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A slave trader's statue in Bristol has been torn down and thrown into the harbour during a second day of anti-racism protests across the UK.
It comes after largely peaceful demonstrations in London on Saturday ended in some clashes with police.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick urged protesters to find another way to make their views heard.
But thousands of protesters massed for a second day outside the US embassy in London before moving towards Whitehall.
Other protests are also taking place in Manchester, Wolverhampton, Nottingham, Glasgow and Edinburgh.
In Bristol, protesters used ropes to pull down the bronze statue of Edward Colston, a prominent 17th Century slave trader, who has been a source of controversy in the city for many years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305
It comes after largely peaceful demonstrations in London on Saturday ended in some clashes with police.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick urged protesters to find another way to make their views heard.
But thousands of protesters massed for a second day outside the US embassy in London before moving towards Whitehall.
Other protests are also taking place in Manchester, Wolverhampton, Nottingham, Glasgow and Edinburgh.
In Bristol, protesters used ropes to pull down the bronze statue of Edward Colston, a prominent 17th Century slave trader, who has been a source of controversy in the city for many years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305
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James 2 of course was deposed for his religious beliefs
With William 3 invited to take over the throne alongside jamess daughter Mary 2
With William 3 invited to take over the throne alongside jamess daughter Mary 2
James 2 and William 3 statues evoke much hostility today
Not for their slaves, but because of the split they widened in
British society.
Not for their slaves, but because of the split they widened in
British society.
I am from Bristol and in my opinion the statue should have stayed there purely on the History of what Colston did for this City with his money. Whether people like it or not that he was a slave trader, that is what he was (along with trading other products). If it wasn't for him Bristol wouldn't be the place it is today (that will apply to a lot of places). The statue wasn't put up 140 years ago to "celebrate" that he was a slave trader, it was to honour him for pretty much the money he left for the poor, in the town he was born and left as a teenager.
There has been controversy over the years regarding the statue, but if there was that many people against it then why hasn't been removed before? Maybe because a lot more people wanted to keep it as it because of his huge part he has played in the History of Bristol, it may well have been more controversial to remove it and cause even more trouble.
Should it have been taken down and put in a museum etc? Maybe it should, but that should have been done with some sort vote/petition etc (all have failed in the past though), regardless it certainly should not have been taken down by the people that done it yesterday with the Police just standing there letting them get on with it. Setting these sorts of precedents is a dangerous game to play.
As for the City itself, we have "Marvellous" Marvin Rees as a Mayor, who basically said today that in his 4 years since becoming Mayor he didn't get the statue removed because he was busy doing other sh1t. The bloke is a complete and utter knob, still he is going to deliver us a £4 billion pound underground in the next 7 years though, we are going to be Diesel free or fined in the City centre soon although I think that date has changed now (it also excludes him and his Council workers obviously), and he also put a list of his 100 achievements in the local paper which included "calling a meeting of 200 people together", "hosted a chess tournament" and held a "Taxi drivers conference". Oh and yes, it is full of Millennials who think the whole World is against them (see yesterday), who are attending the University that was funded by Colston.
As for comparing him to Saville, well that is just odd isn't it.
There has been controversy over the years regarding the statue, but if there was that many people against it then why hasn't been removed before? Maybe because a lot more people wanted to keep it as it because of his huge part he has played in the History of Bristol, it may well have been more controversial to remove it and cause even more trouble.
Should it have been taken down and put in a museum etc? Maybe it should, but that should have been done with some sort vote/petition etc (all have failed in the past though), regardless it certainly should not have been taken down by the people that done it yesterday with the Police just standing there letting them get on with it. Setting these sorts of precedents is a dangerous game to play.
As for the City itself, we have "Marvellous" Marvin Rees as a Mayor, who basically said today that in his 4 years since becoming Mayor he didn't get the statue removed because he was busy doing other sh1t. The bloke is a complete and utter knob, still he is going to deliver us a £4 billion pound underground in the next 7 years though, we are going to be Diesel free or fined in the City centre soon although I think that date has changed now (it also excludes him and his Council workers obviously), and he also put a list of his 100 achievements in the local paper which included "calling a meeting of 200 people together", "hosted a chess tournament" and held a "Taxi drivers conference". Oh and yes, it is full of Millennials who think the whole World is against them (see yesterday), who are attending the University that was funded by Colston.
As for comparing him to Saville, well that is just odd isn't it.
