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Agree pipedreamer, a great, as you say, lesser known film. Climax reminded me of the similar tension that built in Fail Safe.
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Yes Failsafe,another great example.Although made in about 1953,Night Of The Demon is a well made film,based on the book "Casting Of The Runes"with a great premise, that having been passed a parchment of paper,you have 30 days to live,before a demon destroys you.The only way out of it is to pass the Parchment back to the person who gave it to you,and the demon takes them instead,and obviously they're going to go nowhere near you !!.
Also, Night Of The Eagle, proved that Peter Wyngarde was a fine actor he was,Belying the assumption that his tv Jason King acting was poor,not required to act more like.His acting plus others, and a great director, who squeezed every bit of tension he could get out of a scene,led to a very enjoyable outcome,(think it's on u tube). I fail completely to see how people rave about Killing Eve.Just because you do something different and off the wall doesn't make it work. Twin Peaks it is not.A lot of comment has been made about the music in it,and how they say it goes with the music.I think it is all pretentious rubbish,and doesn't work at all. What would Hitchcocks Vertigo have been without the great Bernard Herrmans great music ?.A good example of the right music fitting a scene is in the series Cold Case with Kathryn Morris and John Finn.One Episode called "Fly Away"i think,is a good example of heightening a scene to give maximum drama, pathos,sadness,et al.Also the 2 parter starring John Billingsley (second part called "our boy is back"),they could have quite easily released it in cinemas by putting the two parts together. One series called E-Z Streets,was applauded by the critics,but it was scheduled at the same prime time against the Top programmes on other channels,and it's ratings suffered, and after a while was cancelled, much to the outrage from the critics.The music was from the great Canadian singer Lorrena Mckennitt,an absolute awesome talent,(give her a listen) whose wonderful Celtics songs are incredibly haunting,giving the series added greatness. I must mention the 1953 Invaders from Mars,That is nearest to a lsd trip,or a nightmarish dream.Filmed in a certain colour that gives it a hue that is like a dream in colour that you might have.The music is sensational,using a choral female choir,thats adds terrific atmosphere and a feeling of impending danger.It's cited as a cult movie, like Manhunter,music and lighting combinig foe effect. At the mo, I have just started watching the Third Watch series,a great dramatic moving series,lots of drama,human trajedy moments,and some very moving episodes. I'd be betting that you have probably come across some of this that I have mentioned here anyway.Got any more recommendations yourself ?. |
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Wish you'd brought this thread up to remind us before the film yesterday, as i thought would be worth a watch on your recommendation, hope it's shown again soon.
Have vague memories of Night of the demon with Dana Andrews being a good film, could do with seeing it again but haven't heard of Night of the Eagle, must look out for that one. As a young lad remember being terrified by a film called "The Trollenberg Terror" certainly by the opening shots where some mountaineers were scaling a snowy mountain and one is pulling another up with ropes, but when the 2nd persons body comes into view his head was missing, can't recall the rest but that stayed on my young mind for ages, couldn't sleep. As for music matching a scene, in the final scene of shallow grave the Welsh male voice choir made the hairs at the back of your neck stand up. Sure plenty of other examples but Rodrigos Concierto De Aranjuez played by the brass band in Brassed Off brought a lump to my throat, wonderful stuff. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8hIc7DpuE
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Stewart,you are so right about the The Trollenberg Terror, frightened me to Effin death.Released in 1958 in the cinema so I don’t how old I was when I saw it on the Box maybe 11 or 12.anyway thanks for the nightmares.stay safe Fred.
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We must have similar tastes, pipedreamer. I have Night of The Eagle and Manhunter on DVD (the latter being one of my all time favourites, watched it numerous times) and also a copy of Night of The Demon.
