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14 May 20
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Following my request to NHS England yesterday they started publishing hospital deaths by underlying conditions.
Remember that have not got the data on everything for every condition yet
But this is what they have just put out...
Remember people can have more that one condition...
Received treatment for a Mental Health condition 1,020
Learning Disability and or Autism 451
Asthma 1,549
Chronic Kidney Disease 3,214
Chronic Neurological Disorder 731
Chronic Pulmonary Disease 3,254
Dementia 4,048
Diabetes 5,873
Rheumatological Disorder 705
Ischaemic Heart Disease 362
Other 15,567
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My question is - is mental health condition something that has anything to do with Covid? Surely they should only mention underlying conditions linked to it.
Also would like to know what the 15,567 of 'other' is.
Surprising low numbers with heart disease.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Remember that have not got the data on everything for every condition yet
But this is what they have just put out...
Remember people can have more that one condition...
Received treatment for a Mental Health condition 1,020
Learning Disability and or Autism 451
Asthma 1,549
Chronic Kidney Disease 3,214
Chronic Neurological Disorder 731
Chronic Pulmonary Disease 3,254
Dementia 4,048
Diabetes 5,873
Rheumatological Disorder 705
Ischaemic Heart Disease 362
Other 15,567
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My question is - is mental health condition something that has anything to do with Covid? Surely they should only mention underlying conditions linked to it.
Also would like to know what the 15,567 of 'other' is.
Surprising low numbers with heart disease.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
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Patients who have died form COVID-19 may have had more than one pre-existing condition. Separately identified pre-existing conditions are reported in this table. Information on Learning Disablity and Autism and those who have received treatment for a Mental Health condition are collected separately from other conditions listed. The accuracy of the information provided on all pre-existing conditions is reliant on the availability and transfer of information by reporting providers from patient records . The date from which information was collected about different pre existing conditions varies and is stated in the table. The data include all deaths reported to NHS England from acute, mental health, learning disability and autism services, provided by NHS providers or providers of NHS funded services. On deaths specifically in Mental Health and Learning Disability and/or Autism inpatient settings, we have been informed of 76 patient deaths, the majority occurring in acute older adult organic or functional services. In these inpatient settings, 14 deaths occurred for patients detained under the Mental Health Act and 3 deaths occurred where the patient was of BAME background. As all these deaths were in hospital they are included in the figures in the table above. |
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Ethnicity also out...
British (White) 17,117 Irish (White) 219 Any other White background 751 18,087 White and Black Caribbean (Mixed) 44 White and Black African (Mixed) 14 White and Asian (Mixed) 28 Any other Mixed background 69 155 Indian (Asian or Asian British) 665 Pakistani (Asian or Asian British) 448 Bangladeshi (Asian or Asian British) 146 Any other Asian background 366 Caribbean (Black or Black British) 601 African (Black or Black British) 394 Any other Black background 199 Chinese (other ethnic group) 78 Any other ethnic group 585 3,482 Not stated 1,855 No match 374 |
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So it's striking folk pretty randomly
With some increased risks The underlying conditions would not have killed them, in general, had they not contracted corona What are underlying conditions distribution within the population? |
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Following my request .....
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I requested him to request it
No acknowledgement  |
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Only been noting from Ischaemic Heart Disease since May 1st
From the date the measure was introduced 10% of deaths had Ischaemic Heart Disease. These are the percentages of deaths since the condition was listed that had the condition..... Other 70% Diabetes 26% Dementia 18% Chronic Pulmonary Disease 15% Chronic Kidney Disease 14% Ischaemic Heart Disease 10% Asthma 7% Received treatment for a Mental Health condition 4% Chronic Neurological Disorder 3% Rheumatological Disorder 3% Learning Disability and or Autism 2% ^ 26% of deaths had Diabetes |
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----you-have-to-laugh---
14 May 20 14:09 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 8,173 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog I requested him to request it No acknowledgement ^ SORRY. YES IT WAS WHO YOU REQUESTED THAT WE PUT IN A REQUEST. GOOD CALL. |
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Autism,... Really
Learning difficulty... Really That's a huge whack of folk What do they estimate for % of UK population with those conditions? |
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So what valid conclusions can be drawn from these figures ?
