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HERD IMMUNITY IS THE ONLY SOLUTION?
HERD IMMUNITY IS THE ONLY SOLUTION?
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one things for certain dotch is married about his wallet than anyone,s worried about the virus
my area has seen a large spike in confirmed cases in last 48 hrs,afeter ve day parties,bank holoiday week and doris get up and get at speech, any yellow,quacking objects out there like to guess the direction my area is going in next few weeks,  |
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Good question at last on briefing!
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ie why are low and high risk groups not being separated in policy.
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probably the same reason over 50,s have to pay sky high car insurance, because of under 30 boy racer,s for example,
or police resources are taking up with under 40,s drug use,etc,etc |
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You are an idiot 1st time poster as you prove time and time again. You cant even write a sentence that makes sense.
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Basic answer was the risk factors apart from age are not fully known in terms of numbers.
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Doesn't make you stupid !
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Thousands of new cases everyday and yet they are easing measures,the rest of the UK saying no chance,this looks absolutely crazy policy,in your case 1sttimeposter you must be fuming.
Stridingedge,you get a good question and it is answered by what people want to hear but not necessarily put into practice. |
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The govts actions must logically be the difficulty in shielding enough rather than simply just letting out the very low risk to circulate and spread with very little danger to themselves.
I'm not saying it's right but that is surely their thinking. |
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How about moronic?
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I don't think there would be a problem with perceived discrimination Angoose if it were fully explained to people they were in a much higher risk.
Obesity has definitely crept into proceedings more over time. |
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Your point is perfectly valid, however it would be a very dangerous road to go down.
How would you switch off such attitudes ? |
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my area included the famous v e day street party plastered all over the media,if the science is to believed that wont show for 10/14 days, you,d think zero chance of Teesside been under the R1 NUMBER ,in 3 weeks time
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Yes I'm not saying what's the right or wrong way just listening on here sometimes you'd think the govt don't have all this info about the risk groups of course they do.
What looks obvious to some on here (me included), for some reason is not what they are seeing. So something else must be going on in the background thinking. If we had Germany's deaths they may be looking at it differently too, think they are spooked at getting it wrong coming out of lockdown because many are unhappy with their early actions into lockdown. |
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Proving very tricky to open up the country again. Nightmare situation of their own making.
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pa, your right but remember they control the release of the figures and all data so you will only see what suits the agenda
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They will need to watch hospital admissions on teesside to see if the ve day parties have pushed up r
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This weekend will be highly indicative of how the mixed messaging has bene interpreted by the public.
Combine that with lockdown fever, and we could have a problem. |
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Spot on Insider. Been saying same for weeks. The economic damage to this country is immeasurable and we're in this predicament mainly due to bad scientific judgement and models.For this reason, I don't blame the politicians - they are not scientists. Surely they could have seen from Italy/Spain etc that the vast majority of fatalities were oldies/fatties and people with underlying health problems? These people should have been locked down and assisted.The country should not have been shut down. Will be surprised if an effective vaccine is found for any corona virus.However damage is now done. Total **** up.
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they are trying to get back to something like normal with as much face saving as possible
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Possible Angoose
I do think though a lot of the problem now is people are scared about going back into normal life rather than being annoyed if they were not allowed to because they were told the risks were substantially higher. eg obese 50+ It doesn't make sense to me to social distance young kids when returning to school, this is surely based on the parents fears rather than the risks among the kids. OR The extra transmission the kids would pass on if they spread it around (at low risk to themselves) to more vulnerable adults. I'm not sure these transmissions are fully understood still.Anything with doubts is spooking the govt because the deaths have been higher than they had hoped they could restrict them to. |
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They’ve frightened people so much, now they have to coax them back to normality.
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A lot of countries have fcuked up the shielding of the most vulnerable certainly not a UK thing even Sweden.
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stridingedge
12 May 20 16:56 Joined: 14 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 56,491 | Blogger: stridingedge's blog A lot of countries have fcuked up the shielding of the most vulnerable certainly not a UK thing even Sweden. ^ I agree. Ultimately the success of policy (in terms of minimum deaths) in this will be how well a society protected the old and vulnerable. You also cannot shield them for years. They will eventually say enough is enough and come out. If herd immunity or a vaccine is not in place by then we will see terrible amounts of death. |
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"This weekend will be highly indicative of how the mixed messaging has bene interpreted by the public."
I'd rearrange that to: This weekend will be highly indicative of how the mixed interpretation of the public has been to the messaging of the government. What matters anyway is the average interpretation. For those that are scared rabbits, they'll stay indoors. For those that are going stir crazy they'll venture out. Just passed a group of eight 14-18 year olds playing footie on my cycle. On the way back four of them were chatting within touching distance of each other. |
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any arrests?
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I'd sooner judge it by how many under 50s die than how many die in care homes. You can't judge it simply by number of deaths directly anyway. Trashing the economy will kill far more people, and those that aren't killed will have a worse quality of life.
The average life of someone in a care home is 2 years. So on average they'll be 1 year in. That means 1 year is lost and their quality of life is ****. One under 50 has a life expectancy of 35 years or more. So one death of an under 50 year old is worth at least 35 care homes deaths. |
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Stay alert to folk with 125 posts in 20 years bailing out tory SPAMMERS
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All pretty fair that, tis the reality of this horrible situation.
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*CB
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If it was up to me I wouldn't include care home deaths in the figures at all
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Good job it's not up to you
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My uncle has lived in his care home over 10 years
He was enlisted during ww2 He would laugh that he was prepared to give up his life so you could ignore his generation |
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polling says public but life itself over the quality of their future life,the public has spoken,and you,ve been well versed over the last 4 years if you don't like it,swivell on it as the brexiteers would say
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I guess We'll see whether it works or not because isn't Boris putting Herd immunity into place by telling people to go back to work ? He just hasn't told the public that that's what he's trying to do(although most have worked it out)
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From page 22 of their document
Restrictions may be adjusted by the devolved administrations at a different pace in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland because the level of infection - and therefore the risk - will differ. Similarly in England, the Government may adjust restrictions in some regions before others: a greater risk in Cornwall should not lead to disproportionate restrictions in Newcastle if the risk is lower. So, something that there had been significant verbal resistance to doing is specifically mentioned in their plan i.e. regional differences |
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Interesting that no one has an alternate solution so far.
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