Situation in Scotland

Another snp failure progressive politics someone should sturgeon a dictionary for Christmas

LOL,FORMER conservative Scottish leader , labled as a guest ,
well get the bloke from THE TIMES on as a guest and ask him how many deaths in English care homes

Lol, was the "guest" Ruth Davidson?

Of course the facts from the OP are totally correct. In addition to this, it was the SNPs responsibility to stockpile PPE and ventilators as the Scottish NHS is totally devolved, they didn't (despite running a similar simulation a few years ago that showed problems with PPE), but somehow that's totally ignored and the Tories get the fault for something that isn't their responsibiity as well. They got a total easy ride all through this. Of course large sections of the remoaner leftie media are openly hostile to the Tories, whereas Sturgeon is a left wing remoaner who hates the Tories - "one of them".

Imagine Boris and the Tories had done the outrageous coverup of the Nike Ground Zero that she seems to be getting away with. He'd have been toast.

I see PoliticsPunter (the not an SNP supporter) SNP supporter is straight in on this defending his SNP.

Call me old fashioned but I think how well people are performing things should be judged upon calm factual evidence relevant to what they have done, not some deflectionary "opinion poll" that is a poll of people ignorant of facts who are being influenced by a useless biased media openly hostile to the Tories. How much time I wonder does someone in England who gets their news from leftie luvvie BBC or C4 news hears Boris getting bashed vs ANY summary of the poor performance of lefftie luvve Sturgeon? 99.5% to 0.5?

Maybe we could replace care home death performance evaluation with people's opinions of care home deaths, drug trials with the opinion of the best sounding drug name, and decide the next premier league with an opinion poll on who has the best team?

JC ..you like calm factual evidence?....like 177000 claimed..but only 61000 people tested..like swab test for nose and throat counted as two tests(from torygraph)..like care homes ring fenced since 12th March?..utter lies.

How many tests in Scotland?

biased media doris gets most stick of the right wing,nazi flag flying daily mail,
the rights latest luvie peter hitchens 3 weeks running in his column calls the bbc the governments poodle

any chance of the right getting at least 1 duck in a row

Let me tell you 2000. If we were pro rata testing v England we should be testing in the at least double that.
Our education system is failing under the snp .
Braveheart was not a documentary.

Sturgeon is almost untouchable, anyone who doesnt tow the line is automatically a Boris loving tory c*nt
said for weeks care homes up here a disaster, she does at least acknowledge failings but that aint enough
Salmond is waiting in the shadows for all this to blow over then she wll be under severe scrutiny
as the zombie still has unbelievable support up here even though he is ''damaged goods''

A leader acknowledges failings?

People in Scotland must be worried with the performance and thats when Scotland is still part of the UK image what it would be like if Scotland was on its own and had to find the finances with the SNP in charge

flusher..as you are aware Honest figures are published here..not the fantasy pish yer tory overlords sell you.

the  supposedly tory super hero Davidson who actually has achieved very little in politics said on tv this morning,casually,nonchantly ,sturgeon is just following Johnson,s policy but 2 weeks later,WALOFS 2 weeks depending on where you are in this virus is 10,20,30,000 lives

doris uk government biggest decision/mistake in the hole shoiteshow was the timing of lockdown, and theres hr,s of press conferences from doris,cabinet minister,s all saying they didn't lockdown earlier because public would get bored and wouldn't put up with it, LOL 8 WEEKS LATER THEIR BEGGING FOR PEOPLE to go back to work,
2 weeks earlier could have save 20,30,000 lives

nec...50% death rate in care homes is more or less the norm in the civilised world Canada 80%.If you believe it is 20 odd % in England
you are a gullible nincompoop...of course the SNP could be doing better in education but at least they do not hide in fridges and carry out eugenic policies on us...where is the hide and seek champ?..getting pissed again?..where was he during the floods?..sunning his fat arse on a Carribean island for 2 weeks..at least wee Nicky puts her hours in!

