Chit Chat
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:06AM, nineteen points wrote:
the word is they have boycotted
Should never have been there in the first place.
Should have done that last week with mass arrests.
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:16AM, 1st time poster wrote:
no more than 6 in a demonstration
Be interesting to see if the demonstrators do this.
VP opened!!!
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:19AM, 1st time poster wrote:
cummings finished off any chance of anyone getting arrested,do you think government want 100,s in court quoting cummings law,there,ll be 1000,s hoping to get arrested
Interesting point.
Do you think the protestors would have stayed home if Cummings had not gone to Durham?
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:21AM, Baphornet wrote:
that's why i prefer the hose
Water Cannon to disperse illegal mass gatherings?
Not kneeling on the ground.
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:33AM, Angoose wrote:
Why has no one asked why he is flying solo ?
It is obvious.
The government deciding to move on to opening things up.
They will never admit they made a mistake listening to the wrong scientists and introduced a costly lockdown.
They will never admit to having made mistakes.
Opening back up for the economy. Would not admit he got it wrong suggesting lockdown.
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:45AM, impossible123 wrote:
If this is the norm then the government could be flying solo from now on with voluntary abstention from the health experts. Would you fly with this government as pilot? Not a blooming chance.
No chance.
They made a big mistake and now as they try to reverse it but getting rid of the scientists that spread the fear without explaining they got it wrong is going to lead to confusion.
I do not trust them on getting the young and fit back to work whilst protecting the old/vulnerable until they admit they got it wrong and we see measures to protect those who need it now.
Jun 5, 2020 -- 11:20AM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Jun 5, 2020 -- 4:19PM, 1st time poster wrote:cummings finished off any chance of anyone getting arrested,do you think government want 100,s in court quoting cummings law,there,ll be 1000,s hoping to get arrestedInteresting point.Do you think the protestors would have stayed home if Cummings had not gone to Durham?
I actually think Cummings is a huge part of the reason to be fair. Let's be honest a venn diagram of anti-fascist, anti-racist, Labour/general left leaning would pretty much be a circle. I think a lot of the protesting in this country is based on unhappiness of how the virus has been handled, notably in the government's them and us attitude to applying rules. The anti-racism protest has come at a convenient time for them to vent.
I thought I'd read the most stupid and idiotic posts of the week on here already but we've a late clear winner.
,nhs staff on warpath because hancock told them to wear masks after 14 weeks of pandemic,they want to no what he thinks they've been foooking wearing
it’s not been a great few days for Boris Johnson’s claims to be guided by the science on Covid-19, nor for his credibility in keeping his promises. The government began the week by ditching a promise to “wait” for a falling ‘Alert Level’ before easing lockdown. It has just ended it by appearing to ignore warning signs about rising infection rates
The two are related. It’s worth reminding everyone that the PM told the nation a few weeks ago: “If the alert level won’t allow it, we will simply wait and go on until we have got it right.” The nation’s Alert Level remains at 4, one above that required for “gradual relaxation of restrictions”, but we’ve gone ahead anyway with reopening primary schools and other changes.
As Johnson’s new mantra is ‘Stay Alert’ not ‘Stay Home’, it seemed perverse to then trash his newly crafted alert system. No.10 tried to shift attention away from this glaring failure to follow its own conditions by pointing to the fact that the separate ‘five tests’ for easing lockdown had now all been met. Yet the worrying news today is that one of those tests may not have been me
That test is Test Number 3. It was, to quote the PM in full, a requirement “to receive reliable information, reliable data from SAGE showing that the rate of infection - the number of people catching Covid - is decreasing to manageable levels across the board
Today’s new modelling from Cambridge University and Public Health England (whose members have frequently stood alongside ministers in No.10 press conferences) suggested that the R number was not decreasing but increasing in the North West and South West. And remember that key element of Test Number 3 “across the board”. That surely means in every part of the UK.
Curiously Yvonne Doyle, PHE medical director, admitted Test 3 had been broken, but waved it away as unsurprising: “Our estimates show that the regional R numbers have increased [my italics] although they remain below one for most of England - this is to be expected as we gradually move out of lockdown.”
At the evening briefing, Matt Hancock tried to shift attention away from that bit of bad news, saying people should look at reports “in the round”. He pointed to the much better news from a survey by the ONS and Oxford University suggesting the number of new coronavirus cases had halved in the UK.
But Hancock didn’t do himself any favours by ignoring what the government’s own chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance had said earlier: that in England the R number may be “between 0.7 and 1” and in “some places” very close to one. Instead of acknowledging that, Hancock talked about the UK (not England) reproduction number remaining between 0.7 and 0.
It was perhaps therefore no surprise that the health secretary stood alone at the No.10 podium, the first time he has appeared without a scientific or medical adviser, or NHS or Public Health England staffer, at his side. With ministers appearing to ignore advice on imposing a travel quarantine too earlier this week, plus the UK Statistics Authority attacking ‘misleading’ figures, it seems once again that the government has ‘had enough of experts’.
The most glaring omission of all came when Hancock tried to suggest that even higher R numbers in some regions need not stop the national move through its lockdown adjustments. He said that rapid interventions to stop outbreaks would be key and "the Joint Biosecurity Centre is in fact being built to advise on that". ‘Being built’ means it is not yet ready. Another key weapon against outbreaks, the local roll out of the NHS Test and Trace system, is not ready either.
There is the added complication of what a ‘local approach’ means. If the ‘north west’ stays above 1, does that mean Manchester, Liverpool and all the towns of Greater Manchester will see lockdown measures reimposed? What happens at the borders between the ‘north west’ and ‘the north east and Yorkshire’ and ‘the Midlands’? Will we see a Passport-to-Pimlico style border checks
On the day when the death toll officially passed 40,000, giving the UK the second worst mortality numbers in the world, the worrying R numbers will add to the case of those who think the UK should have waited until the end of June, not the start of June, to change its restrictions.
The PM keeps saying the lockdown easing is ‘conditional’. But how many conditions have to be breached for him to pause his timetable of a return to normality? And having raised public expectations on everything from BBQs to haircuts to pubgoing, is he prepared to be unpopular by slamming on the brakes? Don’t bank on it.
Jun 5, 2020 -- 2:27PM, lapsy pa wrote:
Surely there will have to be public protests very soon against the goverments handling of this if there is a second wave soon?
Personally, I would like to see some sign of an end to the first wave, before even thinking about a second one.
