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But Prof John Edmunds said data available in March was "really quite poor", making it "very hard" to do so.
Other countries had already moved to lockdown ahead of the UK, but still we held out for a few weeks.
The key question is, should we have known more at the time and should we have been better prepared?
This is all likely to be pored over in a public inquiry at some point and that will no doubt show mistakes were made - the government's chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, has admitted as much himself.
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Isn't hindsight a marvellous thing...and all the more ironic for being posted on a BETTING forum
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How many Lives will be cost by the failure to Ignore SD by 10s of 1000s nicely spread across the UK this weekend ,All because some geezer was murdered by the Police in a Land far away ,that has absolutely nothing to do with this Country , Millions will have been put at risk , spec parents and grandparents of the so called protesters ,their actions are beyond callous ..
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Hindsite indeed, but plenty to be learnt chewing the fat.
Many lives saved by self isolation by folk not awaiting government advice too. |
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Read the sage notes from back then.
They were clueless. Really as we have London we are similar to New York. If we wanted no cases we would have stopped things in Dec/Jan and still be locked down. In fact we should remain locked down forever to stop a new virus coming in if saving lives from virus is priority. |
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Best not to reflect then, eh.
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Sage as advised by cummings
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What about the Current crop of c@nts marauding around ? How many lives will that cost ??
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It seems as if some folk don't even have hindsite
Still laying 2-2 draw in 1966 World Cup final |
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Those that want to move on seem to accept government got it wrong
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You spoke up mid March YHTL and so did a few others,it isn't hindsight.
An estimated 1/3 of hospital deaths could have been avoided with an earlier lockdown i read somewhere. The above is squarely at the hands of the tory goverment who wanted to implement a herd immunity policy on the people of the UK. |
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I respect the fact that some people think lockdowns are good.
I disagree and think most could be done through sensible distancing for the young and fit. What I do not respect is that the same people who want tougher lockdown, moan that BAME people are dying of Covid, want schools closed etc just cannot bring themselves to condemn the virtue signalers breaking even basic social distancing now in London and elsewhere. |
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Define a "virtue signaller" for us please.
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Edmunds admitted he thought Herd immunity was the best solution.
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I'm not sure anyone wanted a tougher lockdown,what people wanted then was no foreign planes from affected countries,control of passenger numbers on public places so they weren't rammed together,advice on face covering to those that had to go in public places like supermarkets amongst other things.
Funny how people complaining about the mass protests now couldn't give a flying fook in mid March when the tory death machine was in full flow. |
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Guardian readers would be a fair and more concise summary IT.
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Ah, it did take place but they released at least six prisoners they shouldn't have.
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Getting off topic
Maybe that's a dis virtue signalling tactic for those that know Hindite shows them in bad light |
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Hindsite
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Don't agree with any of these "protests" particulary at this point in time(nearly 2 weeks after) myself Saddo,they have been hijacked and are detrimental to any country going through a pandemic.
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not ecactly a revelation we all knew at the time that lockdown came too late - Cummings and Pericles wanted to play their herd immunity games - then sh@t themselves when they realised just how many would die. too late but Boris can be proud only a year in office and he's already made the UK a world leader in something
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The OP asked reasonable questions without bias. So what do we get:
Petraco • June 7, 2020 3:07 PM BST Isn't hindsight a marvellous thing...and all the more ironic for being posted on a BETTING forum Laugh After-timing anyone? casemoney • June 7, 2020 3:12 PM BST How many Lives will be cost by the failure to Ignore SD by 10s of 1000s nicely spread across the UK this weekend ,All because some geezer was murdered by the Police in a Land far away ,that has absolutely nothing to do with this Country , Millions will have been put at risk , spec parents and grandparents of the so called protesters ,their actions are beyond callous .. casemoney • June 7, 2020 3:44 PM BST What about the Current crop of c@nts marauding around ? How many lives will that cost ?? InsiderTrader • June 7, 2020 4:27 PM BST I respect the fact that some people think lockdowns are good. I disagree and think most could be done through sensible distancing for the young and fit. What I do not respect is that the same people who want tougher lockdown, moan that BAME people are dying of Covid, want schools closed etc just cannot bring themselves to condemn the virtue signalers breaking even basic social distancing now in London and elsewhere. I can't help but think that these people have a broader agenda and can't answer direct questions. I'll answer by saying we did know enough at the time because of what had happened in other countries. We should have been far better prepared - a pandemic had previously been deemed a great risk. Under the nasties' austerity policy the NHS had been run on cutting corners so was underfunded and ill-equipped. |
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The statistics rather suggest that the lockdown made no difference to case numbers.
I thought the lockdown would work and so fully expected the London boroughs, having already an outbreak before it was implemented, would remain the worst areas, and be the last to come under control. And I expected areas that locked down with hardly any cases would avoid any outbreak. Now we know that London will end up as a below average area for virus cases. And that several places that appeared to have 'locked down in time' will end up amongst the very worst. It just seems once the virus is seeded in a population it just runs it's course regardless. A lockdown before this 'seeding' would have made a big difference, but surely people aren't thinking this could have been in March ? Studies seem to indicate the R number was declining by 2nd week of March, so I would think an effective lockdown date would have been early February. |
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The second highest number of deaths in the world on our small island on the other side of the world from the outbreak is a national disgrace.
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Theres another Professor saying far more are going to die because of the lockdown than coronavirus. Nobody really knows do they.
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pretty irrelevant where it started when beyond doubt it was spreading in Europe in January and maybe even before that
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9th March - I think we had 300 odd confirmed cases and 4 or 5 deaths.
I can't recall many/any press reports/ individuals demanding a lockdown at that time Just a week later we were advised to avoid non essential contact - I seem to recall many partied on the weekend of the 20/21/22 March before official lockdown began on 23rd. Easy with hindsight to say we should have locked down earlier - Not many were were saying it at the time though. Maybe with hindsight the best approach would have been to allow the young to go about their business , and tell the vulnerable to lock themselves away even more ? |
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JTG, went to germany on 10th march and I was more concerned about going there than anything going on here - they had more cases and deaths at that time
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The Biggest spreader of the Virus was London , Buses and tubes left running RAMMED , will have spread all over the country ...
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Is there any evidence whatsoever that lockdown has saved any lives at all ? Anything ?
If i say no and a government scientist says yes which neither of us can substantiate either way who is correct ? |
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Have a look at the Latest From Harvard John I put a Link up , and How all of a sudden are there no new cases in London , all seems very strange to me ?
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lockdown delay 'cost a lot of lives', says science adviser
redundant use of the word delay and quotation marks imo |
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something like half the population will live within an hour's travel of London. the number of people commuting even from towns 50 or 60 miles away at 6am in the morning is incredible. certainly way more than were doing it 20 or 30 years ago
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