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By:
Baphornet
When: 05 Jun 20 19:27
all the above diatribe needed was a roll of  Cushelle
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jun 20 19:32
Must be a Londoner thing
By:
Just Checking
When: 05 Jun 20 19:34
"Let's be honest a venn diagram of anti-fascist, anti-racist, Labour/general left leaning would pretty much be a circle."
I thought I'd read the most stupid and idiotic posts of the week on here already but we've a late clear winner.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 05 Jun 20 19:44
JC - how many at the UK protests would be traditional tory voters do you think?
By:
1st time poster
When: 05 Jun 20 20:14
government buried the part of the bame report that the black fella they put in charge,put in it, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh,

nhs staff on warpath because hancock told them to wear  masks after 14 weeks of pandemic,they want to no what he thinks they've been foooking wearing
By:
lapsy pa
When: 05 Jun 20 20:27
Surely there will have to be public protests very soon against the goverments handling of this if there is a second wave soon?
By:
geordie1956
When: 05 Jun 20 20:57
By Paul Waugh of HuffPost UK

it’s not been a great few days for Boris Johnson’s claims to be guided by the science on Covid-19, nor for his credibility in keeping his promises. The government began the week by ditching a promise to “wait” for a falling ‘Alert Level’ before easing lockdown. It has just ended it by appearing to ignore warning signs about rising infection rates

The two are related. It’s worth reminding everyone that the PM told the nation a few weeks ago: “If the alert level won’t allow it, we will simply wait and go on until we have got it right.” The nation’s Alert Level remains at 4, one above that required for “gradual relaxation of restrictions”, but we’ve gone ahead anyway with reopening primary schools and other changes.

As Johnson’s new mantra is ‘Stay Alert’ not ‘Stay Home’, it seemed perverse to then trash his newly crafted alert system. No.10 tried to shift attention away from this glaring failure to follow its own conditions by pointing to the fact that the separate ‘five tests’ for easing lockdown had now all been met. Yet the worrying news today is that one of those tests may not have been me

That test is Test Number 3. It was, to quote the PM in full, a requirement “to receive reliable information, reliable data from SAGE showing that the rate of infection - the number of people catching Covid - is decreasing to manageable levels across the board

Today’s new modelling from Cambridge University and Public Health England (whose members have frequently stood alongside ministers in No.10 press conferences) suggested that the R number was not decreasing but increasing in the North West and South West. And remember that key element of Test Number 3 “across the board”. That surely means in every part of the UK.

Curiously Yvonne Doyle, PHE medical director, admitted Test 3 had been broken, but waved it away as unsurprising: “Our estimates show that the regional R numbers have increased [my italics] although they remain below one for most of England - this is to be expected as we gradually move out of lockdown.”

At the evening briefing, Matt Hancock tried to shift attention away from that bit of bad news, saying people should look at reports “in the round”. He pointed to the much better news from a survey by the ONS and Oxford University suggesting the number of new coronavirus cases had halved in the UK.

But Hancock didn’t do himself any favours by ignoring what the government’s own chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance had said earlier: that in England the R number may be “between 0.7 and 1” and in “some places” very close to one. Instead of acknowledging that, Hancock talked about the UK (not England) reproduction number remaining between 0.7 and 0.

It was perhaps therefore no surprise that the health secretary stood alone at the No.10 podium, the first time he has appeared without a scientific or medical adviser, or NHS or Public Health England staffer, at his side. With ministers appearing to ignore advice on imposing a travel quarantine too earlier this week, plus the UK Statistics Authority attacking ‘misleading’ figures, it seems once again that the government has ‘had enough of experts’.

The most glaring omission of all came when Hancock tried to suggest that even higher R numbers in some regions need not stop the national move through its lockdown adjustments. He said that rapid interventions to stop outbreaks would be key and "the Joint Biosecurity Centre is in fact being built to advise on that". ‘Being built’ means it is not yet ready. Another key weapon against outbreaks, the local roll out of the NHS Test and Trace system, is not ready either.

There is the added complication of what a ‘local approach’ means. If the ‘north west’ stays above 1, does that mean Manchester, Liverpool and all the towns of Greater Manchester will see lockdown measures reimposed? What happens at the borders between the ‘north west’ and ‘the north east and Yorkshire’ and ‘the Midlands’? Will we see a Passport-to-Pimlico style border checks

On the day when the death toll officially passed 40,000, giving the UK the second worst mortality numbers in the world, the worrying R numbers will add to the case of those who think the UK should have waited until the end of June, not the start of June, to change its restrictions.

The PM keeps saying the lockdown easing is ‘conditional’. But how many conditions have to be breached for him to pause his timetable of a return to normality? And having raised public expectations on everything from BBQs to haircuts to pubgoing, is he prepared to be unpopular by slamming on the brakes? Don’t bank on it.
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 21:03

Jun 5, 2020 -- 8:27PM, lapsy pa wrote:


Surely there will have to be public protests very soon against the goverments handling of this if there is a second wave soon?


Personally, I would like to see some sign of an end to the first wave, before even thinking about a second one. Sad

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 05 Jun 20 21:04
If the R rate stays above one up here in Liverpool, I'm simply gonna drive down to family in the south west and we'll be fine.
By:
nineteen points
When: 06 Jun 20 09:08
pp you may be joking idont know but it is what people will do
By:
Baphornet
When: 08 Jun 20 17:02
still no boffins
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