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We all know he is working night and day for the British people.
He has survived the most brutal version of Covid-19 and is one of the few to come out of ICU alive.
He must now give us hope and give us a proper plan for coming out of lockdown.
We cannot wait for a vaccine like some sort of besieged medieval castle waiting for reinforcements that might never come.
We must, as a nation, start the fight back tonight.
We need to build the confidence back up of our young healthy people to get back out there.
The WW2 generation just cracked on through Hong Kong flu where tens of thousands died. My grandfather went to work everyday whilst my grandmother was very sick with it. People just carried on. We need to toughen up and get back out there.
Come on BORIS. Sort it out.
Numbers down, deaths down, R down, the job is done is what people will be thinking now
This alert system is a joke and a farce
Fact is people haven't brought into the App nonsense and they know as a wider society it wont be accepted
And that's a step in the right direction?
Good luck to anyone making a long journey to work who doesn't have either a car or bike.
May 10, 2020 -- 8:29PM, differentdrum wrote:
Am I right in thinking that every tom, dick and harry can drive x number of miles to seaside resorts and just spend the day sunbathing? Kids running around everywhere you can just see social distancing being adhered to. And that's a step in the right direction? Good luck to anyone making a long journey to work who doesn't have either a car or bike.
Yep, in England you can drive as far as you like, go and sunbathe at the coast if you wish.
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May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?
Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.
^
In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.
May 10, 2020 -- 8:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.
And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed?
No idea whether they are coming or going the sheep
10 May 20 19:35
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May 10, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.
And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed?
^
And how many were not?
You always ask me for 'evidence' yet never have even a shred of it yourself.
Feels like that statement changed in the last couple of days, leading to an empty message.
May 10, 2020 -- 8:37PM, 1st time poster wrote:
from what I heard the car was only mentioned in conjunction with going to work,not for jollies, confusion reigns
Well, did he not say you could go out as much as you wish, go and sunbathe etc, as long as you tried your best not to use public transport and respected and maintained social distancing?
May 10, 2020 -- 8:39PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Angoose10 May 20 19:35Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,213 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed?^And how many were not?You always ask me for 'evidence' yet never have even a shred of it yourself.
You made the claim and don’t hesitate to dismiss claims of others due to lack of evidence.
Cake and eat it, cake and eat it.
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10 May 20 19:37
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from what I heard the car was only mentioned in conjunction with going to work,not for jollies, confusion reigns
^
And from this Wednesday, we want to encourage people to take more and even unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise.
You can sit in the sun in your local park, you can drive to other destinations, you can even play sports but only with members of your own household.
You must obey the rules on social distancing and to enforce those rules we will increase the fines for the small minority who break them.
May 10, 2020 -- 7:47PM, Angoose wrote:
Move to Sweden then
Don't you just hate these quislings that non-stop moan about "their" country and government? I agree with you that they should just piss off if everything is so bad in the UK and so much better in elsewhere.
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10 May 20 19:40
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May 10, 2020 -- 7:39PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Angoose10 May 20 19:35Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,213 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed?^And how many were not?You always ask me for 'evidence' yet never have even a shred of it yourself.
You made the claim and don’t hesitate to dismiss claims of others due to lack of evidence.
Cake and eat it, cake and eat it.
Angoose
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May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?
Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.
^
You made the claim pal. Give us the evidence that employees have had no say in this in hundreds of thousands of businesses up and down the country.
May 10, 2020 -- 8:45PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
AngooseDate Joined: 18 Jul 02Add contact | Send message10 May 20 19:40Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,215 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:39PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:35Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,213 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed?^And how many were not?You always ask me for 'evidence' yet never have even a shred of it yourself.You made the claim and don’t hesitate to dismiss claims of others due to lack of evidence.Cake and eat it, cake and eat it.Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,215 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^You made the claim pal. Give us the evidence that employees have had no say in this in hundreds of thousands of businesses up and down the country.
Has the disappointment of Johnson’s non-statement caused you significant distress 
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I can partially back up what insidetrader has said, I know someone who works in a car garage quite close to where you live angoose and he was given the choice of whether or not he want to work or take furlough on 80%, he obv laughed and snapped the guys hand off for 80% and a holiday
^
Thanks for the backup. I have heard this is the case in many large and small companies where there was discussions on who gets furloughed.
Angoose likes to ask for evidence but never offers any whatsoever to back up his own points.
Your argument was "Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?"
The counter-argument is that employees can not ultimately decide they want to get 2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing.
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Throwing a bone to the young and fit, telling them to carry on as they like, while not bothering to even mention the most vulnerable groups is cowardly and negligent, imo.
^
Yes it was the lack of plan to offer any hope to old and vulnerable groups that was disappointing.
