Knives out for Boris

Sorry, meant to post this on politics forum but it's here now.

Damning article which is hard to argue against.

Surprised it has taken up to now.

Since returning from illness, Boris has looked knackered physically and mentally. He breathes like a 60-a-day man and seemed not to understand everything he was asked at Prime Minister's Questions. If he does not recover over the summer, it would not surprise me if he retires rather than wait for the putsch talked about in the paper. He's not up to it and he does not even seem to be enjoying the job.

He was nothing more than a charismatic buffoon to get them the majority, he beat a party full of morons and clowns, and even then the media had to absolutely demonise the c*** out of Corbyn

He got them the majority needed through peoples liking of his buffoonery character which was likable. Got them the scrapping of the human rights act which we have all the voters being idiots who voted for it.

Now he's needed to move aside for a more articulate public speaker... step forward Sunak

Gawn

No way he will go, nobody would dare try and push him either, especially as he has been ill in ICU

Teresa was far worse and she hung on for dear life for what seems like an eternity

I don’t think you understand  Juce

They are giving £8 Billion of tax payer money every month to ordinary working people for doing nix!

Rather than bailing out the rich they are showing how trickle up works much more effectively

The fact he is a bumbling fool and worse than useless matters not a jot. He is not atm protecting the interests of the rich and that is a heinous crime for any Tory PM. I also believe he is a changed man and might start trying to defend the interests of the dispossessed. I mean can you imagine the Tories giving the nurses a healthy pay rise?

I also think he is still ill and this could be used as a pretext

May 20, 2020 -- 6:37AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

I don’t think you understand  JuceThey are giving £8 Billion of tax payer money every month to ordinary working people for doing nix!Rather than bailing out the rich they are showing how trickle up works much more effectively The fact he is a bumbling fool and worse than useless matters not a jot. He is not atm protecting the interests of the rich and that is a heinous crime for any Tory PM. I also believe he is a changed man and might start trying to defend the interests of the dispossessed. I mean can you imagine the Tories giving the nurses a healthy pay rise?

Most countries are giving money away at the moment, don't worry they'll get it back

anyway WD just seen this and thought you it would be right up your street!!

https://twitter.com/StickboyBangkok/status/1262983050150858752?s=20

What is not funny is that you will not get hand sanitizer on a busy high street or Railway Station in this country still!

We are backward!

Hand sanitizer everywhere here and the obligatory temperature check

another slicing and dicing live on tv at 12 o clock co,ming up,unless his chief aid lends him his chicken suit,

be interesting wouldn't it if doris walked away ,4 months ago
hancock stood, about to be thrown under a bus in disgrace
gove been blew out more times than a windsock, not trusted by anyone even in tory party
stewart no longer their
notsocleverly been missing not,sighted heard of for 3 months in biggest crisis for 75 years
hunt got his hands in blood over this whilst health sec,
javed been upstaged by sunak

but blue rinse tory member,s will be horrified putting sunak in charge
mrs may ,might well run again

Said it weeks ago, and I still believe. I think he will walk at the end of summer. He's clearly not up to the job, realises that with every passing day and now Labour have someone competent in charge he's at real risk of being a laughing stock. Given the virus, the new baby etc he will simply do a dewy-eyed 8 page spread in The S*n to explain why he's had to take this momentous decision to pass the baton on etc.

Eden and Macmillan are both precedents for the "too ill to carry on" excuse to mask failure.
Boris must be regretting forcing the mediocre Saj out and replacing him with the new star.

jesus looking at photo,s in todays mail on line doris needs to stand down ,looks like a corpse on legs

'I predict Boris Johnson will be out by Christmas. He was never up to the task of leading this country'

He sounds like someone on here that lost money opposing Boris in the Tory leadership election having said he would never win.

The author is very odd. This is an editorial from someone who claims to have voted Brexit yet starts the piece off talking about the £350m a week for the NHS.

Boris is loved throughout the UK. He is doing a leveling up exercise and got Brexit done.

If there was an election tomorrow he would storm home again.

All the best to your planet IT.