Staying in the horror genre, I also like The Devil Rides Out and particularly Witchfinder General. The music to the latter (by Paul Ferris) is excellent. Not seen Invaders from Mars since I was very young, but remember enjoying it. I do remember the distinct colours, and wouldn't mind seeing it again some time. If you like the music in that film, you may also like to check out 'Dimentia'(1955), a short & unusual film (w/o dialogue), which can be found on YouTube. My favourite period is the 70's, especially American crime & thrillers. So as far as recommendations go, I am bit biased towards stuff like The Conversation, Night Moves, The Parallax View, Klute, The Driver, etc. But I also like some 'oldies', like Out Of The Past, Ministry of Fear and Scarlet Street. Also like a lot of Hitchcock and totally agree with what you say about the importance of the music. I would also very much recommend The Flight of The Phoenix (original of course) to anyone who has not seen it, but I would imagine most film fans on here will have seen it. A film that's easy to watch again and again, great characters. If you like unusual films, would also recommend Images (Altman) - also has a great, unusual, soundtrack. I've not seen Killing Eve, but from what you say, it sounds like I may not have missed out! Twin Peaks The Return was my favourite series of the last decade.I've also not seen "The Trollenberg Terror" mentioned by stewarts, but that definitely sounds like it's one for the list! :) |
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Ah yes,The Trollenberg Terror,Lawrence Payne the lead in the tv and film.Also A For Andromeda,with Julie Christie,scary.The big hit on tv came in 1955 with Quatermass and the Pit,with Andre Morrell,(the writer came up with the name Quatermass from the phone book,a guy running an East London Greengrocers !!!!!).
Hammer film of the same name,came out in 1967.Although 53 years old they really did a good job with it SFX and the like,(way ahead of it's time),and some good spooky bits.Starred a great actor Andrew Keir,also Julian Glover and James Donald,showing that actors who trod the boards knew their stuff,and acted with conviction. I must mention the American series Law And Order,currently on 5usa early afternoons.They start of with a crime and then after they prosecute,(roughly the second half of the episode),that's when the heavy actors take over.Sam Waterstone as the prosecutor.Doggedly seeking out justice.His acting is superb alongside Fred Dalton Thomson as the D.A,he actually stood for his party to run for the Election for President of the United States,he got down to the last 8.Great acting and well written. Later in the afternoon on 5usa,billed as "New,"are the earlier series of Law and Order,once again,great stories and acting.This series was nominated for 48 Emmy's and won about 6 I think,and is the longest running Police series in the history of ALL television anywhere!!!. I must mention "The Spiral Staircase" made in 1946,a great Spooky dark house classic (remade appallingly in the 70's),great direction,some almost Hitchcockian. They managed in the last 20 years to balls up a remake of the 1964 Film "The Haunting" by throwing the kitchen sink at it and going way overboard with C.G.I. at every available opportunity.The Original relied on the audiences own imagination as to what was behind the door in the middle of the night making a noise.Reinforcing the less is more approach. Sadly these days a lot of films seem to be a lot of S.f.x looking for a story, rather than a good story made better, by the measured use of S.F.X. to complement the story rather than to overwhelm it. I started to watch the series Person Of Interest,because I liked the premise of a hero rescuing people in trouble.It was a slow burner,but then in the Second series really it really started to take off. They used the Johhny Cash's song "Hurt"to maximum effect in the start of one episode,a great example of directing, cutting,slo-mo,action. The baddies in it are very impressive,a brooding sense of evil from all of them.A great end to the series that gave a lot to the meaning and purpose of life and the way we all play a part in it.A great series.Very underated. I see Manhunter was on the other night,pure art in my opinion.Please let me know all of you some of your recommendations as i'm sure that I have missed some stuff.It's hard to keep track of all the stuff,and I am sure over the years there is some good stuff that I have missed.(p.s.just remembered Don't watch The Quatermass series on Talking Pictures starring John Mills,i'ts appalling.) |
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Best horror film i've seen was The Haunting (1962) ... another version made in 1999 is rubbish .. original was made in Black & White & as a young kid when watching it it struck the fear of life in me . Can remember my dad was in night shift so only me; my mum & older sister in the house & after watching the film it was time for bed .. no light on the landing & none of us dared go up the stairs to bed. You don't actually see anything but the pyschology of everything happening on screen makes it a great watch.
Another great film I enjoy watching is Paths Of Glory ... which is about the injustices and absurdity of war ... made in 1957 but I don't believe it was allowed to be shown in France until the mid 70s because they disliked its harsh portrayal of the officers and their disregard for human life. Never achieved much when released but now recognised for the classic it is |
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Paths of Glory was indeed a great film starring Kirk Douglas but with magnificent performances from the lesser known cast.
