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Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter, chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, criticised the government’s daily briefings, saying that the public are being fed “number theatre”.
Speaking on the Andrew Marr show this morning, Spiegelhalter said he wished data was being shared by people who understood its “strengths and limitations” and could “treat the audience with respect”.
Asked about the Government’s communication to the public through the briefings, Spiegelhalter said he had watched Saturday’s briefing and “frankly, I found it completely embarrassing”.
He said it was “extraordinary” that it is not known how many people have had Covid-19.
“We get told lots of big numbers, precise numbers of tests being done - 96,878. Well, that’s not how many were done yesterday; it includes tests that were posted out,” he said.
“We’re told 31,587 people have died; no, they haven’t, it’s far more than that. I think this is actually not the trustworthy communication of statistics,” he continued.
“It’s such a missed opportunity. The public out there who are broadly very supportive of the measures, they’re hungry for details, for facts, for genuine information, and yet they get fed this what I call ‘number theatre’, which seems to be co-ordinated really much more by a Number 10 communications team rather than genuinely trying to inform people about what’s going on.”
everything else is theatre imo
May 10, 2020 -- 2:28PM, wondersobright wrote:
the only numbers that matter are total deaths & how this compares with normal mortality rateseverything else is theatre imo
I assume you mean how the virus deaths compare with other countries?
May 10, 2020 -- 2:33PM, Just Checking wrote:
In other news, Angoose copy/pastes unattributed articles from the journal of left wing imbeciles "The Guardian", onto chit chat.
"Speaking on the Andrew Marr show this morning"
Something along the lines that some excess deaths, apart from the confirmed Rona deaths, will be the result of either under reporting by health workers who fail to add Covid19 to the death certificate or an above average death rate of people dying in the community from non-Covid causes.
From that I take him to mean that the lockdown could be causing a spike in deaths.
Also touched on the care home crisis saying we know why the death rate is high given the age range of the residents and that hospitals were sending people into these homes without testing them for Covid.
Sticking a fox into the chicken shed.
I'm surprised it took him so long to get his own show on the BBC.
that's exactly what has taken place in england
according to PHE's own figures, the only weeks where we've seen excess mortality since this coronavirus "situation" has been in lockdown
nothing before that
that aligned with a big reduction of hospital admissions tells me that people with underlying health problems who require medical treatment are foregoing that treatment, either by necessity or choice
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/professor-condemns-government-over-number-18228140
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-ministers-criticised-for-failure-to-find-out-through-testing-how-many-people-have-had-covid-19-3fqqq3b69
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/governments-press-briefings-completely-embarrassing-115228676.html
https://www.scotsman.com/health/downing-st-briefings-are-number-theatre-and-not-trustworthy-says-expert-2848258
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/david-spiegelhalter-covid19-statistics-coronavirus-government-a4436471.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/may/10/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-to-announce-covid-19-alert-system
All reporting the same words said from the same mouth.
Watch it hear and hear it first hand if you prefer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbcone
And be sure to wear your hard hat when sat upon your hobby horse. A fall can cause a nasty blow.
I love how conceited smart lefties love to ask questions.
Tell me, if Laura Twatberg on the BBC was to spend her time on news bulletins verbatim repeating the Daily Mail, without even an attempt to say the origin, would your beloved pish journal or yourself perhaps point this out? Would anyone pointing it out be open to "attack"?
Because I don't like sanctimonious dishonest people who spend a quite incredible amount of time (seriously, how many hours a week) on an internet forum hypocritcally shouting about other people being dishonest or not being honest about sources or not being direct, while not being honest about their own motives or sources as everything they do is a dishonest attempt to score points and often quote a journal of stupidity to do so? Hows about that for a start.
May 10, 2020 -- 3:07PM, Just Checking wrote:
Angoose, pretty much every day, you post articles, (even more than once a day) unattributed, from a laughable left wing comic, clearly not posting the link OR the origin as people know it's a joke journal for cretins, THEN attack me for pointing out this "journalstic fact". I love how conceited smart lefties love to ask questions.Tell me, if Laura Twatberg on the BBC was to spend her time on news bulletins verbatim repeating the Daily Mail, without even an attempt to say the origin, would your beloved pish journal or yourself perhaps point this out? Would anyone pointing it out be open to "attack"?
