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** FINALLY - ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS BY UNDERLYING CONDITION PUBLISHED **
** FINALLY - ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS BY UNDERLYING CONDITION PUBLISHED **
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He doesn't accept proof he doesn't like
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No idea if that's aimed at me or YHTL, Denzil
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Wasn't most of the BAME stuff regarding NHS/care workers?
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Depends what media you consume there's been many hateful woke/PC types claiming with evidence that coronavirus is racist
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https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/bame-covid-19-deaths-what-do-we-know-rapid-data-evidence-review/
I can't be ar$ed to wade through the data today but there's plenty out there which should be reliable enough. |
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I've read the words on the study you can see how the media has used such info,that and similar observational studies are likely what's triggered a release of full data by ONS.
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'Some 26 per cent of people who have died since March 31 had diabetes'
How many healthy people died ? |
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Overall up to 12th May 5pm in English Hospitals...
1245 people with no pre-existing conditions 22708 people with pre-existing conditions 95% of deaths had pre-existing. |
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Well if other conditions count as underlying conditions and autism is a defined condition there is a long way to go before these figures have any true meaning
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What about age and where is the cancer rate and heart disease?
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95% is lower than I thought, would have said 98% myself but 95 is still pretty damn high lets be honest
So they've shut the world down for a virus that predominantly only effect old people with pre-existing conditions  And why had flu/influenza dropped? and why is there no cancer deaths? |
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Strokes where are the strokes RTA how many hadays been knocked down by a bus
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Top 6 were, diabetes, Dementia, COPD, Kidney disease, Heart disease & Asthma.
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SS I agree with your basic premise to isolate the at risk 5% and let the 95% go about their normal lives. Madness to wreck the economy for the relatively small number at risk .
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Just confirms what we already knew ie that anyone under 60 who has no underlying conditions and isnt a lazy fat slob hasnt got much to worry about.
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The bbc have nothing on their website about the diabetes deathrate.
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1 in 400
Well done on giving the economy to the parasites that's all I've got to say, people should have known better on day when the symptoms matched up with the flu ffs And they now want you to avoid public transport and ride a push bike to work, "escooter".... Christ  |
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Ibrahima Sonko
14 May 20 17:38 Joined: 03 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 74,947 | Blogger: Ibrahima Sonko's blog The bbc have nothing on their website about the diabetes deathrate. ^ Thats why we put in a request for the data. So the Betfair forum members can be better informed. |
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macarony
14 May 20 17:11 Joined: 13 Mar 05 | Topic/replies: 4,801 | Blogger: macarony's blog What about age and where is the cancer rate and heart disease? ^ Heart disease we have running at 10% Cancer no info. Age: 0 - 19 yrs 12 20 - 39 175 40 - 59 1917 60 - 79 9346 80+ 12710 12 people under 20 have died but there are concerns about starting primary schools. Strange world we now live in. |
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Bbc just had feature on news about it
Can't be long before it's on website What % of population have underlying condition? What % of population have no underlying condition but get diagnosed On admission via corona? Are these figures known? Seem to remember diabetes is about 6% of population Are there any combos that are super high risk? Kidney problems has been mentioned before as targeted by virus |
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About 15 million people in England have a long-term condition (1). Long-term conditions or chronic diseases are conditions for which there is currently no cure, and which are managed with drugs and other treatment, for example: diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, arthritis and hypertension.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-disease-and-disability-long-term-conditions-multi-morbidity 20,000 down, 14.8 million to go. |
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It is going to be extremely important that this data is properly and readily available so the advise given out at the end of June on shielding is rock solid.
They also need to use people the facts so they can make up their own minds on if they want to keep staying in. The use of the data is going to key to keeping Covid deaths down whilst firing up the British economy. |
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Economy won't fire up if public don't feel safe
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Beg pardon. 20,000 down, 14.98 million to go.
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It's worth taking the time to lift the lockdown correctly and not sacrifice more lives for corporate profit
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Basically, a third of the population is at very high risk of dying if catching this virus.
The next twelve months are going to be interesting to say the least. |
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Its not about corporate profits why cant you see that. Its about real peoples livelyhoods, their houses and lives and the public services our state can pay for.
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if you add the asthma + pulmonary sufferers together you get 4803 .(But more than likely they were smokers who stopped when they developed their lung conditions) yet the death rate of current smokers world wide is .08 of 1%.
so smokers who give up smoking got very bad results yet the current smoker is next to immunity for the virus. now that tells a real story. |
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screaming Please dont scare them anymore than they already are.
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Continuing to pay those 15 million to stay indoors and immobile isn't going to help matters either.
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Smokers and asthma sufferers seem to have a good outcome from the virus
compared to non Smokers and those without asthma. |
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People need to be out and about and getting healthy
Lets disinfect all the bacteria we need to interact with to increase our immunity ffs |
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All right, Dotchinite.
 The optimistic way of looking at it is that there are 14.98 million people in England who ought to have died of this disease, but haven't. It's all a bit of a mystery. (I do still think there's a possibility that we'll be looking back on this spring one day as the good old days, before we appreciated just how dreadful the future was going to be.) |
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OF course theres a slight exaggeration when you say these 15 million "have a very high risk of dying".A more accurate way would be to say these 15 million have an increased risk compared to the remainder of the population who face a minimal chance of dying and shouldnt give it a second thought. However the vast majority of them will still survive despite their illnesses.
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---you-have-to-laugh---
14 May 20 18:52 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 8,201 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog Economy won't fire up if public don't feel safe ^ Exactly right. It needs to be spelled out to people where the risks are. For instance the people not wanting to go back to school. Why? 12 under 20s have died and 9 had underlying conditions. Lets get the schools open ASAP. If teachers or kids live with people at high risk then maybe they do not go in. Be flexible. But lets get the 80-90% of kids and teachers that can go back resuming their education. |
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Lets not keep making the mistake of locking down the many who are low risk and failing to protect those who are at risk.
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poor dotch renting or mortgaged to the eyeballs,cant sleep at night its only 295 billion,come down 60 billion over night
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