I think you are all right about old B/W films having something over their modern counterparts, less gory but much more tension, indeed would Schindlers List have been as good in colour, i rather doubt it. Citizen Kane is on this afternoon at 3.00, supposed to be a cinematic masterpiece but i've never watched all the way through, must try today, any thoughts on it or is it one of these films that the critics love but possibly hard going for the average viewer, i genuinely don't know. Another film on Talking pictures at 10.40 is The Boys From Brazil a decent film but having read the book beforehand wasn't a patch on that, but stars Laurence Olivier so worth a watch if you haven't seen it, best not to read up about it beforehand to spoil the plot then i think you'd enjoy it. |
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Another really old film in B/W which was remade in the 70s i think was The Champ, the remake was good but didn't have the grittiness of the original and the 70s version the fighter was far too good looking imo.
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HFINK,yes I see that you are well up to speed with you recommendations.Haven't seen Klute on tv for ages.Perhaps if they showed it alongside current stuff,people would realise how much rubbish is made these days.
The Driver,i accidently watched the new, The Driver film the other month, thinking it was the Ryan O,Neill one,which I think was the one that you mean't?. The Devil Rides Out,yes good film (shown the other day),especially the scene where Charles Gray stops the woman in her living room mid sentence,turns and looks up to the bedroom where Patrick Mower is reasting.I was telling people years ago that Christopher Lee was a good actor,not just to be type cast as Dracula.Just remembered,he and his great acting chum Peter Cushing were in a little remembered Hammer film called "The Skull", a good forgotten film.It was on recently on Talking Pics I think,maybe they will repeat it soon. Scarlet Street,great Fritz Lang movie,i like The Woman in The Window,same Director,same Edward G,(the G didn't stand for anything apparently). I must confess that I am not a fan of Nordic Noir,although I have only seen the series The Bridge.In one scene the woman police officer turns to her colleages and says,"HE is only upset with me because he thinks I slept with his son,i DIDN'T).The reaction anticipated by t her colleages should have been one of possible,shock,confusion puzzlement,or any one of a number of reactions that one could imagine.But no,not one twitch of a face muscle could I observe,no recognition in anybodys eyes that anything had been said or that anything at all had happened at all. I was very unimpressed,annoyed almost,and rueing the fact thatwhen I was 19 years of age sitting in a pub with a woman that I worked with, being introduced to a very impressive guy,who I was told could possibly come and teach some of the young kids acting.He gave me an on the spot demonstration of acting,very impressive. I never saw him again,maybe he turned up on a day that I wasn't there.I found out years later that it was Don Warrington,(rising damp). If I knew then what I know (or have seen) now,i might have given it a go. Reminds me of the story of a guy down on his luck and arrived at the New York bus station,penniless.He lived in a toilet cubicle for a while at the bus station.On walking across the road from the bus station on freezing cold day he noticed people going into a building,so he followed them,hoping to get out of the cold.He sat on a seat,and after a while somebody said to him "you're next !).He had walked in on an audition for a play.He got up there,and the rest they say was history.That man was Sidney Potier!!!. same with Bob Hoskins,he and his mate got drunk,his mate had to go for an audition,he tagged along,they told him he was next,puzzled,instead of the embarrassment of explaining that he was only accompanying his mate,he got up and auditioned.Thus being in the right time and right place,and taking advantage of an opportunity!!!. I may be being unfair of Nordic Noir and if anybody has a better example of it I will definitely give it a watch. |
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The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre with Bogart; Walter Houston & Tim Holt ... another film with great acting by the principals
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Stewart,Geordie,my typing today has tired me out,(i'm 71), I promise I will reply to you later.Suffice to say you're both lovers of true art.
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You've given me some ideas of films/tv series to watch that i haven't seen so thank you pipedreamer and the other posters.
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This is also B&W, very good and suspenseful
Failsafe - staring Henry Fonda https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058083/ |
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Another film I have just remembered ... Seven days in May .. Burt Lancaster; Kirk Douglas & Frederick March all star ... its a political thriller and a must watch as far as I'm concerned
Failsafe is an excellent film ... Walter Matthau has a small cameo role as a political advisor but played with real authority ... Henry Fonda plays his usual solid acting role as the President ... all in all top acting ... which brings me to 12 Angry Men ... nobody could ever leave that out of the top 20 films of all time .. my problem is I have 100 top 20 films!!! |
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You all sound as if you should be watching Talking Pictures Freeview 81
I preferred films in BW But for Sport we must have colour |
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Is there a dedicated b&w TV channel anywhere?