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mental health means many would have been in care homes,care in the community,mental health was hardly seen as a death sentence 3 months,these figures were produced because families with family with mental health conditions knew they were dying of covid because of been in homes
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That the term underlying condition has been maxed out to distract gullible
folk from the danger of corona. |
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----you-have-to-laugh---
14 May 20 14:07 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 8,173 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog So it's striking folk pretty randomly With some increased risks The underlying conditions would not have killed them, in general, had they not contracted corona What are underlying conditions distribution within the population? ^ Diabetes 26% of deaths 6% of people in UK have it Chronic Pulmonary Disease 15% of deaths 2% of people in UK have it Chronic Kidney Disease 14% of deaths 4.5% of people in UK have it Ischaemic Heart Disease 10% of deaths 4% of people in UK have it Asthma 7% of deaths 12% of people in UK have it |
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Might as well record which football team they supported
Or if they attended Cheltenham races which had Randox as a sponsor and fund a tory mp |
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Chronic Pulmonary Disease 7.29
Diabetes 4.38 Chronic Kidney Disease 3.20 Ischaemic Heart Disease 2.58 Asthma 0.58 If we look at percentages of deaths/percentage of population that have the condition COPD is by the far the worst. Then Diabetes, Kidney, Heart. Asthma actually lower than in general population. Of course many of these people been shielding so dangers likely to be higher? |
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People with autism and learning difficulties may have problems adhering to social distancing.
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Shielding after lockdown
So you would have needed these figures by date to check that |
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People with autism and learning difficulties might find themselves naturally socially distanced.
Without full figures it's all guess work These figures are interesting, and raise lots more questions |
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Asthma like smoking producing unexpected figures
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----you-have-to-laugh---
14 May 20 14:26 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 8,178 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog Shielding after lockdown So you would have needed these figures by date to check that ^ Most started collecting from March 31st. Ischaemic Heart Disease was only from 1st May. Fact 10% of deaths since 1st May was from Ischaemic Heart Disease worries me as those people should have been in lockdown for 6 weeks by the time they died. |
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In terms of shielding after June 30th things like COPD appear to be a no brainer.
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I don't think Diabetes was on the shielding list!
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lots of them are in care homes,living alongside the elderly,care in the community,
goes back to the higher the amount of the virus,droplets you get,the more severe the virus hits you as I trade to tell IT,weeks ago but lots of fit under 4o,s in a care home rife with covid and more of them would suffer more severe consequences, as proved by nhs/ care workers been 6 times more likely to get severe bout of the virus |
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Doesn't matter when they started unless you have it blow by blow
As you suggest there are some no brainers for special shielding when most of us are getting back to normal |
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Don't think these Ethnicity figures will suit the Bame brigade!
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That would be dependent on what you determine "suit" to mean along with adjusting raw numbers alongside proportion within the general population.
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Obesity was considered the 2nd worst factor recently , of course there would often be conditions associated with it.
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be bundled in with the diabetes type 1 and 2 figure
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Obesity and diabetes were actually in the moderate risk group originally.
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15567 Other? Like what?
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HGS
14 May 20 15:09 Joined: 12 Apr 05 | Topic/replies: 3,562 | Blogger: HGS's blog 15567 Other? Like what? They could be the same things listed just not registered yet or different things. The data is coming in hospital by hospital with delays. For instance we only have 362 from Ischaemic Heart Disease as data only from 1st May and 3,502 died since then in total. For 30,000 dead overall could estimate another 2600 ish of the 15567 are with Ischaemic Heart Disease. Crude calcs but it is all we have to go on right now. |
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Of course, it would be helpful if similar data could be released for those who have recovered.
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stewarts rise
14 May 20 14:39 Joined: 22 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 21,085 | Blogger: stewarts rise's blog Don't think these Ethnicity figures will suit the Bame brigade! ^ White British are 79% of deaths and 79.8% of the population of England. Considering the number of deaths in built up London (where White British is 44.9%) it looks like white British deaths might be overly represented and we might need a public inquiry into this. I suspect if we went trust by trust we would find this to be the case. |
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Lots of old white folk slaughtered in care homes easily balance out non white deaths in front line workers
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Add in other deaths not recorded as corona and balance could tip even further
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Probably 40% of deaths not even been recorded as corona or the tests that were positive from private labs have not been recorded on national database so cannot be attributed
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Has anyone died of flu since February? Pneumonia and cancers also not mentioned.
Old age kills a fair few.... |
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----you-have-to-laugh---
14 May 20 15:30 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 8,192 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog Lots of old white folk slaughtered in care homes easily balance out non white deaths in front line workers ^ Data presented here are hospital deaths in England where person had tested positive for virus. Nothing to do with carehomes. |
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Also exposes the lie that more "bame" are suffering and dying compared to Caucasians
And it shows what a lie we've been dealing with, so bad that the media are scampering and changing up the narrative daily, it also explains why there was a sudden move to include care homes and wider community, only that just exposes the lie even more |