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Report Baphornet May 31, 2020 12:12 AM BST
Angoosed typing one up
Report saddo May 31, 2020 12:17 AM BST
What a hateful publication the Guardian is, no wonder the readership are like rabid dogs.
Report Cardinal Scott May 31, 2020 1:38 AM BST
Hateful is the Daily Mail, Sun & Daily Star not the Guardian.  I will also concede Daily Mirror from the other side.
Report Ibrahima Sonko May 31, 2020 2:37 AM BST
DC has 7 pending cases against the press and there lies.
Report Angoose May 31, 2020 3:53 AM BST
The Dominic Cummings furore began with an untruth. ‘Police spoke to Cummings about lockdown breach’ declared The Guardian’s front page headline on May 23.

Setting the tone of subsequent coverage, the involvement of the police was an essential element of the story of how the Prime Minister’s top adviser had supposedly flouted his own rules, plunging the Government into crisis.

It imprinted into the minds of the public the idea that this was not a minor transgression but something grave, requiring police action. But this was not true.

Police did not speak to Mr Cummings, who was self-isolating with his wife Mary Wakefield and their son at his parents’ farm in Durham, nor did they try to speak to him, directly or through a third party. In fact, they did not have any desire to speak to him at all.

Officers did however advise his father Robert about security issues following threats of violence. Mr Cummings senior contacted police – not the other way around – soon after his son moved his family north at the end of March amid concern for his four-year-old’s welfare.

The move was also partly motivated by safety fears. Reports had suggested Cummings opposed lockdown and did not care about Covid deaths, claims he denied but which prompted sinister visits to his London home by thugs making violent threats. Others used social media to encourage attacks.

It was against this background that his 73-year-old father sought advice from police on March 31. A Special Branch officer rang Mr Cummings senior the following morning offering guidance.

A week later, The Guardian was tipped off that Mr Cummings was staying in Durham but did not publish its story until last week.

So how did The Guardian get it so wrong, especially when, according to the reporter who wrote the story, the paper spent many weeks ensuring it was ‘absolutely bullet proof’?

It seems that hours before publication, The Guardian misinterpreted a clumsily composed Durham Police statement that read: ‘On Tuesday 31 March, our officers were made aware of reports that an individual had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.

‘Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.’

Based on this, The Guardian wrongly concluded that there had been direct contact between police officers and Mr Cummings.

The Daily Mirror, which collaborated with The Guardian on the story, avoided the same trap by saying officers ‘spoke to his [Mr Cummings’s] family’. But it also claimed Mr Cummings was ‘investigated’ by police. Again this was wrong.

The police statement also said officers ‘explained to the family the arrangements around self-isolation... and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel’.

However, a day after issuing their first statement, police released another one – this time conceding it was ‘at the request of Mr Cummings’s father’ that they had spoken to him.

Two days later, the statement changed again. This time, police admitted they had given ‘no specific advice on coronavirus to any members of the [Cummings] family... Our officer did, however, provide the family with advice on security issues’.

The Sunday Mirror and The Guardian’s sister paper, The Observer, also claimed Mr Cummings had further broken lockdown roles by returning to Durham, where a witness apparently saw him in bluebell woods on April 19. This allegation, if true, could have sunk Mr Cummings since it undermined the credibility of his original justification for visiting his parents. He had said he was doing the ‘right thing’ by seeking the support of his family because he and his wife were too ill to look after their son.

But Mr Cummings vehemently denied making a second trip. And The Guardian has not produced any evidence beyond a sighting by an unnamed source.

Another witness who claimed to have seen him on April 19 said yesterday that he made the story up as a joke. Last night, the paper declined to say whether it stood by its second visit claim.

A Guardian spokesman said: ‘Without our investigation, Dominic Cummings’s trip to Durham, and his subsequent trip to Barnard Castle, which have caused widespread anger among the public and across the political spectrum, would not have come into the public domain.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372923/How-story-sparked-week-national-rage-fuelled-fake-news.html
Report DenzilPenberthy May 31, 2020 3:54 AM BST
Laugh
Report Angoose May 31, 2020 3:59 AM BST
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Report DenzilPenberthy May 31, 2020 4:06 AM BST
Unbelievable the brass balls on those 2 cnts how can anyone take them seriously;

The fcuking Hairy Bikers offering diet and health advice how much worse can the Corona debacle getSad
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 9:22 AM BST
don't no why we,re wetting ourselves with what paper,s said whe we cummings statement and police report leading to 83% of public thinking he broke the rule,cummings obviouslt thought reports were close enough ,good enough to force him in to making a statement
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 9:27 AM BST
has the lady in spectator owned up to writing fake news ,which she also took to main stream radio,or are you not to fussed about that one
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 9:31 AM BST
People getting upset about fake news?

