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By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 06:59
Boris Johnson is under fresh pressure to sack Dominic Cummings as a new poll shows that more than two-thirds of voters – including more than half of Tories – want him thrown out of Downing Street for breaching lockdown rules.

The survey by Opinium for the Observer shows a massive 81% think Cummings broke the rules. It also finds that support for the Conservatives is collapsing, with the party now just four points ahead of Labour, having had a commanding lead of 26 points just two months ago.

In the past week alone, the Tory lead has fallen by eight points, the largest weekly drop Opinium has recorded since 2017.

After several days in which the news has been dominated by the row over Cummings’ trip from London to Durham with his wife and child, and his refusal to apologise, public anger is laid bare by the poll. Some 68% think Cummings should resign. If he does not, 66% believe he should be sacked by Johnson.

As he stood by his adviser, Johnson said he would ultimately leave the public to make up their minds. The poll, and a petition calling for Cummings to be dismissed that has attracted over a million signatures, show where the balance of opinion lies.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 31 May 20 07:08
65 million not signed then ?
By:
Ramruma
When: 31 May 20 07:41
War at the Mail? Daily Mail anti-Cummings all last week. Mail on Sunday pro-Cummings; well, not so much defending Cummings as attacking his critics.

Not really sure why the government is so keen to hang on to Cummings. Look at what a cods we've made of Covid-19. We are near the top of most of the league tables and not in a good way. I don't know which parts Cummings is responsible for but it is hard to conclude he is doing much good.

Add to that he is not even a Tory. They should do what Blair did with Mandelson. Sack him then bring him back a few months later when all the fuss has died down. Labour did it twice with Mandelson.

Boris -- if you are reading this, don't sack him before Monday. I've backed Cummings still to be there tomorrow.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 07:48
Two completely different editors Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday.
By:
dustybin
When: 31 May 20 08:45
The public witnessed the extent Boris will go to to look after himself....and Cummings
By not cutting out the cancer more long term damage will result, it’s not as though nobody noticed.

Trying to get the public to do anything now will be like herding cats.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 08:48
KEY Figs from our
@OpiniumResearch
poll in
@Observer
. Tory lead down over Lab from 26 pts in late March to 4pts now. Down 8pts in week. 2/3s don't believe Cummings. 81% say he broke rules. 52% of Tories say should quit. 68% of public say he should go, 66% that PM should fire C if not.
By:
differentdrum
When: 31 May 20 08:59
That was always the government plan.

Labour failed to mobilise a unified response from the opposition. I don't think Starmer is comfortable working cross party. He got tetchy with the SNP on several occasions during the Brexit debate. All in all a badly missed opportunity to apply concerted pressure.

That said to be fair there was a very awkward moment at yesterday's press conference where Van Tam seemed to suggest that he didn't back the government's response.

Also the press will jump on any new information.
By:
Manoleeds
When: 31 May 20 09:13
Over four years to the next elections. Todays chip papers are yesterdays newspapers (remember those days before H&S stopped it). Move on, nothing to see.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:15
the more mp,s that are outed,like rosie cooper,the more the publics opinion of there was one rule for the elite and one for the plebs is proved correct,like the expenses row didn't matter what party you were in
By:
Angoose
When: 31 May 20 09:16
It's less than four years to the next general election.
By:
A_T
When: 31 May 20 09:20
Over four years to the next elections. Todays chip papers are yesterdays newspapers (remember those days before H&S stopped it). Move on, nothing to see.

Voters remember these things. And this won't be the last example of their arrogance and disdain for ordinary people.
By:
Angoose
When: 31 May 20 09:21
Raab providing some very shifty answers to a simple question from Sophy Ridge as to when he first knew Cummings was in Durham.
She made a very good point that he was deputising for Johnson whilst Cummings was up north.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:24
fairly obvious from cummings statement that no one in no 10 new he was in durham ,till guardian contacted no 10
By:
Angoose
When: 31 May 20 09:27
I'd forgotten that clarity had bene brought to the situation Grin
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 31 May 20 09:43
Grin heard cummings was at the NRL the other day
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 09:44

May 31, 2020 -- 9:13AM, Manoleeds wrote:


Over four years to the next elections. Todays chip papers are yesterdays newspapers (remember those days before H&S stopped it). Move on, nothing to see.


There are plenty of elections to bet on in the UK before the next general election, plenty of markets currently available.

By:
GRANTCKING
When: 31 May 20 09:47
Meanwhile, former teacher Robin Lees, who called police about Mr Cummings taking a trip from his parents’ Durham home to Barnard Castle, last night admitted to making a long-distance trip himself.

He drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time.

pmsl Laugh
By:
chelsea girl
When: 31 May 20 09:47
Why do people keep quoting polls from that liberal/leftie rag The Observer?
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 09:51

May 31, 2020 -- 9:47AM, chelsea girl wrote:


Why do people keep quoting polls from that liberal/leftie rag The Observer?


Erm, the Observer don't carry out the poll.

By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 09:53
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (-2)
LAB: 38% (+5)
LDEM: 8% (-4)


This is from the Mail on Sunday if that's helpful? They don't carry out the poll either.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:54
grantcking
cummings the lemmings said mr lee,s didn't brteak the rules are you saying he did yes/no
By:
chelsea girl
When: 31 May 20 09:55
I did not say they carried it out, I said they QUOTED it, mainly because it suited their agenda.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 09:57

May 31, 2020 -- 9:55AM, chelsea girl wrote:


I did not say they carried it out, I said they QUOTED it, mainly because it suited their agenda.


chelsea girl, Have a look at the poll in the Mail on Sunday (above). Does that suit their agenda?

By:
GRANTCKING
When: 31 May 20 09:57

May 31, 2020 -- 9:54AM, 1st time poster wrote:


grantckingcummings the lemmings said mr lee,s didn't brteak the rules are you saying he did yes/no


im saying its funny he grassed someone up when he did the same thing, nobody likes a grass and a hypocrite

By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:59
he said he didn't go till restrictions on long journey,s were removed
By:
chelsea girl
When: 31 May 20 10:00
Polls are useless and provide a weak argument, just ask Hilary Clinton and Brexiteers.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 10:01

May 31, 2020 -- 10:00AM, chelsea girl wrote:


Polls are useless and provide a weak argument, just ask Hilary Clinton and Brexiteers.


Ah, you mean those polls now don't suit your personal agenda, do they?

By:
chelsea girl
When: 31 May 20 10:08
chelsea girl, Have a look at the poll in the Mail on Sunday (above). Does that suit their agenda?

Not sure what the Mails agenda is since they were taken over by Geordie Greig.

Both editions have a different editorial staff, and it all becomes rather confusing.

Hence I stopped buying it.
By:
differentdrum
When: 31 May 20 10:09
Question for the Mail. How does throwing some mud at someone else make the Cummings story untrue?
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 10:10

May 31, 2020 -- 10:00AM, chelsea girl wrote:


Polls are useless and provide a weak argument, just ask Hilary Clinton and Brexiteers.


Hilary Clinton? -The polls were correct. Hillary Clinton beat Trump in the popular vote by three million votes.


Brexiteers?- It was a stonewall toss up. Polls suggested either result was equally possible.

By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 10:11

May 31, 2020 -- 10:09AM, differentdrum wrote:


Question for the Mail. How does throwing some mud at someone else make the Cummings story untrue?


It doesn't, but they have to sell papers to their Sunday readership.

By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 31 May 20 14:22
Blah Blah ... meaningless poll...bluster ..Blah Blah..cheap political point..Blah Blah..bluster.

This ended with the statement by Durham police.

No offence.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 14:38
Durham police state he is guilty but their policy is not to prosecute minor offences

That's good enough for some.




Anyway dom wants to sue for defamation of character


Lol... He's going to testify under oath, lol
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 14:40
His Mrs retweeted clown Boris johnson tweet

Stay home

On day of her birthday treat drive to Barnard castle


Lol



Going away some time next century
By:
differentdrum
When: 31 May 20 14:41
This 'ended' with Durham police admitting they didn't do their job properly. Hardly surprising given they seemed to have as little idea of the rules as Cummings.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 14:44
his wife seems a little dim,saw her giggling like a naughty school girl when in car  leaving house one day last week,didnt seem one to be frightened, worried by the publicity
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 14:48

May 31, 2020 -- 2:22PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


Blah Blah ... meaningless poll...bluster ..Blah Blah..cheap political point..Blah Blah..bluster.This ended with the statement by Durham police. No offence.


KEY Figs from our
@OpiniumResearch
poll in
@Observer
. Tory lead down over Lab from 26 pts in late March to 4pts now. Down 8pts in week. 2/3s don't believe Cummings. 81% say he broke rules. 52% of Tories say should quit. 68% of public say he should go, 66% that PM should fire C if not.

Hardly meaningless.

By:
A_T
When: 31 May 20 16:21
no doubt it's been bad for the Tories and the smell will remain unless Dom goes. can they really not cope without him?
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 16:28
dom will get Brexit done as they say,do a moonlight flit and the shoitey smelly deal he leaves behind will be the tory party,s fault when it goes badly,
and be anointed a genius for doing it
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