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Geordy,give us your top 100.By the way do not look at the trailer to Night Of The Eagle.It is a total sensationalist distortion of the film.
A trailer made by people with absolutely zero talent and understanding. |
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macarony, talking pics 81 on freeview, is mainly b&w, superb channel.There is a thread on it in horse racing.
a great film , THE boys . |
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Thanks I will take a look if I can I only have sky and a firestick
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Pride of the Yankees. Sergeant York. Wonderful life. Robert wise films. Frank Capra films. Rene Claire films.
La ronde 1950. My brother Jonathan talks to horses. Champagne for Caesar. Cluney brown. Cagney Bogart fills. Harvey-jimmy Stewart . Val lewton horror films. Bornvyesterday. Sunset boulevard. Ch 81, free view shows . Many British films.bfi. Called talking pictures. Run by father and daughter. Main channel to me. Have not seen some of these in thirty years. Show s film called snorkel . Which is like a proto Columbo film. Frank borzage good director too. A man escapes. Will look at my movie book. Try and remember whatvwas good. My memory is failing these days. |
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Dr Ehrlichs magic bullet, inherit the wind. La strada . Lucky partners ginger rogers, double indemnity. It happened tomorrow. Dark passage. Random harvest. Brewster millions. Letters from an uunknown woman.murder my sweet. Louis Pasteur Paul muni . Roman hholiday. The killers 1946. Attack with jsci palance. Big knife. Cross of lorraine. Night of the hunter. Thunder rock. The arrangement. Some like it hot. Hobsons choice.
Colour , little murders. Olds man and the sea. The madwoman of chaillot Bright leaf is a boring drama. But it first half hour is good . Tobacco . |
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Zorro,Night Of The Hunter,?,Bob Mitchum?,only film that Charles Laughton directed ?.Little Murders,Alan Arkin?.
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Yep. Little murders is a bit off beat but I think it's great.
Night of the hunter was panned by critics. Laughton gave up directing? Critics are idiots. Kermod are you listening?. |
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great thread. thanks for all the movie suggestions.
Does anyone know of an online (streaming) site where I can find The Bedford Incident? I don't think I've seen that one. |
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Gordie1956.the treasure of Sierra madre has got to be up there with the best B/W films ever made.John Hustons directorial debut,fantastic cast brilliant theme music.Mexican bitpart actors to die for,who can forget the Bandito,when asked to show his badge,goes into the big rant badges badges I don’t need no stinking badges.Stay safe watch more old movies.
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Ch 81 has colour films as well, it is just good older films...which appeal to me more than the current films do
Well I am older myself I like the 2 hour ITV Dramas etc, Morse on. They are not that old, Vera my favourite and Endeavour...shown a lot on ITV 3 |
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Great thread. Some great B & W Classics mentioned indeed. Two of my all time favs are:
I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang starring the great Paul Muni which was made in 1932. A classic film indeed. Another ant-war classic is Die Brucke (The Bridge) a German war film with English subtitles, which was made in 1959. They are so good, that they are not on youtube, but can buy dvds from amazon. |
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Good stuff on here. Good posts.I'll put up "Too Late For Tears,with Dan Duryea and Lizabeth Scott,considered to be a great Film Noir(it is!!).
A must see if you haven't seen it is "Unbreakable".PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE,DO NOT READ THE SYNOPSIS OR watch any trailer to it TRAILER,THEY ARE SO STUPID AS NOT TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN A SPOILER AS TO THE GENRE OF THE FILM,THUS GIVING THE GAME AWAY !!!. Like a lot of films best watched without any idiots spoiling the "plot"for you. Sony Classic channel also have some good old films. |
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Gordie1956.the treasure of Sierra madre has got to be up there with the best B/W films ever made.John Hustons directorial debut,fantastic cast brilliant theme music.Mexican bitpart actors to die for,who can forget the Bandito,when asked to show his badge,goes into the big rant badges badges I don’t need no stinking badges.Stay safe watch more old movies.
The chief bandit was played by Alfonso Bedoya He died the way a bandit should - Bedoya completed filming The Big Country in November 1957, in California, and returned to Mexico City on December 8. Eight days later, after a night of partying with manicurist María Lucía Solana Martínez, Bedoya died of a heart attack in a Mexico City motel room. |