The only real hope for them is for the young to build up immunity to stop the spread.
Failing that they have to wait for a vaccine that might never come.
Many will not wait months on end with no plan or explanation and will eventually come out and we will see terrible numbers then.
number . This does not destroy the virus because people are still infected . Loosening the rules will increase the R number . More people will
become infected but the same "at risk" groups will continue to die and the same not "at risk" groups will live .
There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus so it is anyone's guess when that will happen . If you are at risk and are able to make changes to
your health and lifestyle , take responsibility . If you can't then be very careful .
Keep your vitamin D levels up .
The devastation if the other 82% of over 85s start saying 'sod it' and come out of isolation before herd immunity is built could be horrendous.
Employers are not bound by law to grant you this but know they could be taken for constructive dismissal if no agreement can be reached and they force the employees hand. Btw I had no say in the process of being furloughed by my company.
There’s no immunity to many illnesses. The body can fight off most but not others. It doesn’t stop us living our lives. I find those people welcoming a prolonged lockdown quite strange.
May 10, 2020 -- 9:09PM, Dotchinite wrote:
Old and vulnerable people know by now the risks and that they need to stay inside. Why does that need mentioning again.
In my opinion they need some hope and encoragement that they are going to be assisted and looked after in a more positive way, Rather than being told they have to hide away and try to survive for several months. They deserve much better than that surely?
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Old and vulnerable people know by now the risks and that they need to stay inside. Why does that need mentioning again.
^
Well there needs to be a plan.
The initial plan was to tell the old and vulnerable to isolate for 12 weeks whilst the rest of the population built up immunity.
Then the old and vulnerable could come back out.
Boris said we could beat the virus back in those 12 weeks.
The vulnerable got those letters saying stay in for 12 weeks. When they are told in could be months or years longer many will give up hope, come back out and enter a society where there is not enough immunity to stop transmission and die. Failing that people in their household will go out and pick the virus up and bring it back to them. They will be picked off one by one.
We have wasted 7 weeks to build up immunity in the population so far. It is building but is going to take longer than if the younger had been out there doing their shielding work. We have just delayed the process I suppose.
More nonsense. More people in the UK have been infected because of early inaction than if you'd acted promptly, introduced restrictions earlier and avoided having to lock down. The strategy at the start was to encourage the spread of it and that resulted in having to lock down because hospitals were on course to be overwhelmed. You'd be more out of lockdown but with less immunity by now if you'd acted promptly.
Make your mind up. You're either in favour of building up immunity more quickly or you're not. You can't be in favour of encouraging the spread and be anti-lockdown at the same time. Encouraging the spread made locking down inevitable.
And don't suggest that because hospitals are empty that ending lockdown immediately is sensible. You are still at the peak of daily new cases when the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany released restrictions after a 4 week steady downtrend of daily new cases to levels approaching pre-lockdown levels. The UK is still at peak and that looks like it's going to end in more restrictions in the short-term.
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'We have wasted 7 weeks to build up immunity in the population so far. It is building but is going to take longer than if the younger had been out there doing their shielding work. We have just delayed the process I suppose.'
More nonsense. More people in the UK have been infected because of early inaction than if you'd acted promptly, introduced restrictions earlier and avoided having to lock down. The strategy at the start was to encourage the spread of it and that resulted in having to lock down because hospitals were on course to be overwhelmed. You'd be more out of lockdown but with less immunity by now if you'd acted promptly.
Make your mind up. You're either in favour of building up immunity more quickly or you're not. You can't be in favour of encouraging the spread and be anti-lockdown at the same time. Encouraging the spread made locking down inevitable.
^
Controlling the spread in non-shielded people from social distancing.
This was the initial policy up to 23rd March and appears to be the policy now with people told to get out more and go to work if they need to.
People will not be fined for driving to the beach or going out more than once a day now. They still talk about 'household' but not sure how they will enforce this. As long as people social distance and they see eachother while out sunbathing I think it will be a breach.
A slow controlled immunity build up should carry on now in the healthy population by default.
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New cases may be rising but hospital admissions falling.
^
Testing more people. Before only people in hospital tested. Now people not ill enough to be hospital being tested.
It may be the policy to control the spread going forward, hopefully it will be, together with contact tracing and some screening of airports, both of which were non-existent at the start too. I can't imagine they haven't learned from their mistake.
Cumbria's tourism board tweeted: "We are awaiting further details but the safety of residents must come first. For now, tourism businesses in Cumbria remain closed and we urge everyone to continue to stay home."
As part of the PM's plans to reopen society, he said from Wednesday people in England would now be able to leave home as many times as they wish for exercise and drive to other destinations in the country for exercise.
People have previously been warned to avoid travelling to beauty spots like the Lake District in Cumbria, as the county still had high infection rates.