I also have to congratulate Alex Beresford who brought up the roads "Blackboy Hill" and "Whiteladies Road" in an interview this morning on GMB which are obviously racist and need to go, and Susanna Reid this morning said when she was here the names "even when you said that my skin crawled". Not one of them wanted to correct him (including our great Mayor marvellous Marvin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJinZu0NzQ
2:50 into the video - utterly clueless.
The pair of them need to go and get a History lesson rather than shouting about everything "black" being racist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJinZu0NzQ
2:50 into the video - utterly clueless.
The pair of them need to go and get a History lesson rather than shouting about everything "black" being racist.
Why is a comparison to Savile odd
They both covered their backs with charity work
They both had statues removed
Neither statue will be back in place
They both covered their backs with charity work
They both had statues removed
Neither statue will be back in place
Why does the name 'Blackboy Hill' make Susanna Reid's skin crawl?.....
We can dispel the much-loved Bristol myth concerning how Blackboy Hill actually got its name.
BEFORE starting on a 'proper' history of Blackboy Hill, let's blow away the cobwebs and dispel a few old myths. Just as there were never any 'nuns in white habits' - or white ladies - in the road of that name (legend places an old nunnery on the site of the Whiteladies Cinema)
So there were never any 'black boys' on Blackboy Hill (despite the city's appalling record in the slave trade). It's one of those well-beloved Bristol myths that the Georgian gentry gathered here for slave boy auctions.
It's rubbish, of course, although slave boys did exist in Bristol even before the slave trade really got going. By 1600 Africans were common in London and Queen Elizabeth I talked of the 'great' numbers of Negars and Blackamoors which are crept into the realm.'
Shakespeare's Othello first acted in 1604, features a black Moor centre stage so we assume his audience must have been familiar with the negro race.
There is a pub on the hill called 'The Blackboy', but don't be fooled into thinking that this is how the name came about, because until 1988 it was known as the 'Elephant and Castle'! But we're getting close - because the hill was named after a pub of that name.
But this was demolished in 1874 for road widening as it straddled the whole highway leading up to the Downs and beyond (as you can see from the picture). How the inn itself got its name is debatable.
In the early 18th century it was called The Blackamoor's Head, it was enlarged and rebuilt between 1749 and 1756, and by 1803 had become known as The Blackboy Tavern. We know that when Shakespeare referred to people as black, he often meant they they had a dark complexion.
Over the years many historians have suggested that the pub, like many others throughout the country, was named after King Charles II (1630-85), whose skin pigment was very dark and whose nickname was the 'Black Boy'.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/2080657598
We can dispel the much-loved Bristol myth concerning how Blackboy Hill actually got its name.
BEFORE starting on a 'proper' history of Blackboy Hill, let's blow away the cobwebs and dispel a few old myths. Just as there were never any 'nuns in white habits' - or white ladies - in the road of that name (legend places an old nunnery on the site of the Whiteladies Cinema)
So there were never any 'black boys' on Blackboy Hill (despite the city's appalling record in the slave trade). It's one of those well-beloved Bristol myths that the Georgian gentry gathered here for slave boy auctions.
It's rubbish, of course, although slave boys did exist in Bristol even before the slave trade really got going. By 1600 Africans were common in London and Queen Elizabeth I talked of the 'great' numbers of Negars and Blackamoors which are crept into the realm.'
Shakespeare's Othello first acted in 1604, features a black Moor centre stage so we assume his audience must have been familiar with the negro race.
There is a pub on the hill called 'The Blackboy', but don't be fooled into thinking that this is how the name came about, because until 1988 it was known as the 'Elephant and Castle'! But we're getting close - because the hill was named after a pub of that name.
But this was demolished in 1874 for road widening as it straddled the whole highway leading up to the Downs and beyond (as you can see from the picture). How the inn itself got its name is debatable.
In the early 18th century it was called The Blackamoor's Head, it was enlarged and rebuilt between 1749 and 1756, and by 1803 had become known as The Blackboy Tavern. We know that when Shakespeare referred to people as black, he often meant they they had a dark complexion.
Over the years many historians have suggested that the pub, like many others throughout the country, was named after King Charles II (1630-85), whose skin pigment was very dark and whose nickname was the 'Black Boy'.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/2080657598
Oh dear, that's not really helping you claim to be not racist.
you-have-to-laugh---08 Jun 20 18:35
Why is a comparison to Savile odd
They both covered their backs with charity work
Was Colston slave trading in the 1970s/80s?
Why is a comparison to Savile odd
They both covered their backs with charity work
Was Colston slave trading in the 1970s/80s?