Ooh N-EC touched a nerver there :) They don't like it when people start using facts and the bullshit of being "we're better just cos we're not English Tories" gets torn apart :)

It's amazing SNP supporters think Sturgeon every single day being the person to be the only their spokesperson is a GOOD thing.

Others might think it's the sign of an egotist, someone leading a personality cult, someone using this to promote themselves, someone scared of the useless idiots she has below them in relevant responsibility areas being allowed to speak and either showing themselves to be morons (likely) or (very unlikely) showing themself to be a Scottish Sunak and someone who might be a better leader than her.

It's all about her, and Sarah Smith is bang on.

JC..you have the government you deserve.

I am not really concerned about the English figures being factual or not thats for others to decide, we are under the Scottish gov handling of this situation whether thats Care Homes or NHS Trusts
feel free to slaughter boris it doesnt change anything up here, remember they were singing from the same hymnsheet about the lockdown date back in March.
Even with the Nike Conf. warning the health guy was actively encouraging people going to large events and he would have no problems going to one himself.
Maybe hindsight is just for some though.

Unfortunately we have national socialists.

Poor old Important Jimmy has got it all wrong , has she Been on with one of her important Speeches
to explain what has happened ?

flusher if life under these national socialists is so bad why don't you phuck off somewhere more suitable?

Has Barrellhead Blackford made any comment on the disastrous situation ??

What makes it worse is the NE and Scotland are 3 weeks behind London

just a thought but krankie doing all media because the lady that was sharing duties resigned and you cant expect someone in job 2  mins to take briefings

as why krankie was desperate to keep CMO in position

Yes N-EC lets remember the legal ability to lock down was also in Sturgeon's hands and she could've done it earlier as well, instead she was allowing international rugby matches in Edinburgh after she knew about the (covered up and we still wouldn't know about if she had her way) Edinburgh Nike outbreak. No wonder it's touchy to bring THAT up.

But you know, cheltenham a week later was the Tories so that's BAD.

Important Jimmy loves briefings , she like to look important as much as possible ...

Well watching from Wales, it does seem that both the SNP in Scotland, and Labour in Wales, seem to be under less scrutiny than the Tories in Westminster.

I think in general its down to the old.....If it goes well it's all down to us.....if it goes wrong lets blame the UK Gov't.

The electorate in Wales and Scotland aren't sophisticated enough to know who is really responsible for what.

Independence is the only way to clear it up, sadly. Unless the Scots and Welsh suddenly wake up and understand things.

Sadly, it is detrimental to the SNP, and Welsh Labour to push this.

"What makes it worse is the NE and Scotland are 3 weeks behind London"

Being "Behind" is surely not really a thing surely ONCE you have a lockdown for a time, that's just a Sturgeon excuse.

Yes without lockdown curves tend to follow the same trajectory so they can be "behind" each other, there is totally a "behind", you would be right.

But once a lockdown is imposed (remember this is now > 8 weeks), you'll have a few days lag period before it takes affect but then the curves flatten. The peak was way back in April.

Being behind at the point a lockdown is imposed is actually an advantage not a disadvantage as you start from a lower base point.

New Zealand is "behind" us for example. See what I mean? Think about it. The virus has no knowledge of what has happened before only what is happening now. It's not in a worse situation.

Most deaths in Europe(after being warned by Italy and Spain)great work JC..your chest must swell with pride...sorry if I didn't realise it is all Sturgeon's fault...you are lucky to have that lovely Cummings guy pulling your wonderful leader's strings.

^^^
Nerve not so much touched as inflamed.

Yes JC well done I'm trembling and shaking with pure rage..doubt I'll be able to calm down for several days at least.

Yes Sofia, given responsibility for health, social care, care homes scandals, lockdown timing and policy and law, PPE stockpiling, ventilator stockpiling, testing, not covering up outbreaks (and more.. ) are all entirely SNP policy and under their control, you are right, the figures in Scotland, a relatively sparsely populated country that has nothing at all REMOTELY like the density of London and has a much lower % non white population who have proven to be far more suspectible to Corona. These are Sturgeon's responsiblity. Your chest must be swelling with pride at Sturgeon's performance.