Same people who thought Boris would not get a majority in November or even be elected leader are back on this thread.

he hasn't got anything done besides agreeing to a border in the irsh sea,and killing 22,000 people in care homes as compared to zero in care homes in hong kong,them,s the facts like,em or loathe,em
after att general bucklands remarks this morning hancock or doris or both could well be in a court of law in the years to come

Interesting you pick Hong Kong as your comparison rather than New York or France or Italy or Spain or Belgium.

Hong Kong has FOUR deaths from Covid.

exactly and where 1000,s of miles away ,with months notice and had 65,000,thats rather the point, luckily doris and hancock had a ring of steel around care homes or lord no,s how many deaths we,d have had

hong kong,taiwan,greece,new Zealand,ozz, s korea, take your pick loads of examples of country,s closer to epicentre with much less notice,blowing uks response out of the water

Ideally I agree you would have done that.

Ideally the whole of Europe would have done that.

But remember at the time Professor 'Lockdown' Ferguson somehow weaseled his way into influencing policy claiming the NHS was about to be over run with a tsunami of people needing treatment.

Sky news stoked the fear by filming one hospital in Italy that was struggling.

That started a chain of events that led to the priority of clearing hospitals of people who were not dying, expansion of hospitals and moving of older patients back to carehomes.

It also led to PPE being stacked up by many hospitals that did not need it. We also had agency stuff going in and out of carehomes.

With hindsight Ferguson's work would have been ignored (due to his previous form he should never have been in the room) and the focus would have been on the ring of steel around the elderly and vulnerable with the young and fit carrying on  their lives with social distancing.

Interestingly, IT's defence of Johnson seems to be that he's a terrible judge of character, unable to personally critique data and make informed decisions, is subservient to media influence, can't organise a health emergency at a national level and is very slow to change his mind.

With hindsight maybe he's not up to it.

Yes I am critical of why we went into lockdown and the over reaction to the Ferguson dossier.

Other countries made the same mistakes. I think the fear of being the outlier also influenced policy.

Their is no evidence that locking down the young/fit has saved any lives.

Many,many lives have been saved by locking down young people,they in turn haven't infected older people,hth.

So how would you rate Johnson's performance during this crisis IT? Marks out of ten.

as Richie benaud would say didn't trouble the scorer,s

lapsy. You are far more relaxed than I am about removing basic freedoms from millions of people. You could of course just have locked up the old and vulnerable if they needed protecting or perhaps even let them make up their own minds after giving them the facts.
Lets see in a couple of years what the excess deaths figure over the period is as we may yet find out saving lives was more a case of delaying deaths by a few months.

we could have a legalised cull every winter, GET DYING DONE  and dusted

I assume that in the next couple of years, the deaths will be lower than average as all those who were at the front of the queue have just been swept up by covid..yes?

If covid19 stays around for any period of time then its a ticking time bomb for the elderly

doris probably had a result in that excess deaths compared to yearly average,with a mild winter deaths before covid would probably have been lower than usual this year,so excessive deaths been compared to average yearly deaths might be an under estimate

Indeed geordie1956 but thats life for you. Tomorrow is owed to nobody. On the plus side perhaps it might encourage some of these fat diabetics to take more interest in their health and they may live longer as a result.

Yes I know thats optimistic as the stress of this will probably lead them to eat more donuts.

wrong again,against all thoughts ,predictions,its type 1 diabete,s rather than the type 2 ,that's been the underlying condition

Can u give me some numbers 1st time to back that up as the figures ive seen state quite clearly more type 2 diabetica have died that type 1. I think you are just quoting the increased risk element without looking at the numbers.

I probaby am Dotchinite(more relaxed),whether lockdown or not,the economy was bolloxed over this anyway,the difference is that more lives have been saved and more people not ending up half fc ked like Boris.

Anyway just a difference of opinion between us, i respect yours.

As I do yours lapsy and we will both need the benefit of hindsight to see if it has saved lives. Im worried that once we add in all the deaths that are going to be caused by economics recession and a health service that isnt treating other serious conditions we will end up with the worst of all results.

