Facemasks on public transport from 15 June.

Face covering on train to Scottish or Welsh border.....then you can remove it.

You really could not make this nonsense up.

If say 30 minutes on a tram , train or bus needs a covering .....why does 8 hours in an office not?

Not to have a united approach for all of the UK was asinine .

How he can spout this sh1t and also tell people who have no experience of the very dangerous pursuit ,that is cycling on the main roads to go to work on their bike.

They have to maintain the level of fear in the population. Totally pathetic plan. I just wish everyone would ignore it but you know they will all tow the line like good little boys and girls.

sixtwosix, when's the last time you crossed a border on a train? And if you do in the next few weeks, will you take your face covering off?

Didn't the UK goverment say they were next to useless when a lot more virus was out in the community?

Why backtrack now?

They did , also worried the public might not adhere to distancing and hand washing .......gone out of the window.

Seriously, what's wrong with you people. That was the SAGE advice to government. Now SAGE are saying there's a small benefit. But let's just have another moan up about something that won't affect us.

If the use of face "coverings" was strongly advised in Mid March,would it have saved lives? undoubtly imo,this measure like plane quarrantine is just way too late,what the fook is wrong with them?

Cider,no moaning, facts,the plebs weren't supposed to take the masks from nhs.that simple.

Are you claiming that the SAGE advice was that the public should wear face coverings in March and April ?

Why wasn't it?

If it is advice now,why not earlier?

SAGE were saying the science doesn't support it. This week people are moaning that the gvnt is lifting some lockdown too early against scientific advice. Your default mode is just find anything you can to blame the government for.

You are exempt from wearing one provided you do some protesting/rioting on your journey

#sjwnomaskblm

Maybe the tannoy on the train will play "Scotland the brave" or "Land of my fathers" as it crosses the relevant border. Sign language will also have to be provided on the relevant transportation obviously.

Now SAGE are saying there's a small benefit.

How on earth can be that stated as something not to be challenged.
What measuring technique is used to show a small benefit...... there simply cannot be a measure.

Poor bus driver telling some old dear in the rain who has forgot a covering ,they can't get on.
Shapps is a buffoon , who won't be on crowded public transport and I doubt cycling to work in busy roads .

Why the u turn Cider? it isn't even advice but now compulsory, your argument is tantamount to SAGE saying,"oh we don't know",well they should feckin know.

Not sure about funerals would need to see a rule that allows families to be exempt if they do some rioting/protesting on the way

If you ask me a lot of the SAGE advice has been useless. However, politicians have little option but to follow 'the science' when lives are on the line.

I wonder if ministerial cars are classified as public transport

Jun 4, 2020 -- 12:06PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Antifa might've left some shovels in the high street so you can dig your own loved ones graves once you've finished protesting/rioting

Enough of your pish-blocked

Jun 4, 2020 -- 12:04PM, lapsy pa wrote:

Why the u turn Cider? it isn't even advice but now compulsory, your argument is tantamount to SAGE saying,"oh we don't know",well they should feckin know.

It's not my argument. Literally SAGE were saying the science was mixed and not enough evidence to definitively support face coverings in public.

that bloke on sky from outset simon from warrick uni, been very good but turning out he,s having a shocker,
been saying masks are of no benefit for 3 months and if 2 M RULE IS CHANGED IT WILL BE TO 2 ,4,6 m,
couple of weeks time he could be stood wearing a mask a metre apart from someone

Read the SAGE minutes.

If you are upset at the advise they gave complain to them.

If you are upset at people not following the rules complain to the police/government for not enforcing social distancing laws in London yesterday.

For everything else, have a rant on the forum

The science has been confused re face masks since day 1. Don’t see why it couldn’t have been done earlier as a precaution if it does indeed help a little.

get on train edinburgh to london

do they throw you off newcastle

Why would anyone not wear a mask?

Wearing a mask protects others more than it protects you.

I think we all know that would have all have to wear a face mask (which works) rather a home made face covering(which is little short of useless) but could not because the pastas / toilet roll style panic buying would have left the NHS and others in a truly unworkable position.