Have you ever been on a packed London tube?

But she can shake her head and say she's not an English Tory, so I'm sure she won't lose any support from the SNP faithful, that's all that matters.

I mean with all the above advantages ... AND the huge advantage of not being an English Tory, why are the Scottish figures comparable / worse than England?

Has she changed the camera angle now to hide the stay at home message

Seeing the Crisis in England , Why did Important Jimmy not order the Care homes to be ring fenced and immediate testing ?? She had at least a Months warning of the care home situation . and knows quite well how the virus is moving hence not following on to the be alert stage ........

case..just like england we did not have the capacity at that time..we are honest up here pal..unlike bojo/hancock/raab.

Yes dreadful figures 2200 Dead out of 5 million

Important Jimmy will also have questions to answer ...

Very strange in that case why snp keep asking questions in parliament about why track and trace was abandoned in March. Answers on a postcard.

The Inquiry into the Care Homes needs to be into Who is running them , and Why , because it looks like they would have trouble running a bath..
We have a Flu Like pandemic that would cause problems for the Elderly ,What could possibly go wrong in these homes ,surely they would have some sort of emergency planning / IF NOT WHY NOT , the people running these places have no problems putting their hands in the till , but when it comes
to the pocket there appears to be a reluctance ..

Hilarious how they changed the camera angle though, Scotland must be proud.

Lots of people are passionate about care homes, not so much paying for them.

MONEY BOXES Cider  ,Also  plenty of Charities involved  would be the clue ..

Meanwhile they let the Carers and staff wander round with no PPE  , in a pandemic

May 22, 2020 -- 12:40PM, Cider wrote:

Has she changed the camera angle now to hide the stay at home message

Looked fine to me. Maybe you should buy a bigger telly?

May 22, 2020 -- 12:59PM, casemoney wrote:

Meanwhile they let the Carers and staff wander round with no PPE  , in a pandemic

Well the two areas of occupation which have higher victim rates, transport and care, PPE is a private responsibility.

May 22, 2020 -- 1:01PM, Cider wrote:

May 22, 2020 -- 11:59AM, casemoney wrote:Meanwhile they let the Carers and staff wander round with no PPE  , in a pandemicWell the two areas of occupation which have higher victim rates, transport and care, PPE is a private responsibility.

No it isn't.

May 22, 2020 -- 1:00PM, politicspunter wrote:

May 22, 2020 -- 11:40AM, Cider wrote:Has she changed the camera angle now to hide the stay at home messageLooked fine to me. Maybe you should buy a bigger telly?

see for yourself

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsHybmeGKhE

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oRFqLjln9U

bbc was fine for me.

It was blatant haha. Safety before politics

As I say, the bbc was fine for me. What tv station did you watch it on?

Sp PP is saying the Bods in charge of the Care Homes rake in billions but someone else has to look after the Basic health and safety

In the sky clip she's looking at the camera. She's not looking at another camera for the bbc at the same time. That feigning ignorance is catching on

As I say, the bbc where I watched it was fine.

Which was broadcast at a different angle to all the other past Sottish briefings. Where the big screen was not visible, whereas it was in all the past Scottish briefings.

I thought you said you never watch the bbc...

So Sturgeon is to blame as much as Boris, is that the conclusion of the forum?

May 23, 2020 -- 9:35PM, layingisthewayforward wrote:

So Sturgeon is to blame as much as Boris, is that the conclusion of the forum?

Quite the opposite.

Btw, if you thought the guest in your opening post was just any lady, you clearly have zero knowledge of politics, particularly Scottish politics.

Was she factually incorrect. If so I apologise profusely.

If you didn't know who she was, no need to apologise.

layingisthewayforward stick to your guns. Facts are facts, using an ad hominem attempt to shoot the messenger and deflect is classic SNP. PP pretends not to be an SNP supporter but he fools nobody. Until he cites solid facts from reputable source that take away from the FACTS you posted (and they are facts) then apologise for squat.