If people want to be lock downed that should be their own decision not the Governments!!!
As said above the best hope they have is the rest of us getting herd immunity sooner rather than later.
May 10, 2020 -- 7:07PM, RacingCert wrote:
Reckon 2,3&4 are between 1&5, maybe.
Some of us appreciate what we are looking at, some of us do not 
Finally the main man is BACK.
Glad he has put a smile on your dial.
May 11, 2020 -- 8:13PM, geordie1956 wrote:
Is it proven that building up Herd Immunity works ... in other words if you have had the virus do you build up antibodies to prevent reinfection ... if not then what?
The whole world is fcuked
Nowt you can do about it, people are going to die
Society needs to man up and just get on with it
Pragmatism over ideology, keeping people locked up is not the answer
There are literally thousands of ways to die, yet everybody's scared of this one thing
It's become bizarre where I live
All motorbike riders now wear a 5p mask but NOBODY wears a helmet as the police are just checking masks
The whole safety aspect of a helmet has gone for a burton
Bizarre!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.30.20085613v1
no evidence that children transmit virus more,less or the same as adults
poor old IT been trying to educate the forum for 8 hrs that they don't transmit it at all, IT should be next to his hero doris on the podium,
and he thinks doris played a blinder today,probably comparing doris with himself,
Low infection rate/death toll
Hardly any muslims or Africans in S korea - Low infection rate/death toll
Muslims are kept in certain areas of China
Singapore - the outbreaks from migrants, mainly muslim
etc etc
UK - lots of Africans and muslims, higher death toll
US - lots of Africans , higher death toll
It's not PC to say it but there is obvious correlations that nobody wants to talk about
https://moneyweek.com/economy/global-economy/601264/cluster-busting-japan-success-fighting-covid-19?utm_campaign=money-morning-newsletter
south korea immediately went on test, track and trace.
the reason for the migrant outbreak in singapore is because they live in dormitories.
you are letting your hatred guide you jucel, 2 + 2 = 487438959345348
May 11, 2020 -- 9:04PM, jollyswagman wrote:
japan has an amazing public health system and they wear masks, a really interesting article on their situation herehttps://moneyweek.com/economy/global-economy/601264/cluster-busting-japa... korea immediately went on test, track and trace.the reason for the migrant outbreak in singapore is because they live in dormitories. you are letting your hatred guide you jucel, 2 + 2 = 487438959345348
>Absolute bollocks, Japan wears masks ffs
Yeh that has made all the difference The virus can go in through the eyes too
If it's such a game changer why is it not mandatory across the world?
It's nothing to do with hatred, just FACTS!
In the UK BAME are 4 times as likely to contract
There must be a reason why?!
It's this sort of left wing PC nonsense that stops people asking the serious questions
It apparently doesn't stop you from becoming infected
Look at all the NHS staff that have died in the UK
They are mainly muslims/africans and would have been wearing masks PPE etc
May 11, 2020 -- 9:12PM, jollyswagman wrote:
pmsl, i have had discussions with you not long ago where you mentioned the mask wearing culture in asia
yeh it's mandatory where I live, what's your point?
you are not up to date, there is a thread on here nhs staff have done ok
May 11, 2020 -- 9:13PM, jucel69 wrote:
May 11, 2020 -- 8:12PM, jollyswagman wrote:pmsl, i have had discussions with you not long ago where you mentioned the mask wearing culture in asiayeh it's mandatory where I live, what's your point?
it's not a panacea
May 11, 2020 -- 9:13PM, jollyswagman wrote:
and now you are quoting the w h o an organisation you havge spent much time attacking you are not up to date, there is a thread on here nhs staff have done ok
you are deflecting now jolly!
I don't agree with a lot of the WHO but other studies have said the same
One from the UK last week for instance
i didnt say it is a panacea, it is one thing. i also mentioned that the outbreak in singapore was in dormitories is that true or not? plenty of research pointing to prolonged and repeated exposure indoors being the driver of infection.
126 million people
May 11, 2020 -- 9:34PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
Ashley I do have a silicon face fit mask with filters either side too. Just need a long black coat with a hood.
Jeez WD you must have a huge selection of PPE!
I definitely agree about masks to a certain extent but you need to be meticulous with them
So easy to make a mistake and infect yourself still
I see people wearing the same cheap mask for days.
When they drop it down you can see all the dirt/discolour on the inside from their honking breath
Is it a pride thing or just not socially acceptable?
May 11, 2020 -- 9:42PM, jollyswagman wrote:
how is your area doing jucel? i've a mate in jomtien and last week he said things were starting to reopen?
Still curfew 10pm to 4am but things are starting to open slowly
No booze in restaurants still and bars closed
The official numbers are very low but are BS
May 11, 2020 -- 9:42PM, jollyswagman wrote:
how is your area doing jucel? i've a mate in jomtien and last week he said things were starting to reopen?