Ah so as Colston was dead before 1970 that can be no comparison.
How silly of me to miss that
How silly of me to miss that
Alex Beresford also said 'we know how many slaves he (Colston) brought into the Bristol docks..'
Do we? I cannot find any reference to these numbers. I thought companies took stuff from UK, swapped it for slaves in Africa, took slaves to America and swapped them for sugar then took sugar to UK. So how many slaves actually ended up in Bristol at places like Blackboy Hill?
Do we? I cannot find any reference to these numbers. I thought companies took stuff from UK, swapped it for slaves in Africa, took slaves to America and swapped them for sugar then took sugar to UK. So how many slaves actually ended up in Bristol at places like Blackboy Hill?
Nothing to do with the slave trade whatsoever, or indeed named after a Black Boy.
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As for the City itself, we have "Marvellous" Marvin Rees as a Mayor, who basically said today that in his 4 years since becoming Mayor he didn't get the statue removed because he was busy doing other sh1t. The bloke is a complete and utter knob, still he is going to deliver us a £4 billion pound underground in the next 7 years though, we are going to be Diesel free or fined in the City centre soon although I think that date has changed now (it also excludes him and his Council workers obviously), and he also put a list of his 100 achievements in the local paper which included "calling a meeting of 200 people together", "hosted a chess tournament" and held a "Taxi drivers conference". Oh and yes, it is full of Millennials who think the whole World is against them (see yesterday), who are attending the University that was funded by Colston.
I also live in Bristol - Marvin Rees is a complete joker - some of his plans are so outlandish that it defies belief that he has the front to talk about them. You also forgot to mention the tens of millions of council tax payers money that has been spunked into "Bristol Energy" which never stood a chance of success. Admittedly "Red trousers" (George Ferguson) was responsible for starting it but Marvellous Marvin can take credit for throwing good money after bad.
The really bad joke is that Marvin was by far the most credible candidate for the mayors job - If that's the best Bristol can come up with then it really is poor effort.
As for the City itself, we have "Marvellous" Marvin Rees as a Mayor, who basically said today that in his 4 years since becoming Mayor he didn't get the statue removed because he was busy doing other sh1t. The bloke is a complete and utter knob, still he is going to deliver us a £4 billion pound underground in the next 7 years though, we are going to be Diesel free or fined in the City centre soon although I think that date has changed now (it also excludes him and his Council workers obviously), and he also put a list of his 100 achievements in the local paper which included "calling a meeting of 200 people together", "hosted a chess tournament" and held a "Taxi drivers conference". Oh and yes, it is full of Millennials who think the whole World is against them (see yesterday), who are attending the University that was funded by Colston.
I also live in Bristol - Marvin Rees is a complete joker - some of his plans are so outlandish that it defies belief that he has the front to talk about them. You also forgot to mention the tens of millions of council tax payers money that has been spunked into "Bristol Energy" which never stood a chance of success. Admittedly "Red trousers" (George Ferguson) was responsible for starting it but Marvellous Marvin can take credit for throwing good money after bad.
The really bad joke is that Marvin was by far the most credible candidate for the mayors job - If that's the best Bristol can come up with then it really is poor effort.
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08 Jun 20 18:45
Ah so as Colston was dead before 1970 that can be no comparison.
How silly of me to miss that
I will put it in simple terms for you.
Colston was a slave trader in a time where it was deemed as acceptable (an early entrepreneur if you wish).
Jimmy Saville was a paedophile which has never been acceptable and covered up his heinous crimes (along with help from the media, BBC, Governments, Police etc).
It really is that simple and there is no comparison of the two. But you cannot judge everything in history by what is right or wrong in the present time. Shall we just flatten everything here because of Colston, or just keep the bits to suit - hospitals, schools, universities etc? He is part of the history whether people like it or not. It is not up to a mob of people to pick and choose what they want to basically vandalise anywhere in the country, just because they don't like it.
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08 Jun 20 18:45
Ah so as Colston was dead before 1970 that can be no comparison.
How silly of me to miss that
I will put it in simple terms for you.
Colston was a slave trader in a time where it was deemed as acceptable (an early entrepreneur if you wish).
Jimmy Saville was a paedophile which has never been acceptable and covered up his heinous crimes (along with help from the media, BBC, Governments, Police etc).
It really is that simple and there is no comparison of the two. But you cannot judge everything in history by what is right or wrong in the present time. Shall we just flatten everything here because of Colston, or just keep the bits to suit - hospitals, schools, universities etc? He is part of the history whether people like it or not. It is not up to a mob of people to pick and choose what they want to basically vandalise anywhere in the country, just because they don't like it.