Well I never. Whatever next Dorris isn’t a liar and neither us CummingsShocked

What a shocker

and what does the Liar tweet about it tonight?

Will they apologise? Shirley they have nothing to regretWink
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 9:36 AM BST
But Mr Cummings vehemently denied making a second trip. And The Guardian has not produced any evidence beyond a sighting by an unnamed source.

Ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf?
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 9:38 AM BST
they didn't cry wolf,cumming,s admitted the rest ,just didn't think he broke any rules, the police and 83% of public disagree with him
Report flushgordon1 May 31, 2020 9:43 AM BST
#scummedia
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 9:51 AM BST
Agreed #scum media

The Torygaph, The Sun, The Excess
Report Injera May 31, 2020 11:07 AM BST
No idea if this is true but wouldn’t be surprising:

anti-Brexit Labour peer Baroness Armstrong admitted she passed on information to help expose Dominic Cummings’s alleged lockdown breach;
Labour MP Rosie Duffield confessed she had broken the rules to meet up with her new married lover;
Former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who ran against Mr Johnson for the Tory leadership, was accused of plotting against the PM;


The Mail on Sunday identified some of the mob who descended on Mr Cummings’s home last week, including a former BBC journalist, a TV producer and a freelance photographer who has worked for The Guardian newspaper;
A Left-wing writer who threatened to inflict violence on Michael Gove in front of his children in a hate-filled tweet was cautioned by police.
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 11:29 AM BST
did you think it was guido fawkes,harewoon,grimes etc that potted him and were protesting outside his house
by the way the usual suspects were blaming the remoaning civIl service last week,no doubt an apology in coming, NOT
Report InsiderTrader May 31, 2020 11:34 AM BST
One anti-Brexit person made up the story about him returning to Durham. Actually falsified APP data to claim he saw Cummings on a run.

The Bernard Castle supergrass went himself 250 miles to collect someone from a different household during lockdown apparently.

The left and the pro-EU bunch are hypocrites of the highest order.

The papers that print the lies need to be shut down.
Report InsiderTrader May 31, 2020 11:37 AM BST
It is now clear why Starmer did not comment much on Cummings.

His own people are own there doing what they want seeing married lovers etc.
Report Foinavon May 31, 2020 11:40 AM BST
A Guardian spokesman said: ‘Without our investigation, Dominic Cummings’s trip to Durham, and his subsequent trip to Barnard Castle, which have caused widespread anger among the public and across the political spectrum, would not have come into the public domain.’

Sh1t-stirring Guardian making mountains out of a molehill for political ends. If as a result people break the lockdown and cause another spike, we can blame the Guardian for their contempt for public order.
Report InsiderTrader May 31, 2020 11:45 AM BST
Has the Guardian retracted any of the lies they published that have undermined public health?
Report politicspunter May 31, 2020 11:49 AM BST

May 31, 2020 -- 11:40AM, Foinavon wrote:


A Guardian spokesman said: ‘Without our investigation, Dominic Cummings’s trip to Durham, and his subsequent trip to Barnard Castle, which have caused widespread anger among the public and across the political spectrum, would not have come into the public domain.’Sh1t-stirring Guardian making mountains out of a molehill for political ends. If as a result people break the lockdown and cause another spike, we can blame the Guardian for their contempt for public order.


No, you can blame Cummings.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 11:56 AM BST
What will Cummings sue for?


He's a proven liar so nowt there

Reputation..... Lol


He might get awarded a penny, and end up paying costs.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 11:58 AM BST
A nice libel trial bringing all this back up

With Cummings and Johnson under oath in a court of law


I simply can't wait



Didn't jonny aitken try this.... What happenened there?
Report InsiderTrader May 31, 2020 11:59 AM BST
At least we now know the motive behind the lies from the pro-EU/leftist mob.

They could not care less about public health.

