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31 May 20 00:03
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By:
Baphornet
When: 31 May 20 00:12
Angoosed typing one up
By:
saddo
When: 31 May 20 00:17
What a hateful publication the Guardian is, no wonder the readership are like rabid dogs.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 May 20 01:38
Hateful is the Daily Mail, Sun & Daily Star not the Guardian.  I will also concede Daily Mirror from the other side.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 31 May 20 02:37
DC has 7 pending cases against the press and there lies.
By:
Angoose
When: 31 May 20 03:53
The Dominic Cummings furore began with an untruth. ‘Police spoke to Cummings about lockdown breach’ declared The Guardian’s front page headline on May 23.

Setting the tone of subsequent coverage, the involvement of the police was an essential element of the story of how the Prime Minister’s top adviser had supposedly flouted his own rules, plunging the Government into crisis.

It imprinted into the minds of the public the idea that this was not a minor transgression but something grave, requiring police action. But this was not true.

Police did not speak to Mr Cummings, who was self-isolating with his wife Mary Wakefield and their son at his parents’ farm in Durham, nor did they try to speak to him, directly or through a third party. In fact, they did not have any desire to speak to him at all.

Officers did however advise his father Robert about security issues following threats of violence. Mr Cummings senior contacted police – not the other way around – soon after his son moved his family north at the end of March amid concern for his four-year-old’s welfare.

The move was also partly motivated by safety fears. Reports had suggested Cummings opposed lockdown and did not care about Covid deaths, claims he denied but which prompted sinister visits to his London home by thugs making violent threats. Others used social media to encourage attacks.

It was against this background that his 73-year-old father sought advice from police on March 31. A Special Branch officer rang Mr Cummings senior the following morning offering guidance.

A week later, The Guardian was tipped off that Mr Cummings was staying in Durham but did not publish its story until last week.

So how did The Guardian get it so wrong, especially when, according to the reporter who wrote the story, the paper spent many weeks ensuring it was ‘absolutely bullet proof’?

It seems that hours before publication, The Guardian misinterpreted a clumsily composed Durham Police statement that read: ‘On Tuesday 31 March, our officers were made aware of reports that an individual had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.

‘Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.’

Based on this, The Guardian wrongly concluded that there had been direct contact between police officers and Mr Cummings.

The Daily Mirror, which collaborated with The Guardian on the story, avoided the same trap by saying officers ‘spoke to his [Mr Cummings’s] family’. But it also claimed Mr Cummings was ‘investigated’ by police. Again this was wrong.

The police statement also said officers ‘explained to the family the arrangements around self-isolation... and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel’.

However, a day after issuing their first statement, police released another one – this time conceding it was ‘at the request of Mr Cummings’s father’ that they had spoken to him.

Two days later, the statement changed again. This time, police admitted they had given ‘no specific advice on coronavirus to any members of the [Cummings] family... Our officer did, however, provide the family with advice on security issues’.

The Sunday Mirror and The Guardian’s sister paper, The Observer, also claimed Mr Cummings had further broken lockdown roles by returning to Durham, where a witness apparently saw him in bluebell woods on April 19. This allegation, if true, could have sunk Mr Cummings since it undermined the credibility of his original justification for visiting his parents. He had said he was doing the ‘right thing’ by seeking the support of his family because he and his wife were too ill to look after their son.

But Mr Cummings vehemently denied making a second trip. And The Guardian has not produced any evidence beyond a sighting by an unnamed source.

Another witness who claimed to have seen him on April 19 said yesterday that he made the story up as a joke. Last night, the paper declined to say whether it stood by its second visit claim.

A Guardian spokesman said: ‘Without our investigation, Dominic Cummings’s trip to Durham, and his subsequent trip to Barnard Castle, which have caused widespread anger among the public and across the political spectrum, would not have come into the public domain.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372923/How-story-sparked-week-national-rage-fuelled-fake-news.html
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 31 May 20 03:54
Laugh
By:
Angoose
When: 31 May 20 03:59
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By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 31 May 20 04:06
Unbelievable the brass balls on those 2 cnts how can anyone take them seriously;

The fcuking Hairy Bikers offering diet and health advice how much worse can the Corona debacle getSad
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:22
don't no why we,re wetting ourselves with what paper,s said whe we cummings statement and police report leading to 83% of public thinking he broke the rule,cummings obviouslt thought reports were close enough ,good enough to force him in to making a statement
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:27
has the lady in spectator owned up to writing fake news ,which she also took to main stream radio,or are you not to fussed about that one
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 20 09:31
People getting upset about fake news?

Well I never. Whatever next Dorris isn’t a liar and neither us CummingsShocked

What a shocker

and what does the Liar tweet about it tonight?

Will they apologise? Shirley they have nothing to regretWink
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 20 09:36
But Mr Cummings vehemently denied making a second trip. And The Guardian has not produced any evidence beyond a sighting by an unnamed source.

Ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf?
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 09:38
they didn't cry wolf,cumming,s admitted the rest ,just didn't think he broke any rules, the police and 83% of public disagree with him
By:
flushgordon1
When: 31 May 20 09:43
#scummedia
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 20 09:51
Agreed #scum media

The Torygaph, The Sun, The Excess
By:
Injera
When: 31 May 20 11:07
No idea if this is true but wouldn’t be surprising:

anti-Brexit Labour peer Baroness Armstrong admitted she passed on information to help expose Dominic Cummings’s alleged lockdown breach;
Labour MP Rosie Duffield confessed she had broken the rules to meet up with her new married lover;
Former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who ran against Mr Johnson for the Tory leadership, was accused of plotting against the PM;


The Mail on Sunday identified some of the mob who descended on Mr Cummings’s home last week, including a former BBC journalist, a TV producer and a freelance photographer who has worked for The Guardian newspaper;
A Left-wing writer who threatened to inflict violence on Michael Gove in front of his children in a hate-filled tweet was cautioned by police.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 11:29
did you think it was guido fawkes,harewoon,grimes etc that potted him and were protesting outside his house
by the way the usual suspects were blaming the remoaning civIl service last week,no doubt an apology in coming, NOT
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 31 May 20 11:34
One anti-Brexit person made up the story about him returning to Durham. Actually falsified APP data to claim he saw Cummings on a run.

The Bernard Castle supergrass went himself 250 miles to collect someone from a different household during lockdown apparently.

The left and the pro-EU bunch are hypocrites of the highest order.

The papers that print the lies need to be shut down.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 31 May 20 11:37
It is now clear why Starmer did not comment much on Cummings.

His own people are own there doing what they want seeing married lovers etc.
By:
Foinavon
When: 31 May 20 11:40
A Guardian spokesman said: ‘Without our investigation, Dominic Cummings’s trip to Durham, and his subsequent trip to Barnard Castle, which have caused widespread anger among the public and across the political spectrum, would not have come into the public domain.’

Sh1t-stirring Guardian making mountains out of a molehill for political ends. If as a result people break the lockdown and cause another spike, we can blame the Guardian for their contempt for public order.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 31 May 20 11:45
Has the Guardian retracted any of the lies they published that have undermined public health?
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 11:49

May 31, 2020 -- 11:40AM, Foinavon wrote:


A Guardian spokesman said: ‘Without our investigation, Dominic Cummings’s trip to Durham, and his subsequent trip to Barnard Castle, which have caused widespread anger among the public and across the political spectrum, would not have come into the public domain.’Sh1t-stirring Guardian making mountains out of a molehill for political ends. If as a result people break the lockdown and cause another spike, we can blame the Guardian for their contempt for public order.


No, you can blame Cummings.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 11:56
What will Cummings sue for?


He's a proven liar so nowt there

Reputation..... Lol


He might get awarded a penny, and end up paying costs.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 11:58
A nice libel trial bringing all this back up

With Cummings and Johnson under oath in a court of law


I simply can't wait



Didn't jonny aitken try this.... What happenened there?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 31 May 20 11:59
At least we now know the motive behind the lies from the pro-EU/leftist mob.

They could not care less about public health.

All they care about is getting one man sacked for protecting his son.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 12:00
Jeff archer done same.... How did that go?



C'mon Cummings file the papers



GET LIBEL DONE
By:
salmon spray
When: 31 May 20 12:11
So were the public not entitled to know that Cummings fled to what at best was his 2nd home despite all the government spokespeople telling people not to. I suspect the suggestion that Cummings is going to sue is the real fake news here.
By:
dave1357
When: 31 May 20 12:13
the right wingers on the forum break new ground in lunacy every day.  Cummings suing is the best yet.  Insider trader takes the biscuit with "All they care about is getting one man sacked for protecting his son."
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 12:18
GET LIBEL DONE
By:
edy
When: 31 May 20 12:20

May 31, 2020 -- 11:34AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


One anti-Brexit person made up the story about him returning to Durham. Actually falsified APP data to claim he saw Cummings on a run.The Bernard Castle supergrass went himself 250 miles to collect someone from a different household during lockdown apparently.The left and the pro-EU bunch are hypocrites of the highest order.The papers that print the lies need to be shut down.


What about government advisors that lie about eye tests? Do they need to be shut down too?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 12:23
Insider traitor trying to block freedom of speech



GET LIBEL DONE
By:
edy
When: 31 May 20 12:24
Enemies of democracy and freedoms like IT make me physically sack.
By:
edy
When: 31 May 20 12:29
and sick too
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 12:30
do yoiu REALLY, really, want your hero cummings in the dock repeating his tale of taking his son on a 6o0 mile jaunt to test his eyes, Laugh

still lots here for everyone to explain, media police cumming,s, been doing the sunday morning paper rounds,and like this thread lot made of police offering security advice,after a phone call from cummings father
but if they were worried about security so much on private land,why did they go for a public jolly on easter sunday,i cant imagine police advising them to leave their property as security advice,
also they were that worried about security we now no dori.raab/downing st had no idea he was in durham,

the same papers/pundits making a big play of bogus witness,but cummings admitted to been in bluebell woods and admitted seeing someone at a distance and that witness admitted he wouldn't swear what the date,day it was,this by the way at same time cummings wife told the world he was in bed unable to move a muscel
By:
edy
When: 31 May 20 12:39
this by the way at same time cummings wife told the world he was in bed unable to move a muscel

Are you proposing to close down The Spectator, 1st time poster?
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 12:43
New one today is that Cummings wife retweeted a tweet of Boris to stay at home, stay safe.....on the day they went to Barnard Castle.
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 20 12:50
If Bojo is so determined to have Mr Cummings on his side I'll accept it given the excessive time the debacle has generated. But, I'll take consolation in what Mr Van-Tam said yesterday at the daily Press Briefing on Covid-19 ie the rules were clear, and they applied to everyone.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 20 12:56
£350 million a week slate for the NHS!

Cor what a whopper!

I need to go fir a drive to test my eyes to believe that oneShocked!
By:
Foinavon
When: 31 May 20 13:04
Guardian condemned out of their own spokesman's mouth PP.
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