM, Charlie wrote:

Spell it out Denzil btt I can guess your answer, you are shallow.

I agree with your post ignoramus

Charlie

I understood you perfectly.

Slavery is abhorrent, clearly. However that isn't to deny that it did (generally speaking) facilitate a significant improvement in living conditions for those of African heritage. That isn't in any way a justification, merely an observation.

It is about historical context.
No it's not. It's about what is right and what is wrong.

100 years for now if woman dominate society and men are being discriminated against people might look back at people today and say 'why was nothing done to protect men during Covid19 as clearly they were more likely to die?'.
Don't try and predict the future you can't even get the present day correct.

People are not worried about this issue right now though. It is barely mentioned. There is no white paper on it or special advise.
This issue? Racism. Get real.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:56PM, lux wrote:

CharlieI understood you perfectly.Slavery is abhorrent, clearly. However that isn't to deny that it did (generally speaking) facilitate a significant improvement in living conditions for those of African heritage. That isn't in any way a justification, merely an observation.

A significant increase in living conditions. Whisk 'em off from their families, chain 'em up, flog 'em, work 'em to death, starve 'em to death, shag their women. Sounds idyllic.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 2:56PM, Charlie wrote:

It is about historical context.No it's not. It's about what is right and what is wrong. 100 years for now if woman dominate society and men are being discriminated against people might look back at people today and say 'why was nothing done to protect men during Covid19 as clearly they were more likely to die?'.Don't try and predict the future you can't even get the present day correct.People are not worried about this issue right now though. It is barely mentioned. There is no white paper on it or special advise.This issue? Racism. Get real.

Racism by whom?

One cop in the USA?

Racism by whom?

You are really dim. Read some of the above posts.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 3:02PM, Charlie wrote:

Racism by whom?You are really dim. Read some of the above posts.

I have. Where is the racism?

That cop hasn't proven to be racist

Things to do. I'll continue tomorrow when hopefully you will have some reason arguments not just personal bias.

Floydy is a proven criminal if that helps

“because it was a while ago   


Those involved have been dead for centuries.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 3:04PM, Charlie wrote:

Things to do. I'll continue tomorrow when hopefully you will have some reason arguments not just personal bias.

I don't see what you are talking about. Sorry

Jun 8, 2020 -- 3:04PM, Charlie wrote:

Things to do. I'll continue tomorrow when hopefully you will have some reason arguments not just personal bias.

Pot kettle bl..k

I see the usual spammers on here must be edy night off the sole purpose of their posts is spam the thread into oblivion

Charlie should be on edys topic about Bozos dick; as i reckon Charlie has a massive wanger......

right in the middle of his forehead

The Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade involved the transportation by slave traders of enslaved African people, mainly to the Americas. The slave trade regularly used the triangular trade route and its Middle Passage, and existed from the 16th to the 19th centuries. The vast majority of those who were enslaved and transported in the transatlantic slave trade were people from Central and West Africa, who had been sold by other West Africans to Western European slave traders (with a small number being captured directly by the slave traders in coastal raids), who brought them to the Americas.

Wow, who would of thought it. So the ancestors of the BLM protesters enslaved their own people? You cannot sink much lower than that. I mean enslaving your own people! This is a revelation to me, I just cannot fathom this. The hypocrisy! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

There it is in black and white good research SV

Jun 8, 2020 -- 3:26PM, Baphornet wrote:

Charlie should be on edys topic about Bozos dick; as i reckon Charlie has a massive wanger......right in the middle of his forehead

hey bap, I like Charlie, he speaks his mind and you can have a barney with him knowing he won't run to the mods to get you banned. Hope you are well and winning.

Baphornet • June 8, 2020 9:26 PM BST
Charlie should be on edys topic about Bozos dick; as i reckon Charlie has a massive wanger......

right in the middle of his forehead

I wonder if it's black

Hey Steve, check out 'Indentured' Irish slaves in the Caribbean Barbados and Montserrat in particular, Other Europeans as well. Slavery is a very complex subject that has gone on forever, and is probably worse today than ever. When human beings are sold as chattels, the seller is colour blind, they are just regarded as property.

I had a great conversation with the curator of the Mississippi Civil Rights Museum, last year, and gave her a bit of an education on the subject that she regarded as a black only subject.

Denzil, play nice now.

i doubt that Denzil, he would have called himself Mandingo

ellp Boxy! Well & not winning. Hows your health?

Yeah good at the mo thanks Bap.

glad to hear it, every time ye go missing i ring the florists

A concise and blistering overview of the Irish trade...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mME_JVrHFRQ

Then you have people like John Carruthers Stanly happy to own over hundred slaves to work his land.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 3:58PM, Baphornet wrote:

glad to hear it, every time ye go missing i ring the florists

Love it.

Bap, don't waste good gambling money on flowers, if you must 'squander' buy a fine whiskey and get bladdered.

Great link Lux.

UK and Republic of Ireland and a handful of other Euro countries  the best countries for blacks without doubt .

Blacks will mostly all agree on that .

UK a popular destination for the Calais blacks too

well i'd rather you stay here & we get blddered together, Boxy

The UK is seen as a free ride for many coming from that continent, and we enforce that view with enormous handouts.

Good man Bap, would love to buy you a drink.

I have to say that CC seems to have become the great debating forum that it was is the past, must come on here more often.

well we'll sort that soon. Get this debacle outta the way

Sounds good to me, I'm up for it.

seeing as ye love Charlie that much, he can carry the bags

Don't push it.

take care mucker & don't let the feckers get yer down

I live in the Midlands, just spent 3 months in London where I lived for 50 years. Have car will travel. I'm paraphrasing a TV series in the 60s called Have Gun Will Travel. yes I'm a plagiarist.

i was reading about Mr Boone today. Spooooky

You too mucker. GN.

Jun 8, 2020 -- 5:01PM, Baphornet wrote:

i was reading about Mr Boone today. Spooooky

G'nite Boxy

Greay minds think alike, a fav saying of mine, shot to bits when my Grandmother replied to it with 'fools seldom differ'.

lux

Never knew that. Thanks for posting.

Slaves were physically mutilated by branding, "like sheep or cattle" by their British colonial slave owners.
This ignominious "mark of property," which served to debase enslaved people and split them off from the humanity of the master class.
It marked slaves as the living property of another, and conferred upon them an ineradicable identity with their owner.
All that were passed as fit for sale were branded by the British colonial slave merchants with a hot iron in some part of their body, with the buyer's mark.

Branding was relatively benign in comparison to how Blacks were dealt with by Arab slavers. Many more Black slaves transported to Muslim lands than the Americas yet no Black communities exist in those lands today.

They also enslaved millions of whites that why in the Napoleon invaded North Africa

Branding was relatively benign in comparison to how Blacks were dealt with by Arab slavers

Are you in the Yorkshire Police lux?

Sounds like something stupid they would say.....

....the children were not raped by grooming games they were slags. Is that what you think?

Can’t all be wrong

Branding as opposed to castration/death?

I think most reasonable people would probably express an aversion to both, however if really pushed I think you'll find most would find the former slightly less objectionable.

Your grooming gang comparison is clearly abject jibberish.

WD thinks he's being funny