All they care about is getting one man sacked for protecting his son.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 12:00 PM BST
Jeff archer done same.... How did that go?



C'mon Cummings file the papers



GET LIBEL DONE
Report salmon spray May 31, 2020 12:11 PM BST
So were the public not entitled to know that Cummings fled to what at best was his 2nd home despite all the government spokespeople telling people not to. I suspect the suggestion that Cummings is going to sue is the real fake news here.
Report dave1357 May 31, 2020 12:13 PM BST
the right wingers on the forum break new ground in lunacy every day.  Cummings suing is the best yet.  Insider trader takes the biscuit with "All they care about is getting one man sacked for protecting his son."
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 12:18 PM BST
GET LIBEL DONE
Report edy May 31, 2020 12:20 PM BST

May 31, 2020 -- 11:34AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


One anti-Brexit person made up the story about him returning to Durham. Actually falsified APP data to claim he saw Cummings on a run.The Bernard Castle supergrass went himself 250 miles to collect someone from a different household during lockdown apparently.The left and the pro-EU bunch are hypocrites of the highest order.The papers that print the lies need to be shut down.


What about government advisors that lie about eye tests? Do they need to be shut down too?

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 12:23 PM BST
Insider traitor trying to block freedom of speech



GET LIBEL DONE
Report edy May 31, 2020 12:24 PM BST
Enemies of democracy and freedoms like IT make me physically sack.
Report edy May 31, 2020 12:29 PM BST
and sick too
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 12:30 PM BST
do yoiu REALLY, really, want your hero cummings in the dock repeating his tale of taking his son on a 6o0 mile jaunt to test his eyes, Laugh

still lots here for everyone to explain, media police cumming,s, been doing the sunday morning paper rounds,and like this thread lot made of police offering security advice,after a phone call from cummings father
but if they were worried about security so much on private land,why did they go for a public jolly on easter sunday,i cant imagine police advising them to leave their property as security advice,
also they were that worried about security we now no dori.raab/downing st had no idea he was in durham,

the same papers/pundits making a big play of bogus witness,but cummings admitted to been in bluebell woods and admitted seeing someone at a distance and that witness admitted he wouldn't swear what the date,day it was,this by the way at same time cummings wife told the world he was in bed unable to move a muscel
Report edy May 31, 2020 12:39 PM BST
this by the way at same time cummings wife told the world he was in bed unable to move a muscel

Are you proposing to close down The Spectator, 1st time poster?
Report politicspunter May 31, 2020 12:43 PM BST
New one today is that Cummings wife retweeted a tweet of Boris to stay at home, stay safe.....on the day they went to Barnard Castle.
Report impossible123 May 31, 2020 12:50 PM BST
If Bojo is so determined to have Mr Cummings on his side I'll accept it given the excessive time the debacle has generated. But, I'll take consolation in what Mr Van-Tam said yesterday at the daily Press Briefing on Covid-19 ie the rules were clear, and they applied to everyone.
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 12:56 PM BST
£350 million a week slate for the NHS!

Cor what a whopper!

I need to go fir a drive to test my eyes to believe that oneShocked!
Report Foinavon May 31, 2020 1:04 PM BST
Guardian condemned out of their own spokesman's mouth PP.
Report flushgordon1 May 31, 2020 1:25 PM BST
Comment is free ,facts are sacred ,money is hidden in the Cayman Isles.
Report casemoney May 31, 2020 1:55 PM BST
Seething remainers Luvvie Liars involved LaughOne geezer has admitted he just made it up Regarding part of the Story , Dirtly low
filthy scumbags the old Luvvies are Grin As we know from reading the Shyte they post on this forum ........
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 1:56 PM BST
high priestess of Brexit peter bone writing in guardian/observer todays ,saying cummings should go,these remoaning lefties, Laugh
Report casemoney May 31, 2020 1:57 PM BST
Dirty filthy Articles Foin , and I am not referring to the news items Grin
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 2:16 PM BST
GET LIBEL DONE
Report potlis May 31, 2020 4:34 PM BST
Guardian trawling through cctv footage of the George Floyd incident, hoping for a glimpse of Cummins.
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 4:36 PM BST
he,s at a rugby match in  ew Zealand last time I saw him,not sure if doris/raab no
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Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 4:41 PM BST
Laugh
Report Baphornet May 31, 2020 4:44 PM BST
no questions about Cummings on the briefing 1st TP, are ye going to let it go now?
Report politicspunter May 31, 2020 4:51 PM BST
Yep, and look at the score (6 0). Spooky!
Report Angoose May 31, 2020 4:56 PM BST
Cummings “Spare Cottage” Without Planning Permission and Pays No Council Tax
https://universalcreditsuffer.com/2020/05/31/cummings-spare-cottage-without-planning-permission-and-pays-no-council-tax/