Jun 4, 2020 -- 12:14PM, Injera wrote:

The science has been confused re face masks since day 1. Don’t see why it couldn’t have been done earlier as a precaution if it does indeed help a little.

They did not want public buying them at the expense of healthcare settings.

Remember Macron commandeering all masks in France after the government burnt 1.6bn a few months before?

Part of the negative argument is that the mask itself can harbour the virus.

Gets more ridiculous and absurd by the day ffs

The virus is going they say but start wearing face masks now

All back to front nonsense, people really do need to wake up now

Jun 4, 2020 -- 12:07PM, politicspunter wrote:

Jun  4, 2020 --  5:06PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:Antifa might've left some shovels in the high street so you can dig your own loved ones graves once you've finished protesting/riotingEnough of your pish-blocked

What a time to do such a thing when standing in solidarity with our brothers and sisters across the sea #unitenotdivide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuwNwsqHmQ

"compulsory"

Wouldn't get passed a court of law but fack it

Disgraceful really is

I think returning to an office is the most likely place that I would catch this.
How many times do people say ' it was like a doctor's surgery in here today' , with coughing and sneezing.

Eight hours in an air conditioned controlled environment would spread it to an entire floor .

I have no intention of ever working in my old office again ....fortunately as in IT developer I can choose this option.

This government are the most clueless in living memory, which takes some doing.

Can you imagine if they'd said in early March that to prevent the spread of the virus we would need quarantining all returning travellers, and face masks on public transport - we'd all have grudgingly acquiesced and admitted that it made common sense.  Now imagine if they'd said we'd wait until the tail end of the pandemic and introduce it in mid-June, everyone would have said they are fkg barking mad.  But that is what they are doing. 

Until a vaccine is found, which may be never, or at best years away, we have to live with a degree of manageable risk.  Otherwise you'd never go out for fear of being hit by a car or kidnapped by terrorists.  We take appropriate precautions to protect ourselves from all sorts of daily potential harmful situations; because we're adults and we can make our own common sense calls on daily life.

Shapps, Patel, Hancock etc are worse than losing contestants on the Apprentice.  Ill thought out plans that are hopeless in the real world.  If only they could be fired.

People in the local paper shop were coughing like crazy today

Pollen type coughs... as we know

Jun 4, 2020 -- 12:21PM, sixtwosix wrote:

I think returning to an office is the most likely place that I would catch this.How many times do people say ' it was like a doctor's surgery in here today' , with coughing and sneezing.Eight hours in an air conditioned controlled environment would spread it to an entire floor .I have no intention of ever working in my old office again ....fortunately as in IT developer I can choose this option.

Cannot see many coders going much to office with others.

Jun 4, 2020 -- 12:22PM, Danno wrote:

This government are the most clueless in living memory, which takes some doing.Can you imagine if they'd said in early March that to prevent the spread of the virus we would need quarantining all returning travellers, and face masks on public transport - we'd all have grudgingly acquiesced and admitted that it made common sense.  Now imagine if they'd said we'd wait until the tail end of the pandemic and introduce it in mid-June, everyone would have said they are fkg barking mad.  But that is what they are doing.  Until a vaccine is found, which may be never, or at best years away, we have to live with a degree of manageable risk.  Otherwise you'd never go out for fear of being hit by a car or kidnapped by terrorists.  We take appropriate precautions to protect ourselves from all sorts of daily potential harmful situations; because we're adults and we can make our own common sense calls on daily life.Shapps, Patel, Hancock etc are worse than losing contestants on the Apprentice.  Ill thought out plans that are hopeless in the real world.  If only they could be fired.

Shapps and Patel? It's like comparing Einstein with dopey from the seven dwarfs.

The chief medical officer for England, Prof Chris Whitty, has repeatedly stressed that face coverings are “not a substitute” for physical distancing and urged the public not to buy surgical or medical masks needed for frontline carers, but to rely on scarves or DIY-type masks instead.

The advice also suggests public should wash their clothes regularly, as there is “some evidence that the virus can stay on fabrics”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/face-masks-to-be-made-compulsory-on-public-transport-in-england

So a mish mash of face coverings will help?