Just for arguments sake say there wasn't a lockdown,tubes/trains,sport,concerts all continued as was the norm,how long before peoples twigged something wasn't right?
An easy question as they twigged things weren't right prob from the start of March,it did stagger on for awhile though schools, etc took it on themselves to shut down.
The rest might have continued though gradually slowing throughout April,however the deaths couldn't have been hidden, X times more,your guess as good as mine,
What we had was a fairly lax lockdown,it is working albeit slowly,almost capable of returning to some form of yesterdays norm though it might be a few weeks off that.
That has worked for other countries and will work for the UK which is behind.

There was a recession coming over this whatever way,all because of social distancing, people weremore afraid of covid than other things and avoided hospitals due to it,understandable but that is a direct result of covid.

The virus was the excuse to crash everything

They can blame it on cancer deaths and other deaths as well, and they can use the old fashioned blame game and sack half the cabinet etc

No one will know the truth for about 10 years as is always the case, let it slide for half a generation before finally giving the truth, by then our lot wont care one iota and the kids growing up will have forgotten about it by then as well... winner winner chicken dinner

lapsy pa
20 May 20 12:03
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Many,many lives have been saved by locking down young people,they in turn haven't infected older people,hth.

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Rubbish. Almost half care homes been infected regardless of lockdown.

Older and vulnerable people in their own homes can choose to isolate.

Locking up fit/young people has not saved any lives.

Rubbish^ So you are saying no young people won't have infected anyone older and or anyone young that was vulnerable?
Indeed,you are facking lethal,you would have everyone killed.

Not if the old/vulnerable people were protected. Why would they? How does it happen if the old/vulnerable are isolated.

Ive no doubt that younger people would have infected older people had the older ones not managed to isolate but the brutal reality is you cannot lock up people indefinitely just to stop them possibly infecting others with an illness.
If you could have guaranteed one lockdown of a month or 6 weeks would solve the issue then it may have been justifiable but thats not the case.
You cant keep locking people up every time theres an outbreak so sooner or later the only solution is for the old/sick to protect themselves. Given the economic damage lockdown has caused it makes sense to accept that sooner rather than later.

May 20, 2020 -- 6:11PM, Dotchinite wrote:

Ive no doubt that younger people would have infected older people had the older ones not managed to isolate but the brutal reality is you cannot lock up people indefinitely just to stop them possibly infecting others with an illness. If you could have guaranteed one lockdown of a month or 6 weeks would solve the issue then it may have been justifiable but thats not the case. You cant keep locking people up every time theres an outbreak so sooner or later the only solution is for the old/sick to protect themselves. Given the economic damage lockdown has caused it makes sense to accept that sooner rather than later.

They keep teasing about a vaccine to keep the plebs in line
Everyone's desperate for Uncle Billy's beetlejuice to thrust into their blood system
The mongs will be queuing up like it's the New Year's sales desperate for a hit

So you are saying protect every one say over 30 40, 50?  How would the nhs in particular  work like that and also the over 50 essential workers?

Maybe you can volunteer to be a bus driver,work in a hospital?

Why isn't your wife self isolating on her own and leaving you get on with keeping the economy going,you can move out and roll your sleeves up?

You want jam on it,keep the economy going but let the plebs do it,same as schooling, note the "toff" schools not opening,typical.

Id have thought you let people above 60 or ones with genuine health conditions (not Obesity) choose if they want to be locked down and then give them the assistance they need. I dont think most even in their 50s like me have anything to worry about.

Of course I could be wrong and if I am my gravestone will say "he said it was only a cold".

lapsy pa
20 May 20 17:18
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So you are saying protect every one say over 30 40, 50?  How would the nhs in particular  work like that and also the over 50 essential workers?

Maybe you can volunteer to be a bus driver,work in a hospital?

Why isn't your wife self isolating on her own and leaving you get on with keeping the economy going,you can move out and roll your sleeves up?

You want jam on it,keep the economy going but let the plebs do it,same as schooling, note the "toff" schools not opening,typical.

^

Have had to work from home for last decade since my wife got sick. I cannot leave her to feed for herself as she need care.

I work from home as always have done and earn money and pay my taxes as before.

Not sure quite what your point is.

My point is you are trying to push everyone back to work to keep the economy going but you aren't leaving the house yourself.

If the goverment like other European goverments gave out ppe at transport hubs and even workplaces subsidised (if it was available) it would be a lot cheaper "out", make confidence,and better money spent on a lot of what they have done t0 now.