Dominic Cummimgs; a Special Advisor to the Prime Minister, made it clear that he had stayed at a “spare cottage” at his father’s farm when he addressed allegations that he had broken lockdown restrictions in April. In an Exclusive, I can now reveal that the cottage in question is not registered for Council Tax, nor has planning permission be sought for the cottage from Durham County Council.

I recently wrote how the “spare cottage” that Dominic Cummings stated he stayed at on his father’s farm near Durham, is in-fact jointly owned by himself and his family. This would therefore make Mr Cummings trip less of a journey for childcare, and more one to a second home, something was strictly prohibited at the time he travelled 260 miles north from London.

Whilst I was investigating the property’s ownership, I noticed something odd. Nowhere, on any database, does the cottage show up as a property in its own right. What makes it even easier is that Cummings’ father’s farm at North Lodge, is the only property in the entire postcode.

A search of the postcode DH1 3SU yields just one result; North Lodge

My first stop was to check if the property was registered for Council tax. The government website direct.gov has a facility for you to search a postcode to find a properties Council Tax Band.

A search of DH1 3SU, the postcode of the property jointly owned by Dominic Cummings, yields just one result; North Lodge. In the entire postcode, only the single Cummings property is listed as Band D. So lets take a look at an aerial photograph of North Lodge.

Above is an aerial view of the Cummings’ property. As can be seen there are two distinct buildings. The main building on the right, is North Lodge itself, this was confirmed when I obtained the property deeds form HM Land Registry. On the left is the distinct green roofed building, better known as the “spare cottage” Dominic Cummings and his family are believed to have stayed in whilst away from London. Below is a photograph taken of the cottage from outside the property, it quite clearly shows that it not a shed or farm building.

Cummings himself has stated that he stayed in a separate cottage, this in itself helps in proving that it is a separate building used for human habitation. Durham County Council has no record of this building having been registered for Council tax, nor has an exemption been sought.

Secondly, I looked into whether the cottage had planning permission. To start with I obtained the plans and deeds from HM Land Registry. As can be seen below, the deeds in 1983 show no additional building, and in 2013 when Mr Cummings was shown to be owner, no mention of a second property is made.

Below is the full documentation which I obtained from HM Land Registry. The Cummings family are the owners of two plots at North Lodge.

What is most important in this instance, is the Land Registry having a stipulation that “ANY structure” requires written permission prior to construction from the UK Coal Authority (UKCA). I contacted the UKCA earlier in the week and can confirm that no permission has been sought for a structure in the area the green roofed building exists.

I then took to Durham County Council’s very easy to use Planning Portal. Searching the postcode, again only the single property showed up. Looking through the planning applications, there is no mention of an outbuilding or cottage.

I contacted Durham County Council’s Planning Department to confirm that there is no planning permission, but received no response. This is understandable given current circumstances. However, their planning portal is very accurate and covers a long period. As can be seen from previous photographs, the cottage is not in its elder years. In addition, the Land Registry notes that the land the property lies on is a Conservation Zone. Therefore, it is even more important that permission should have been sought.

I have spoken to an official from a Council Planning Department in England who states that; it is possible, if not likely, that planning permission would have been/be rejected due to the following issues.

Increased traffic on/off trunk road.
Building not in fitting with Conservation Zone
No permission from UK Coal Authority

Furthermore, it is unlikely that the cottage has permission, as if it did, the local authority would be well aware of it and Council Tax would be being levied against the property. The cottage is on no database that I can find, only the main property, which itself is considerably larger than it was in 1983 can be found.

Council Tax in England is decided on the what the property’s value would have been in April 1991. In the case of North Lodge, it has been assessed as Band D, which the government website tells us means the property would have sold for between £68,001 to £88,000 in April 1991.