I also live in Bristol - Marvin Rees is a complete joker - some of his plans are so outlandish that it defies belief that he has the front to talk about them. You also forgot to mention the tens of millions of council tax payers money that has been spunked into "Bristol Energy" which never stood a chance of success. Admittedly "Red trousers" (George Ferguson) was responsible for starting it but Marvellous Marvin can take credit for throwing good money after bad.
The really bad joke is that Marvin was by far the most credible candidate for the mayors job - If that's the best Bristol can come up with then it really is poor effort.
Agree Gin, and also the money spunked down by Temple Meads. A friend of mine was part of some of the work down there for the new "Events Stadium", which cost well into 7 figures. I expect they will get it all back with the congestion charge that will come in, it's not as if we haven't got great public transport services is it.........Another massive fail.
The really bad joke is that Marvin was by far the most credible candidate for the mayors job - If that's the best Bristol can come up with then it really is poor effort.
Agree Gin, and also the money spunked down by Temple Meads. A friend of mine was part of some of the work down there for the new "Events Stadium", which cost well into 7 figures. I expect they will get it all back with the congestion charge that will come in, it's not as if we haven't got great public transport services is it.........Another massive fail.
I don't think the slaves found Colston’s actions acceptable
You seem to forget that, and it's the crux of the matter.
You seem to forget that, and it's the crux of the matter.
Agree Gin, and also the money spunked down by Temple Meads. A friend of mine was part of some of the work down there for the new "Events Stadium", which cost well into 7 figures. I expect they will get it all back with the congestion charge that will come in, it's not as if we haven't got great public transport services is it.........Another massive fail.
I can only agree although I think most of the Temple Meads development was down to Red trousers - didn't they put a bridge in place that cost a couple of million that is now defunct? Along with another couple of million on road signs when they changed the speed limit to 20.
I can only agree although I think most of the Temple Meads development was down to Red trousers - didn't they put a bridge in place that cost a couple of million that is now defunct? Along with another couple of million on road signs when they changed the speed limit to 20.
Jun 8, 2020 -- 8:14PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
I don't think the slaves found Colston’s actions acceptableYou seem to forget that, and it's the crux of the matter.
What is the relevance of slave trading over 300 years ago to today?
No one for generations has anything to do with it.
Same relevance that James 2 was Catholic and William 3 a protestant
That still resonates to folk today
James 2 is last Catholic King of uk
That still resonates to folk today
James 2 is last Catholic King of uk
Jun 8, 2020 -- 8:25PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
The relevance is he was a slave trader
Thousands of people in Bristol benefits and continue to benefit from the fact 300 years ago it happened.
Does that mean people should be allowed to trash all of Bristol... or just the statue?
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08 Jun 20 19:14
I don't think the slaves found Colston’s actions acceptable
Who said they did? I just told you why comparing Colston to Saville was basically fecking stupid.
This reply to it pretty much proves my point - you are obviously fecking stupid.
What about the innocent victims of Nelson Mandela - how many got killed by his "mob"? I doubt they went a lot on it either, shall we go and remove his statues?
Innocent victims of war didn't have any choice did they, yet there are statues of leaders? Allowed/not allowed?
Taj Mahal was built by slaves wasn't it - is that ok in your opinion, or shall we go and pull it down? Or are we allowed to keep parts of history that are ok for us now, ie making money, schooling, hospitals?
Plenty more examples.
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I don't think the slaves found Colston’s actions acceptable
Who said they did? I just told you why comparing Colston to Saville was basically fecking stupid.
This reply to it pretty much proves my point - you are obviously fecking stupid.
What about the innocent victims of Nelson Mandela - how many got killed by his "mob"? I doubt they went a lot on it either, shall we go and remove his statues?
Innocent victims of war didn't have any choice did they, yet there are statues of leaders? Allowed/not allowed?
Taj Mahal was built by slaves wasn't it - is that ok in your opinion, or shall we go and pull it down? Or are we allowed to keep parts of history that are ok for us now, ie making money, schooling, hospitals?
Plenty more examples.
It's not stupid it's a good comparison
Savile and colston
You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it's a poor comparison.
It gives a similar feeling to how statues are seen.
Savile and colston
You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it's a poor comparison.
It gives a similar feeling to how statues are seen.
Gin - yes it was all started by red trousers. Once started it should have been finished imo. Then Marvin wanted to change venue (unsure if it was a bit of a middle finger to red trousers, an ego thing, or if by chance he did actually think it would be better. I think some of it will actually be used when the flats go up electric cables are put in already.
