May 11, 2020 -- 4:48AM, The Knight wrote:
For all the liberals on here telling us how bad the virus could be....The recession will be a depression if we are not very lucky now. In a depression, the death rate soars. Especially with a 'snowflake' society like we have today. Either the virus is allowed to run its course and we develop herd immunity, or we wreck the country's economy and its health services for at least a decade through trying to preserve life. Both courses of action will result in a lot of extra people dying. Sad, but it really is about time 'Snowflake UK' manned up here and faced facts about how we have a pandemic which could well be as bad as the 1918-20 one. BJ is not up to being PM, in my view, and things could have been done better. BUT, nobody really knows what to do and the constant carping about what governments do actually do is probably affecting their judgment now. It shouldn't of course, but the obsession with social media is a downside of the internet we could have done without. Last night's message was a mess but that comes about through a government trying to please too many people instead of just doing what they think.
Deal with the here and now, the future is uncertain and we can make decisions to deal with that. But seeing as we're just off commemorating VE Day and the sacrifices thousands of people made, I don't want to roll over and sacrifice thousands more for the sake of capitalism. Every decent analysis says Brexit will damage the economy. HS2 is a white elephant, now more than ever. How much will renewing Trident cost? See, it's easy. If you really want to ensure we don't kill further people then simply re-prioritise your policies.
Fact is, we've got recent evidence of what not to do. Austerity was the disaster. There was a choice to cut services and spending to vital areas. If Brown had remained in charge we'd have followed a different route, rebounded quicker and saved thousands of lives killed by austerity. Let's stay safe, get the infection rate down to Feb levels and look to re-open slowly and carefully using practical methods to supress and further outbreaks.
May 11, 2020 -- 6:07AM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Edy, Angoose and PP are you happy that massive decisions have been made on the basis of unaudited dodgy computer code in the UK?Boris even used the 500k number as a marker when announcing policy last night.
Happier with it than some quacksalver, who is known to be economical with the truth when it doesn't fit his goals, along with being known to understand little about science, telling me otherwise, yes.
May 11, 2020 -- 6:24AM, InsiderTrader wrote:
It is interesting people are not even willing to debate any different points of view as far as this Covid thing goes.They blindly believe whatever they are told by the 'scientist' that happens to be promoted to them and ignore all others.
...which is what you are doing... (and have done with other things in the past)
Look, you have been shown that there are studies that children are potentially transmissive, that they emit viruses from their respiratory tract even if they showing mild to no symptoms (the same is true for asymptomatic adults)
That is then where your start thinking, where you use your knowledge on how children behave. Children tend to keep closer distance to each other than a responsible adult would. They are also less likely to keep hygienic standards high at all times.
If you emit viruses for a particular illness, if you keep closer contact, if you don't abide to hygiene as strictly, then it will help the spread.
Not magic, no no, simple logics.
May 11, 2020 -- 6:05AM, InsiderTrader wrote:
PorcupineorPineapple11 May 20 10:53Joined: 03 Dec 15| Topic/replies: 9,504 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blogThe models being used at the moment for making massive decisions would never be used for things like the insurance industry or even by gamblers. They are just not good enough.What's your evidence for this assertion?^Look at Ferguson's code. Not withstanding the assumptions he used in his model are wrong.The random number seeding in the code gave a massive variety in results. Sometimes when run the result is 350k rather than 520k then mess up is something else is going on on the CPU thread. It has so many bugs and errors it simply cannot be trusted.
If I run the CovidSim with the same input parameters it will come back with vastly different results each time?
May 11, 2020 -- 6:39AM, AFTERTHOUGHT wrote:
The Home Office confirms 17 people who are believed to be from Iraq were brought to Dover this morning after being picked up in the Channel by the Border Force. It brings the number who have attempted the crossing to 321 over the Bank Holiday weekend.It's incredible, they sailed in a dinghy all the way past Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman and Yemen, through the Suez Canal, past Egypt, Turkey, Greece, Italy, France, Spain and Portugal. No-one saw them till they were 3 miles off Folkestone.How lucky was that?
Sorry bud, this isn't the thread for wetting yourself about foreigners.
May 11, 2020 -- 6:33AM, The Knight wrote:
stewartsriseAbsolutely bang on.The last election was a scandal.The sensible majority were left with a Hobson's choice.Corbyn and his mad, outdated ideas or BJ and his right wing pals.I have always voted Tory but would have gladly voted Labour last time had they not been led by a man whose ideas were mostly mad and unworkable - and it wasn't a media campaign that made me think that. It was a careful read of his manifesto which was a lunatic document with promises for almost everyone but no ideas how to pay for them.Hence, I voted Tory again but with considerable misgivings. In other words, I voted for the 'least worst'. Politics should NEVER have gotten like this. The general public deserved better than they were offered and I just hope that Kier Starmer identifies how many usual Tory voters like me are so unhappy with BJ and his ultra right wing agenda.If Starmer takes the middle ground our politics so badly need we might have a decent opposition. If not, god only knows where we will end up, unless BJ blows Brexit and then the North will flock back to Labour whatever.The next few years do not look promising for the UK.
Yes, good points.
May 11, 2020 -- 6:39AM, AFTERTHOUGHT wrote:
The Home Office confirms 17 people who are believed to be from Iraq were brought to Dover this morning after being picked up in the Channel by the Border Force. It brings the number who have attempted the crossing to 321 over the Bank Holiday weekend.It's incredible, they sailed in a dinghy all the way past Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman and Yemen, through the Suez Canal, past Egypt, Turkey, Greece, Italy, France, Spain and Portugal. No-one saw them till they were 3 miles off Folkestone.How lucky was that?
wrong thread?
May 11, 2020 -- 6:56AM, InsiderTrader wrote:
edy11 May 20 11:38Joined: 13 Dec 06| Topic/replies: 227,046 | Blogger: edy's blog May 11, 2020 -- 11:05AM, InsiderTrader wrote: PorcupineorPineapple11 May 20 10:53Joined: 03 Dec 15| Topic/replies: 9,504 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blogThe models being used at the moment for making massive decisions would never be used for things like the insurance industry or even by gamblers. They are just not good enough.What's your evidence for this assertion?^Look at Ferguson's code. Not withstanding the assumptions he used in his model are wrong.The random number seeding in the code gave a massive variety in results. Sometimes when run the result is 350k rather than 520k then mess up is something else is going on on the CPU thread. It has so many bugs and errors it simply cannot be trusted.If I run the CovidSim with the same input parameters it will come back with vastly different results each time?^Correct.
How do you know?
May 11, 2020 -- 7:37AM, aaronh wrote:
you expected that from hard leftists on this forum but a proud traditional conservative, you expect better
He's not a proud traditional conservative. He's rather flexible depending on what his masters are promoting at any given time. There was a time at which he wondered if National Socialism, unlike the bad international socialism, would be the answer for the UK.
May 11, 2020 -- 8:19AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:
I'll take the subsequent posts from edy and aaron as a YES to my questionPorcupineorPineappleThere are boats docking daily on the south coast if you're after a bit on the side
Why don't you go to another forum to discuss your unhealthy obsession rather than derail every other thread on here?
May 11, 2020 -- 8:25AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:
politicspunter Read it back you'll spot where it was 'derailed' and it wasn't a Denzil post
Denzil, you do it on virtually every thread, you are unhealthily obsessed.
May 11, 2020 -- 8:50AM, Injera wrote:
Do we receive a mask upon purchase of our ticket? I presume a return ticket garners 2 masks..
Naw, you turn the mask round and use the other side.