Robbers and Muggers delighted

Me thinks they are making it mandatory to test their 5g tech out

They want people to cover just their faces not their eyes? they want the eyes visible to see how the tech does when picking up the iris

Its all to flippent to be anything other than that

They've been sticking up 5g for months during this, then its a case of wear the masks now even though 3 months back we said they were useless, although that was planting the seeds quite obviously now

And why only public transport? sorry but its just pathetically obvious they are up to something ffs

fly in to heathrow from a country rife with covid for a holiday.travel to your destination,say the lake district as example,used on news today.have your holiday and enjoy the countryside.meanwhile us who have quarantined since the beginning cant go to the countryside along with johnny foriengner

fly in to heathrow from a country rife with covid for a holiday.travel to your destination,say the lake district as example,used on news today.have your holiday and enjoy the countryside.meanwhile us who have quarantined since the beginning cant go to the countryside along with johnny foriengner

Good news: public transport is currently safe and you don't need a mask.

Bad news: it's gonna get worse in a couple of weeks. Don't ask us how we know, we just do. So you'll need to wear one then.

it couldnt be from all these holidaymakers travelling to their destinations surely?

They are setting up their tech porcupineor

The tube has been packed the whole time, no face masks

The front of it is just out of this world

You have to follow the science guys, whats the matter with you?

The science changes on June 15th so it is only right we wear face masks from then. Scientifically there is no evidence to say the wearing of face masks has any benefit, at least not until 15th June when it is quite clear the science indicates the wearing of face masks saves lives and will save the NHS.

Put on a school uniform and pay half fare. Cap to cover the grey hair of course.

New Slogan?

Going to visit post offices and banks just to go in looking like Billy The Kid or Butch Cassidy.

Try getting petrol!

I'm getting a Hannibal mask with sunglasses

If we're going to take the pi*s we're going to join in surely

Proper rubber one as well, the sunglasses give it some extra character

Masks, masques, are for villains. Anonimity and fear.
Zorro knows.
The prisoner, the global village, who is number one ( God ) who's side are you on?  That would be telling.
Why did u give up? Surrendering ?   
Who's side are you on.... The village is run by all nations, each episode different number two, so it's not about nattonal loyalty. It's freemasons.
The college blazers. Black n white design.chess boards.  Fake elections. Number six the number of a man. In last episode they sing the revival of Israel song. mask of numher one is ripped off. Blacknwhite, an ape face, evolution, under that, your own face grinning . Madness has put you in gods place as nnumber one.
This theme is repeated In the film the rite, Bergman. And eyes wide shut, tom cruise. 
We all are prisoners being asked whose side are you on? This world (natural man) or God's side. It's not about being good or bad. by faith alone you are saved. Where do you place your loyalties?   Do you believe men with diplomas. Over the word of god. Follow world leaders or God.  Wear a mask or be honest and not live in fear.  Masks cannot stop this virus. They impose their will onto others. The mask of the red death. Prospero and masked ball. They are upfront about their ways. In Cornwall a hub for Anglo Saxon witchcraft in the world. They have a masked ball each year.  Be a prisoner in the global village. Chimes of big Ben. Leo McKean tells the prisoner about the new world order. Upfront in a tv show that's absurd nonsense. Just joking. Only a drama.

God approves of sarcasm and ironic acts, zorro

The hannibal mask is sarcasm and ironic

And now the WHO change their mind .......clueless clowns with no credibility.

FS,not sure who are to blame here but may be reading your post wrong,their advice looks right ie a decent mask.

Still all talking about this virus I see. Lockdowns over now lads you can all go out and do stuff other than sit on here all day. Theres even pubs open if you know where to look.

No pubs are open.

My three pints of tribute tells me otherwise PP.

Pubs may not be open but they are selling beer!

I can’t see the point if that myself as I doubt they have fresh beer and even if they did it would go off quickly as volumes will be low. That leaves you with bottles at higher prices than even petrol stations.

Was the Tribute on draft dot?

Shall be doing some market research this afternoon as rain is expected here.