The care home situation in Scotland is worse than England = Yes. Far Worse. No argument.
https://www.carehomeprofessional.com/european-survey-reveals-england-has-lowest-rate-of-covid-19-care-home-deaths/
"The research, using ONS data as of May 9, shows there were almost 7,000 COVID-19 care home fatalities in England, amounting to 21% of 33,000 fatalities. Wales reported a higher rate of 25%, while care home COVID-19 death rates in Scotland amounted to 45% of 3,200 COVID-19 fatalities as of May 10."

They're doing less testing than England = Yes, per capita. By a huge margin. No argument.

The R number is currently higher in Scotland = Yes, apparently it is. Harder to track as they are cagey about it but it's Sturgeon's own argument for extending lockdown so ..

Read say this. It cites original sources.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-snp-s-media-war-conceals-their-covid-failures

I retract my apology then!

lapsy pa
Maybe the numbers in Scotland are more transparent?

Nearly choked on my coffee when I read that. Here were two questions asked in Holyrood last week and the 'answers'.

QUESTION 1 How many OAPs were moved from Hospitals to care homes without testing to make room for possible covid19 victims (Not sure of the period.
ANSWER From Jean Freeman- Less than 300. She later issued an apology when the real figure of nearly 1000 was revealed.

QUESTION 2 How many people were traced in the Edinburgh Niki outbreak. Sturgeon had said earlier that rigorous tracing had been carried out but two companies who had shared the facilities with Niki staff including one from Lloyds banking group had come forward to say none of their staff had been traced.  .
ANSWER 2 We don't have the numbers.
The outbreak had been kept secret from the public because of patient confidentiality reasons according to Sturgeon.

Yes very transparent.

Not surprised at Sturgeon does so well in these polls. Scottish nationalists , as can be seen from politicspunter (who despite the denials lives in Scotland and supports the cult that is the snp) and sofiakenny  replies on here, are so focused on independence they are not bothered by facts.

Scotlands figures are as shown in the opening post. Difficult time and I'm sure that mistakes have been made but It always baffles me to see nationalists like pp and keny along with angoose attacking Boris when Scottish figures are similar in some respects but much worse than others.

BTW Scotlands R number is in the exact same range as it was 2 weeks ago so surprised at the decision to ease lockdown rules. maybe not as wee Nickis strategy appears to be to wait toi see what Boris is doing then do something different.

Sounds like the situation in Scotland is worse than I feared. Sturgeon to be charged with mass murder when all this is over?

Sturgeon certainly seems to have the media on her side...

An internal investigation has been launched after STV circulated a video of children praising Nicola Sturgeon for “keeping them safe” during the coronavirus pandemic.

The independent broadcaster posted the series of clips on Twitter yesterday before swiftly removing it after complaints and comparisons to coverage from totalitarian countries such as North Korea.

The video features young boys and girls lauding the first minister for her handling of the Covid-19 crisis. Apparently reading from a script, they say: “The children of Scotland would like to say thank you to Nicola, our first minister. We are so grateful. Thank you for always keeping us safe, working so hard, being strong for us.”

Ian Murray, the Labour MP for Edinburgh South, tweeted:  “Scotland has 5th worst death rate in Europe, double rate of care home deaths than rUK, one of the worst testing rates in world, contact tracing strategy in tatters, Nike ‘ground zero’ cover-up. How about the broadcast media do their job and scrutinise. Cute kids but this is wrong.”

Straight outta Pyongyang:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rtoJpnbxWg

Possibly the most sinister thing I've ever seen in Politics in Britain. Truly astonishing.

Between STV, the NUT and then their lecturers at uni, a whole lifetime of brainwashing.

Do the Tory hating, SNP supporting members of this forum have any opinions on this video?