Whilst the original significantly smaller North Lodge may have fallen within this valuation, the extended and much more lavish lodge of today certainly would not. It’s current valuation is around £650,000, and this doesn’t take into account the “spare cottage” and other connected annexes they claim to have. It is important to note also, that any annex attached to the main building that is not used by a dependent family member, should also be registered for Council Tax.

In addition, the cottage is constructed on a separate piece of land to the main residence. This highlights it as being less ancillary to the main residence, and more of a separate domestic dwelling in its own right.

Whilst agricultural properties do have some exemptions around planning, the UKCA stipulation for prior consent, and the building being in a Natural Heritage Conservation Zone, voids any exemption that may have applied.

This once again shows that Dominic Cummings operates a do as I say, not as I do policy. Whilst this would normally be a damning indictment on a senior government advisor, Boris Johnson has shown that Cummings is indispensable and will be protected at all costs. It makes you wonder what he’s so scared of.
Report Baphornet May 31, 2020 5:02 PM BST
they should give him a cottage in Brussels as well
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 5:27 PM BST
it was the mail on sunday,dan hodges,editor,comment piece,hitchens,roberts etc who all talked about cumming,s in mail today,
let it go lads, Wink
Report Baphornet May 31, 2020 5:29 PM BST
once a week publication mucker; not the 445757 topics a day you sling upWink
Report 1st time poster May 31, 2020 5:33 PM BST
story broke 10 days ago,they had one go at shutting it down 7 days ago Laugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2020 5:41 PM BST
Durham Council have history with unregistered buildings

See Albert dryden
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 5:45 PM BST
I am going have a few beers later and see if they are right about drink affecting your ability to drive. I don’t think it does because I always get home.
Report flushgordon1 May 31, 2020 6:35 PM BST
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jEpD9RH-Wds
Report saddo May 31, 2020 8:10 PM BST
A little bit of ground bait and the rabid lot are in a feeding frenzy.
Report Ibrahima Sonko May 31, 2020 8:22 PM BST
Grin
Report Baphornet May 31, 2020 8:25 PM BST
the raft is slowly sinking

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Report Just Checking May 31, 2020 8:31 PM BST
I just happened to come across this article on the Grauniad site:
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/may/23/historic-ghost-villages-tyneham-dunwich-imber?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

"Equally eerie is Tyneham in Dorset (currently closed, but usually open most weekends). Six days before Christmas in 1943, it was requisitioned for D-day landings practice by order of Winston Churchill. On the day they left, residents pinned a note to the church door: “We have given up our homes where many of us lived for generations, to help win the war … We shall return one day and thank you for treating the village kindly.”

Churchill’s promise of a postwar return was never kept."

Err, aren't the lefties very proud of the fact that in the election immediately after the War was over, the electorate in their wisdom kicked Churchill out and replaced him with a socialist government? So what happened them? Quick look and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneham
"This measure was supposed to be temporary for the duration of World War II, but in 1948 the Army placed a compulsory purchase order on the land and it has remained in use for military training ever since."

So in 1948, under a Labour government, Clement Atlee as PM, a LABOUR government went back on the UK's promise to give the village back. Funny the Guardian didn't mention it. Would an accurate paragraph from this rancid left wing comic not have been:

"Churchill’s promised to return the village to the villagers, but he was put out of power at the end of the war before he could do this. The incoming Socialist Labour government then issued a compulsory purchase order on the village in 1948, breaking the UK's promise.".

It would certainly leave the reader better informed and not totally misled by blaming Churchill for a Labour government's actions.
Report saddo May 31, 2020 8:35 PM BST
They only want to appear better informed, intelligent people would seek a balance to everything they read before agreeing with it, pseuds are too lazy to bother.
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 8:36 PM BST
So Just Checking

I take it you are saving the good news story for the end.

When Churchill became Prime Minister again when did he keep his promise?
Report Just Checking May 31, 2020 8:41 PM BST
Ahh ignore the clear valid point made with a diversion. How boring.
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 8:44 PM BST
Sorry but you are really boring and so is your story

Does your story have a point?

When did Churchill keep HIS promise to the villagers?
Report Just Checking May 31, 2020 8:48 PM BST
troll troll troll?
troll troll troll troll?
Report Whisperingdeath May 31, 2020 8:56 PM BST
You brought it up

It is your story

Finish it child
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