You are so biased Just checking as you make clear in post after post. Your views are therefore fairly irrelevant. You would be far better listening to other folks views.
Do you derive pleasure from doing so ?
So much that is wrong about the truth hating left. Right there above. Horrifying.
No I don't, that is a lie, this is a pathetic troll, a diversion, +++ question mark, blah blah, I won't even dignify you with a reply.
May 10, 2020 -- 3:34PM, Just Checking wrote:
"JC, you routinely launch personal attacks on a largely meaningless anonymous internet forum."No I don't, that is a lie, this is a pathetic troll, a diversion, +++ question mark, blah blah, I won't even dignify you with a reply.
It's true, Just Checking. Perhaps you need to calm down?
900 people weren't dying daily, it was more like 700 and they were getting added weeks later
8th April is still our peak, over 4 weeks ago
Numbers are massively down in hospitals, in fact apart from hospitals and care homes this thing doesn't exist? that was from another scientist
May 10, 2020 -- 3:38PM, aaronh wrote:
in any normal forum Angoose and politicspunter would probably be seen as in the centre but because everyone to the left of Thatcher is far left on this forum they get all this nonsense
Lol, I guess that's right enough.
May 10, 2020 -- 3:41PM, Just Checking wrote:
I love how trolls, when beaten, ignore the point made and attack the man.
As you do, always.
Just Checking • May 10, 2020 2:33 PM BST
In other news, Angoose copy/pastes unattributed articles from the journal of left wing imbeciles "The Guardian", onto chit chat.
no response to the content in the OP
2nd post by JC in this thread
Just Checking • May 10, 2020 2:42 PM BST
Ahh yes Andrew Marr. A man who as a student, was quite literally an evangelestic leaflet distributing Communist.
I'm surprised it took him so long to get his own show on the BBC.
no response to the content in the OP. so many of the most dull neoliberal types had radical politics in their youth, this is nothing new or relevant
3rd post by JC in this thread
Just Checking • May 10, 2020 3:07 PM BST
Angoose, pretty much every day, you post articles, (even more than once a day) unattributed, from a laughable left wing comic, clearly not posting the link OR the origin as people know it's a joke journal for cretins, THEN attack me for pointing out this "journalstic fact".
I love how conceited smart lefties love to ask questions.
Tell me, if Laura Twatberg on the BBC was to spend her time on news bulletins verbatim repeating the Daily Mail, without even an attempt to say the origin, would your beloved pish journal or yourself perhaps point this out? Would anyone pointing it out be open to "attack"?
still no addressing the point
I have no time in my life to argue with stupid little lefties, you will take my points (and hopefully grow a little) or leave them, I care not.
If you've not understood why I, as an adult, don't engage with stupid leftie trolls, you don't understand adults.
The idea I'm going to spend my time answering ? ? ? ? by trolling morons is absurd.
May 10, 2020 -- 3:52PM, Just Checking wrote:
My point is that Angoose constantly posts Guardian article on here, copy/paste without attributing them. Day after day. Often numerous times a day.I have no time in my life to argue with stupid little lefties, you will take my points (and hopefully grow a little) or leave them, I care not.If you've not understood why I, as an adult, don't engage with stupid leftie trolls, you don't understand adults.The idea I'm going to spend my time answering ? ? ? ? by trolling morons is absurd.
Has it occurred to you that you are the trolling moron?
May 10, 2020 -- 3:52PM, Just Checking wrote:
My point is that Angoose constantly posts Guardian article on here, copy/paste without attributing them. Day after day. Often numerous times a day.I have no time in my life to argue with stupid little lefties, you will take my points (and hopefully grow a little) or leave them, I care not.If you've not understood why I, as an adult, don't engage with stupid leftie trolls, you don't understand adults.The idea I'm going to spend my time answering ? ? ? ? by trolling morons is absurd.
everyone knows the source of the articles. you haven't unearthed some big conspiracy by going on about it
you made no points like you never do, just crying about the left
grow up, the reds aren't hiding under the bed any more