600 deaths per million 2nd only to Belgium Over 1600 care homes deaths

Put a thread up But Kenny and the team pre occupied with the DC business

Important Jimmy will have a lot of Questions to answer going forward

Perhaps a few of the Families can come on and their opinion on her handling of the Situation

May 25, 2020 -- 1:05PM, layingisthewayforward wrote:

Do the Tory hating, SNP supporting members of this forum have any opinions on this video?

Looks like it was a thread ender for them

Perhaps Important Jimmy will be on to give us  her Views on DC ,for a bit more deflection ..

Yes hard to Understand Tobe , Why sturgeons supporters are not on to question why that Video was Made

while a disaster was emerging,Were any videos made in care homes ???

AS was confirmed by Angoose  a death rate of 650 plus per million , 2nd worse in the World but hardly a word being said ? Can we have a Briefing with the Fine woman ,Instead of banging on about
some rsole who decided to for a 500 mile round trip ...........IF DC should go and I agree he should  , What about Sturgeon ???  Producing strange misleading Video ??

And then saying they made a mistake with the Figures because the Health secretary was " A BIT TIRED" you cannot make it up ....

The Luvvies will be banging on about Cummings for weeks  , The hidden Disater of their Main woman being hidden as long as possible , Quite incredible what they will do in the total state of desparation they have been in since December ...

As predicted Salmond supporters coming out of the woodwork to put the boot into Sturgeon this will only increase in weeks to come - a little video with cute kids spouting how great its been up here for them and thanking her, when clearly they couldnt possibly grasp what its really all about is the least of her problems right now.

The Guardian and their disciples on here have been lauding the Krankie woman for months now. How can they U-turn out of their position without looking ridiculous

Not while they are wetting Tissues over DC  Saddo , The disaster over the border coming to Light

Bullshit figures, shyte Videos ,all the time people Dying Incredible , needs to be a full

Inquiry , Sturgeons position will be  untenable , Death rate over 650 per million far and away

above England ,we can only hope that it does not get much Higher , Lets hope the person in charge

of Submitting the figures has plenty of sleep and no further Errors are made ...........

Krankie and her cronies are nothing short of genocidal maniacs.And dont forget you can all be replaced by immigrants.Ethnic cleansing in reverse.Killing your own population to replace it with another.

Strange how the likes of politicspunter and SofiaKenny have been calling Boris a murderer for weeks now, does than mean they believe Sturgeon is a murderer as well?

As a traditional Conservative voter I find that post deeply offensive, apart from being completely false.

Over 4000 excess deaths in a month :

The National Records of Scotland, meanwhile, said there had been 4,434 excess deaths between March 23 and May 17.

Has the women with the Abacus who gets very tired been Moving the Correct Beads ??

Because summat is deffo not Adding up ??

Sorry nearly 2 months , Considering  most in Lock down , Seems a very high figure

I take it that includes the 3000 Plus Co vid death?? Wheres the other 1100 come from ??

There appear to be some Hidden figures , Not that 650 and counting per million is not bad enough

Looks like the snp boys have took a moose hole

10 deaths in the Skye nursing home, can you think of any particular fat bastard who might have gone from the coronovirus hotspot in Westminster and taken it there?

Ok here's a clue.

Ian Blackford-26th March

Returned back to Skye from Westminster into isolation as a precaution,away from Anne and everyone else given the prevalence of the virus in London.
The right thing to do but hard not seeing Anne.

The outrage over the Edinburgh 'NIKE' outbreak cover-up won't be eased by the knowledge that Sturgeon attended the COBRA meeting on the 2nd of March with Freeman attending 2 days later and neither mentioned the outbreak.
The first fatality in the NE of England had attended the Nike conference. Lots of questions to be answered but Sturgeon ignoring them all.

Once over this would have been the big story and the focus of attention not Cummings but we live in desperate times

Kenny and the Boys still banging the old Bishops over DC  ...

Who was the Muslim Labour MP who attended the funeral with over 50 others?
Not really interested. Story broke, people had their say and we moved on.

Watch the 'Daily Briefing' from the 24th of March.
Jenny Harries speaks about special circumstances when children are involved.

Has Hackney  Di , been recruited to help with the Figures ???