And the road signs from what I was told is something to do with Fergusons daughter, she runs some type of charity (done the blocking off the centre a couple of times), and surprisingly was getting paid by the Council, and managed to keep her job when there were job cuts.....
And the road signs from what I was told is something to do with Fergusons daughter, she runs some type of charity (done the blocking off the centre a couple of times), and surprisingly was getting paid by the Council, and managed to keep her job when there were job cuts.....
Nelson Mandela, I never mentioned him, but obviously hes
Around same time as Savile yet you see fit to bring him in
Odd that.
Around same time as Savile yet you see fit to bring him in
Odd that.
The same thugs who took down the statue support open borders, facilitating slave traders from all 4 corners into Britain. They’ll buy their cheap clothes made in sweatshops and complain when the cost of bananas go up. Sod the African grower...
Hypocrisy at its zenith.
Hypocrisy at its zenith.
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Where is this statue of Saville?
Where is this statue of Saville?
Have to say I agree with you-have-to-laugh
in fact I thought about this comparison today myself when they were discussion Colston's history which tbh, I knew nothing about til this statue toppling.
It's a very valid comparison, only difference is Colston didn't try to hide his crimes which makes the statue and the plaque that encompassed it quite remarkable, it called him a wise man, there are even schools and streets there named after him, I don't even think it's understandable because those things were decided in a different era , if you know that thousands died through no choice of their own (they were slaves being transported, not martyrs) and their bodies were dumped at sea, then it's no appropriate to celebrate a figure like that, and it wasn't just the slaves, as many crew members died from the conditions aboard as well.
The comparison can also be made to Pablo Escobar, a billionaire at death, all through criminal activity, responsible for the cocaine addictions for millions all over the America's, many people died fighting for or against him, but he paid for homes and football pitches so that's ok?
It was right the statue was removed, however not like it was, because that creates a mentality of mob rule which is never good.
in fact I thought about this comparison today myself when they were discussion Colston's history which tbh, I knew nothing about til this statue toppling.
It's a very valid comparison, only difference is Colston didn't try to hide his crimes which makes the statue and the plaque that encompassed it quite remarkable, it called him a wise man, there are even schools and streets there named after him, I don't even think it's understandable because those things were decided in a different era , if you know that thousands died through no choice of their own (they were slaves being transported, not martyrs) and their bodies were dumped at sea, then it's no appropriate to celebrate a figure like that, and it wasn't just the slaves, as many crew members died from the conditions aboard as well.
The comparison can also be made to Pablo Escobar, a billionaire at death, all through criminal activity, responsible for the cocaine addictions for millions all over the America's, many people died fighting for or against him, but he paid for homes and football pitches so that's ok?
It was right the statue was removed, however not like it was, because that creates a mentality of mob rule which is never good.
So you are comparing a paedophile, necrophiliac to a business man who brought jobs wealth and prosperity to the city, i mean to be that stupid takes alot of trying whats your next comparison mother theresa and Pol Pot.
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08 Jun 20 19:36
It's not stupid it's a good comparison
Savile and colston
You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it's a poor comparison.
It gives a similar feeling to how statues are seen
A quick google and the Saville statue was a wooden statue put up in Glasgow, and it was removed straight after he was found to have abused hundreds of people/kids - a massively covered up bunch of crimes. Not one single person complained it was removed, because there is no doubt to a single person in the country that it shouldn't be there.
Colston - a statue put up in 1895 because of his donation made to numerous charities, schools, hospitals, univerities in the City - money made partly to the slave trade that was deemed acceptable in his time. The statue was still on display in 2020 (that is 125 years). Some people are not happy about it but nobody in power has tried to remove it, and the time it was removed was by a mob of vandals. There are thousands of people who are saying it should never have been removed at all, let alone by a mob.
You think both of those are a fair comparison to eachother? This is not about if you wanted the Colston statue removed at all, it is about you saying they are a fair comparison. If you think they are then you really are more stupid than I first thought.
Ps - if you cannot work out the Mandela link then that really is on you.
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08 Jun 20 19:36
It's not stupid it's a good comparison
Savile and colston
You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it's a poor comparison.
It gives a similar feeling to how statues are seen
A quick google and the Saville statue was a wooden statue put up in Glasgow, and it was removed straight after he was found to have abused hundreds of people/kids - a massively covered up bunch of crimes. Not one single person complained it was removed, because there is no doubt to a single person in the country that it shouldn't be there.
