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GEORGE.B
14 May 20 10:07
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11618237/flu-jabs-every-brit-coronavirus/

Under the guise once again of "Protecting the NHS"

But Prof Dingwall, who has had no involvement in the plans, said the Government needed to decide in the next week — or risk facing supply problems.
He said it could cost £500million but that it would be a sound investment.

Nice pay days all round for some people.

A BMJ article from 2014 questioned the benefits of mass flu vaccinations.

https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6182

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By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 14 May 20 10:35
Not sure why they need to decide next week but even if it is not enforced, there will be a massive take up. I would guess >65%.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 10:55
You cannot force a fellow human being to be injected with something from big pharma.

Would be disgraceful.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 10:57
They will try. Thank god for the forgers Cool
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 14 May 20 11:00
I don't think it will happen although there are precedents for enforced vaccination.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 14 May 20 11:02
That would mean 45 million people attending clinics within a period of a few weeks. About a million people per day!

I don't know what effect it would have on flu, but I can make a good guess on how it might affect the spread of chicom-19.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 14 May 20 11:06
To put it another way - I wouldn't be surprised if flu vaccinations actually get cancelled this year!
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 14 May 20 11:14
The uptake for the seasonal flu vaccination is about 43% in the UK (over 70% for those aged 65+).
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 11:14
The idea you have to force people to do anything for their own health is absurd.

The best thing for the government to do is advise people. Give them the honest facts as they know it and let people make their own choices.

This is how Sweden flattened the Covid curve and has no threat of a 'second wave' or worries about how to get out lockdown.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 11:15
Honest facts rule our mob out trader sadly
By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 12:26
Does this article actually say that flu vaccine will be enforced or compulsory?

If vaccine is free of charge to anybody who wants one (but not illegal to not have one) , would anybody on here object?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 12:33
Denmark have the powers for forced medication I think.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 14 May 20 12:37
Denmark have passed legislation for treatment; not a vaccine.
By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 12:40
It

Are you saying than Denmark can force UK residents to have the flu vaccine this Autumn.

The Sun article didn't mention that.

Would you object if UK provides flu vaccine to anybody living in UK if they want it but won't punish people if they don't have vaccine.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 12:51
InsiderTrader
14 May 20 11:33
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Denmark have the powers for forced medication I think.

^

I assume they can force anything.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 14 May 20 12:52

May 14, 2020 -- 12:37PM, i_agree_with_nick wrote:


Denmark have passed legislation for treatment; not a vaccine.


13 March 2020
10:46 CET+01:00

Denmark's parliament on Thursday night unanimously passed an emergency coronavirus law which gives health authorities powers to force testing, treatment and quarantine with the backing of the police

As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus.

By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 14 May 20 13:00
Denzil, I actually misread the thread title - it's about enforcing uptake of the flu vaccine not a future COVID-19.

However, regarding COVID-19, do you have a link confirming the text you have posted in bold?  When I looked at Denmark's law, I read about enforced testing, treatment and quarantine but nothing about enforced vaccination.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 14 May 20 13:03
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 14 May 20 13:04
Ignore 1:03pm post

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 14 May 20 13:09
Thanks for that.  Both links are the same aren't they?
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 14 May 20 13:12
Aye the first came up 404 not found when I tried to open it
By:
wolf3011
When: 14 May 20 13:14
As others have said, no government should force any individual to subject their own bodies to any injection of a foreign substance against their will. We have enough government interference in every aspect of our lives without being told what to do with our bodies which crosses a line into very dangerous territory .. what's next , a microchip to determine where and what we are all doing 24/7? That said, the phone app recently introduced is veering towards that mentality.
By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 13:19
Wolf

The phone app being tested won't be compulsory in UK will it?

Not even clear if private venues would be allowed to refuse entry to people without app. I suspect the Himsn rights industry would prevent that "discrimination "
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 14 May 20 13:21

May 14, 2020 -- 1:14PM, wolf3011 wrote:


As others have said, no government should force any individual to subject their own bodies to any injection of a foreign substance against their will. We have enough government interference in every aspect of our lives without being told what to do with our bodies which crosses a line into very dangerous territory .. what's next , a microchip to determine where and what we are all doing 24/7? That said, the phone app recently introduced is veering towards that mentality.


Agree wolf dangerous territory
Some in Sweden have been chipped for a couple of years

By:
wolf3011
When: 14 May 20 16:17

May 14, 2020 -- 1:19PM, Mexico wrote:


WolfThe phone app being tested won't be compulsory in UK will it?Not even clear if private venues would be allowed to refuse entry to people without app. I suspect the Himsn rights industry would prevent that "discrimination "


Can't see how they would enforce it but many places may have some kind of entry procedure which means having an app or "vaccine certificate " is mandatory

By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 16:26
I hope they do wolf.

But fear the lawyers will claim it is discrimination against age/ethnicity or something else.

It makes sense if running a restaurant that you take some measures to keep staff & customers safe.
Taking temps (non contact) & checking an app would be fine. Would be easy enough to design app so doesn't provide any information by just opening it up - I.e. Alerts sent by text .

As app not ready yet is all speculation- the reports about the trial don't mention anything about an "all clear" "red alert " actually on the app. Still a lot of people without smartphones.
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