A few old timers got put in the monkey house for being on the beach
crazy times!
May 11, 2020 -- 9:51PM, jollyswagman wrote:
on youtube i saw lines of people getting free meals in pattaya, its heartbreaking. even when it reopens not many businesses can survive on cheap charlie expats, they need tourists. in austria it is 14 days quarantine on arrival but you can have a test for a couple of hundred, wait a few hours and then enter if clear. that is one way forward if scaled up, not many people can go on holiday if you have a 14 day lock up that may be at each end.
Yeh people queuing for hours for a plate of rice and a couple of quid
Absolutely it's an absolutely disgusting country, letting people starve to death
They have food cupboards now all over the country, where you put donations in a cupboard and people can help themselves
Typical greedy fcukers just take the lot and resell it down the road
Also seen videos of people fighting over a pack of mama noodles
The economic cost of this madness is absolutely frightening
Find it hard to believe only 10% in London have had it and 4% nationwide.
He did say that was from a while ago?
That would mean 2.7m people in the UK have had it with 32k deaths.
IFR of 1.2% would would be even about Ferguson's 0.9% and well above Germany tests 0.37%.
That means either the tests are old OR we have had a disproportionate amount of old/vulnerable people infected.
If that is the case we have messed this up completely getting the very people lockdown was supposed to protect getting infected and not built up any population immunity in the young.
May 11, 2020 -- 10:15PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
So many unknowns at the moment.Find it hard to believe only 10% in London have had it and 4% nationwide.He did say that was from a while ago?That would mean 2.7m people in the UK have had it with 32k deaths.IFR of 1.2% would would be even about Ferguson's 0.9% and well above Germany tests 0.37%.That means either the tests are old OR we have had a disproportionate amount of old/vulnerable people infected.If that is the case we have messed this up completely getting the very people lockdown was supposed to protect getting infected and not built up any population immunity in the young.
Need to let it rip asap .
The lockdown has failed and caused economic misery, confusion and consternation
They should have stuck with the herd immunity and not listened to that tw@t Ferguson
I said months ago he was a useless ****
May 11, 2020 -- 10:18PM, jucel69 wrote:
Plus I can't imagine many folk queuing up for Uncle Billy's beetlejuice anytime soon
I don't go to the computer repair shop when I'm sick so fcuking no chance I'm letting that insidious creep and his sister/clone/wife inject me
They will have the companies make it "company policy" in regards to the vaccine/tracing app etc, they will change your society's structure, you still get "freedom of choice" whether to get it or not, but if you don't then there's no participating in "our society", they will get the useful idiots to propagate that message, and eventually more and more will accept it to be able to function in this brave new society.
Its simple, you want a job? well you have to accept our company policy and one of them is the covid 19 vaccine, or even the flu vaccine thrown in as well
Emotional blackmail, cheating the system etc
People can only go on holiday if they've had the vaccine, imagine seeing friends posting snaps on Instagram of beach activities, how happy they look and how you're missing out blah blah
emotional blackmail, playing on people's basic instinct to want to fit in, playing on their tribalistic instincts
It would send the average joe/sally absolutely nuts if they couldn't participate in everyday life, and that's where they'll target
That's how it'll work in all working environments
May 11, 2020 -- 11:12PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:
I don't think they'll implement it like that jucel, the more info we get and the further down the road we get and better understand what they want and how they'll get it becomes more apparent They will have the companies make it "company policy" in regards to the vaccine/tracing app etc, they will change your society's structure, you still get "freedom of choice" whether to get it or not, but if you don't then there's no participating in "our society", they will get the useful idiots to propagate that message, and eventually more and more will accept it to be able to function in this brave new society. Its simple, you want a job? well you have to accept our company policy and one of them is the covid 19 vaccine, or even the flu vaccine thrown in as well
correct again
May 11, 2020 -- 11:16PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:
Its quite easy Emotional blackmail, cheating the system etc People can only go on holiday if they've had the vaccine, imagine seeing friends posting snaps on Instagram of beach activities, how happy they look and how you're missing out blah blah emotional blackmail, playing on people's basic instinct to want to fit in, playing on their tribalistic instincts It would send the average joe/sally absolutely nuts if they couldn't participate in everyday life, and that's where they'll target
There will be ways round it, i'm sure!
Fake certs etc
No way the world population will allow nano tech to be inserted via a vaccine.
There would surely be a backlash against that
Changes in net approval of Covid handling below:
UK Govt: +14 (-10 since 10th May)
Johnson: +8 (-17)
Hancock: +10 (-7)
Sunak: +26 (-3)
Starmer: +9 (+2)