Colston - a statue put up in 1895 because of his donation made to numerous charities, schools, hospitals, univerities in the City - money made partly to the slave trade that was deemed acceptable in his time. The statue was still on display in 2020 (that is 125 years). Some people are not happy about it but nobody in power has tried to remove it, and the time it was removed was by a mob of vandals. There are thousands of people who are saying it should never have been removed at all, let alone by a mob.
You think both of those are a fair comparison to eachother? This is not about if you wanted the Colston statue removed at all, it is about you saying they are a fair comparison. If you think they are then you really are more stupid than I first thought.
Ps - if you cannot work out the Mandela link then that really is on you.
He is one of these idiots whos knowledge of the slave trade cams from watching Roots on tv.
The comparisons about statues is irrelevant, the comparison is that both spread wealth/improved lives of those disadvantaged by killing people, either physically or mentally.
mukdahan - I think you maybe right there.
Compared to Escobar now.... Jeez - you have even just said "a billionaire at death all through criminal activity". Can you not see where the comparisons fall down.
What Colston done some 350 years ago was deemed acceptable at the time, it has nothing to do with what you, me, or anyone else think is morally acceptable now.
Compared to Escobar now.... Jeez - you have even just said "a billionaire at death all through criminal activity". Can you not see where the comparisons fall down.
What Colston done some 350 years ago was deemed acceptable at the time, it has nothing to do with what you, me, or anyone else think is morally acceptable now.
Slaves were treated a 100 times better in Liverpool, London and Bristol than they were in the plantations in America and the West Indies where they were imported from, many families can still trace their roots back to mid 17 th century.
killing nearly 100,000 people has never been acceptable to the masses at any time only the elite few who stood to gain great personal wealth that found it acceptable, it is literally the weakest argument I've ever heard. Most people in Britain at that time were extremely poor and took what was offered to them because the welfare state did not exist then, accepting the benefits of slave trading is not the same as accepting what happened from a moral point of view. They could not afford to have morals.
a slave is a slave is a slave, talking about levels of treatment is laughable.
So define what a slave is if we had lived just over 100 years ago the British government could have conscripted us sent us to war where we would have had a 40% chance of being killed or seriously injured were we slaves to our government and why did the masses allow millions to die we little or no complaint.
You live in a fantasy world where you think the masses care about each other most people care about there own lives and families thats what important to them and thats why you will always have massive injustices in this world.
Great thread, and up to now has been very civil given this is such an emotive subject. 
they don't equal Colston, but the similarities/comparisons are quite obvious and simple. You're not comparing their acts, i.e. a sexual offender to a slave trader to a drug dealer, you are drawing parallels between the way in which they all tried justified their terrible crimes (either to themselves or the public), by giving to needy/less well off in society. Though I doubt any of them were trying to atone for their sins, as their primary aim was to serve themselves.
modern day slavery in Bangladesh from where we get our clothing ..but almost encouraged today
Bristol's very own Det Eddie Shoestring on the case of the missing Bristol slave trader 
Sad to see people defending Jimmy Saville because he raised money for charity.
Well I'm off to bed now, WD you're very selective in your recollections. here's an idea try being kinder to fellow forum posters, you might actually like it. A totally foreign concept I know. but give it a go, and stop projecting your anger on to others. HTH
Statue or not, comparing Saville to Colston is obvious nonsense.
Saville was knowingly involved in criminal activity and used his charitable work to facilitate and cover up his crimes.
Colston was committing no crimes, at that time, and his charitable work/giving came from a sense of civic pride and responsibility.
To claim that both Seville and Colston did charitable work to hide their activities is rubbish, Colston had nothing to hide, uncomfortable as it today, back then it was considered trade.
Saville was knowingly involved in criminal activity and used his charitable work to facilitate and cover up his crimes.
Colston was committing no crimes, at that time, and his charitable work/giving came from a sense of civic pride and responsibility.
To claim that both Seville and Colston did charitable work to hide their activities is rubbish, Colston had nothing to hide, uncomfortable as it today, back then it was considered trade.
Nazi soldiers were following orders. Where is the difference?
No point. You would not understand. Just saying is all.
https://twitter.com/mat8iou/status/1269896135113674753
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thread on the Merchant Venturers
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British courts ruled against slavery many times
before the abolition of slavery, helping bring about
It's demise.
How anybody can ever argue slavery was not a crime is simply staggering.
before the abolition of slavery, helping bring about
It's demise.
How anybody can ever argue slavery was not a crime is simply staggering.
of course slavery is a crime , noone is denying that, but should we dethrone the queen now as her ancesters of years gone by did terrible deeds
send them back, send them back!
To Germany that is!
To Germany that is!
Jun 9, 2020 -- 10:49AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
British courts ruled against slavery many timesbefore the abolition of slavery, helping bring aboutIt's demise.How anybody can ever argue slavery was not a crime is simply staggering.
"times were different" works back then if the average person had different views on social stances for example
not if you thought owning people was ok
I mentioned James 2 and William 3 yesterday
2 men that still divide uk,
There are many that argue Royal family has had its day and many
who think they are for the good of this country.
Many of us are related to em too... Even Danny dyer..
2 men that still divide uk,
There are many that argue Royal family has had its day and many
who think they are for the good of this country.
Many of us are related to em too... Even Danny dyer..
No doubt, in a few Hundred years, those who follow us will consider some of what we allow today to be criminal/staggering, it wasn’t long ago we were jailing homosexuals, today such a proposal would be met with outrage in the UK.
Those pretending that some aren’t sickened by the history of slavery do so for their own ends, the reality remains, for much of its history slavery was not deemed criminal.
Those pretending that some aren’t sickened by the history of slavery do so for their own ends, the reality remains, for much of its history slavery was not deemed criminal.
People will look back at our time and say this was the time that free speech and democracy died
macarony
You are the Charles Barkley of the Forum, God bless you.
You are the Charles Barkley of the Forum, God bless you.
Today Millions suffer starvation whilst the World has a surplus of food, what will they make of that, looking back, in a few Hundred years, Criminal? staggering?
Why is it the case that we still have a third world?
Most if not all the world's problems are caused by this imbalance, sort this problem out and we pretty much cracked it.
But I can't work out why in the last century of technical change this is still the case
Most if not all the world's problems are caused by this imbalance, sort this problem out and we pretty much cracked it.
But I can't work out why in the last century of technical change this is still the case
There are loads of things that need to be addressed.
Looking back at history and learning from mistakes is a good start.
Looking back at history and learning from mistakes is a good start.
Jun 9, 2020 -- 12:53PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
There are loads of things that need to be addressed.Looking back at history and learning from mistakes is a good start.
Excellent point.
There are more slaves in the world today than ever in history.
They used a slavers statue as a place to highlight this...
'An unofficial guerilla art exhibit has appeared today in front of a city centre statue to link Bristol’s slave-trading history with modern-day slavery.
The work appeared this morning, depicting around 100 human figures lying in front of the statue of slave-trader merchant Edward Colston.
They were placed in a similar formation to the way millions of people from West Africa were forced to lie on board slave ships sent from Bristol and other English ports to be transported to Bristol business-owned slave plantations in the Caribbean and North America.
But the outline of the ship was made up of blocks with the kind of professions and jobs now done by modern-day slaves, living and forced to work in Bristol and Britain in 2018.
The blocks contained jobs like ‘nail bar workers’, ‘sex worker’, ‘car wash attendant’, ‘domestic servant’, ‘fruit picker’, ‘kitchen worker’ and ‘farm worker’.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/100-human-figures-placed-front-2122990
Before the millennium you never heard of modern slavery an unwitting consequence of open boarders and cheap travel
And the never ending demand for cheap labour by the establishment cheapest is best cheapest is best went the moronic cry
This colson mush he left his money to Bristol was it the form of trust and if so is there any money still in trust and is there any trustees?
Looks like the tearing down of the statue has started something.
Are you whingers going to stay in dark rooms behind closed curtains. Get out there and defend these statues!
Are you whingers going to stay in dark rooms behind closed curtains. Get out there and defend these statues!
Jun 7, 2020 -- 10:25PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Jun 7, 2020 -- 9:22PM, edy wrote:Is the DFL some neo-nazi hooligan group like the FLA?No such thing as 'neo-nazi' groups in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/four-uk-neo-nazis-jailed-for-membership-of-national-action
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How many have they arrested so far?
You couldn't have got any clearer pics.
I expect all the rhetoric was just a smokescreen and instead of hundreds we will be lucky to see double figures.
You couldn't have got any clearer pics.
I expect all the rhetoric was just a smokescreen and instead of hundreds we will be lucky to see double figures.
I think they're getting done for Harbouring a criminal
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-10-20/h_67186cfdb1ee9e6d2281370d4f50d9b1
The state of that sign
"Racism you will not be missed"
They are tearing down people's history and nothing
Its that easy for them
The state of that sign
"Racism you will not be missed"
They are tearing down people's history and nothing
Its that easy for them
Banksy suggesting they put up a statue of them
pulling down the statue.
pulling down the statue.
Calling a couple of fantasists Nazis because they have certain views even think of themselves as been a Nazis is wrong.
The Nazis were a capable highly ideologically driven group who brought the world to the brink of destruction, thankfully they ceased to exist in the mid to late 40s. No one or no group as ever came close in terms of ability the Nazis stand alone
The Nazis were a capable highly ideologically driven group who brought the world to the brink of destruction, thankfully they ceased to exist in the mid to late 40s. No one or no group as ever came close in terms of ability the Nazis stand alone
They like to throw around that term but as you say mac no group has that ability in today's world, the groups out there are controlled and bought for
Columbus, a 15th-century Italian explorer, is a deeply controversial figure in the United States and held responsible for paving the way for European exploration and colonization of the Americas.
They actually make that sound a bad thing? the piece of filth who wrote that wouldn't be here if it wasn't for "colonisation", do these people actually think before coming out with this guff?
They actually make that sound a bad thing? the piece of filth who wrote that wouldn't be here if it wasn't for "colonisation", do these people actually think before coming out with this guff?
Its like they'd be prepared to cause a paradox, if these t*ats had a time machine they'd cause untold damage ffs
Bristol Mayor @MarvinJRees shares that a commission of historians and city placemakers will undertake research to understand Bristol’s true history and help educate discussions on our future. (1/2)https://bit.ly/2YmECsR
Yup rewriting history before your very eyes
Openly just admitting it now
Yup rewriting history before your very eyes
Openly just admitting it now
pretty ironic that all these statues related to slavery are being targeted when modern day economic slavery is alive and well...to paraphrase the famous quote, physical slaves require food & water, economic slaves provide food & water for themselves
Did every white person a hundred plus years ago hold views on race that are unacceptable by today's standards.
It appears that many of the Suffragettes who were are idolised only last year also held racist views.
It appears that many of the Suffragettes who were are idolised only last year also held racist views.
Wonder
We are worse nowadays, we believe we're free in our own minds but are anything but
Slavery will always exist, its just nowadays they've got people believing they chose it
We are worse nowadays, we believe we're free in our own minds but are anything but
Slavery will always exist, its just nowadays they've got people believing they chose it
A statue of a slave trader that was thrown into a harbour by anti-racism protestors has been retrieved from the water.
Bristol City Council said it needed to be removed from the water because the city had a "working harbour".
The statue will be taken to a secure location before becoming a museum exhibit, the authority said.
Bristol City Council said it needed to be removed from the water because the city had a "working harbour".
The statue will be taken to a secure location before becoming a museum exhibit, the authority said.
It should be in a museum. It is a greT work of art. Now there is even more history involved. They can say how i5 was removed and thrown into the water and how this single act by the people of Bristol started a movement fir truth and education all over the World.
I am against the destruction and desecration of art and history. The statue of Jedward Couldon is a great asset in the teaching of how this great country came to be and it should be cherished.
I am against the destruction and desecration of art and history. The statue of Jedward Couldon is a great asset in the teaching of how this great country came to be and it should be cherished.
Jun 11, 2020 -- 7:48AM, tictacman1 wrote:
A statue of a slave trader that was thrown into a harbour by anti-racism protestors has been retrieved from the water.Bristol City Council said it needed to be removed from the water because the city had a "working harbour".The statue will be taken to a secure location before becoming a museum exhibit, the authority said.
What paid for this? Hopefully the thugs that threw it in the water can work off the time whilst in prison.
for these thugs
Good point
Riot Season is just over 6 weeks away. We need to get back to work or it will kick off for whatever reason.
Mark Duggan was e e used by the Police in the August.
Do you think the thugs, many of them were school kids at the afternoon riot shift gave a rats a*rse about the thug and parasite Mark Duggan. Did they even know who he was or care?
Some wanted to attack the Police but I suggest most were just having fun on a hot summer day and if the Po Po stood back and let them do it, they did!
Riot Season is just over 6 weeks away. We need to get back to work or it will kick off for whatever reason.
Mark Duggan was e e used by the Police in the August.
Do you think the thugs, many of them were school kids at the afternoon riot shift gave a rats a*rse about the thug and parasite Mark Duggan. Did they even know who he was or care?
Some wanted to attack the Police but I suggest most were just having fun on a hot summer day and if the Po Po stood back and let them do it, they did!
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