Chit Chat
Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter, chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, criticised the government’s daily briefings, saying that the public are being fed “number theatre”.
Speaking on the Andrew Marr show this morning, Spiegelhalter said he wished data was being shared by people who understood its “strengths and limitations” and could “treat the audience with respect”.
Asked about the Government’s communication to the public through the briefings, Spiegelhalter said he had watched Saturday’s briefing and “frankly, I found it completely embarrassing”.
He said it was “extraordinary” that it is not known how many people have had Covid-19.
“We get told lots of big numbers, precise numbers of tests being done - 96,878. Well, that’s not how many were done yesterday; it includes tests that were posted out,” he said.
“We’re told 31,587 people have died; no, they haven’t, it’s far more than that. I think this is actually not the trustworthy communication of statistics,” he continued.
“It’s such a missed opportunity. The public out there who are broadly very supportive of the measures, they’re hungry for details, for facts, for genuine information, and yet they get fed this what I call ‘number theatre’, which seems to be co-ordinated really much more by a Number 10 communications team rather than genuinely trying to inform people about what’s going on.”
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the only numbers that matter are total deaths & how this compares with normal mortality rates
everything else is theatre imo |
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In other news, Angoose copy/pastes unattributed articles from the journal of left wing imbeciles "The Guardian", onto chit chat.
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JC enjoys riding on his hobby horse.
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It was interesting listening to what he said about the ONS 'Excess deaths'.
Something along the lines that some excess deaths, apart from the confirmed Rona deaths, will be the result of either under reporting by health workers who fail to add Covid19 to the death certificate or an above average death rate of people dying in the community from non-Covid causes. From that I take him to mean that the lockdown could be causing a spike in deaths. Also touched on the care home crisis saying we know why the death rate is high given the age range of the residents and that hospitals were sending people into these homes without testing them for Covid. Sticking a fox into the chicken shed.  |
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Ahh yes Andrew Marr. A man who as a student, was quite literally an evangelestic leaflet distributing Communist.
I'm surprised it took him so long to get his own show on the BBC. |
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From that I take him to mean that the lockdown could be causing a spike in deaths.
that's exactly what has taken place in england according to PHE's own figures, the only weeks where we've seen excess mortality since this coronavirus "situation" has been in lockdown nothing before that that aligned with a big reduction of hospital admissions tells me that people with underlying health problems who require medical treatment are foregoing that treatment, either by necessity or choice |
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PS your post was literally, as usual a copy/paste from the Guardian. Anyone can verify this.
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Does the source change the words that came out of Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter's mouth ?
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Maybe there were two Andrew Marr programmes today and Just Checking was watching the other one?
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JC, you can take your pick of sources reporting on the comments, perhaps one of these may be more to your liking.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/professor-condemns-government-over-number-18228140 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-ministers-criticised-for-failure-to-find-out-through-testing-how-many-people-have-had-covid-19-3fqqq3b69 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/governments-press-briefings-completely-embarrassing-115228676.html https://www.scotsman.com/health/downing-st-briefings-are-number-theatre-and-not-trustworthy-says-expert-2848258 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/david-spiegelhalter-covid19-statistics-coronavirus-government-a4436471.html https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/may/10/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-to-announce-covid-19-alert-system All reporting the same words said from the same mouth. Watch it hear and hear it first hand if you prefer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbcone And be sure to wear your hard hat when sat upon your hobby horse. A fall can cause a nasty blow. |
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Angoose, pretty much every day, you post articles, (even more than once a day) unattributed, from a laughable left wing comic, clearly not posting the link OR the origin as people know it's a joke journal for cretins, THEN attack me for pointing out this "journalstic fact".
I love how conceited smart lefties love to ask questions. Tell me, if Laura Twatberg on the BBC was to spend her time on news bulletins verbatim repeating the Daily Mail, without even an attempt to say the origin, would your beloved pish journal or yourself perhaps point this out? Would anyone pointing it out be open to "attack"? |
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England announces 178 more hospital deaths
no drama today |
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JC, why does it bother you so much ?
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"JC, why does it bother you so much ?"
Because I don't like sanctimonious dishonest people who spend a quite incredible amount of time (seriously, how many hours a week) on an internet forum hypocritcally shouting about other people being dishonest or not being honest about sources or not being direct, while not being honest about their own motives or sources as everything they do is a dishonest attempt to score points and often quote a journal of stupidity to do so? Hows about that for a start. |
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JC attacking the source and not the content, needs to get out of his echo chamber imo
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JC, you routinely launch personal attacks on a largely meaningless anonymous internet forum.
Do you derive pleasure from doing so ? |
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LOL "man points out that person who constantly, day after day, copy pastes to quotes a biased source without refererencing the origin as a biased source - the person pointing this out is the problem".
So much that is wrong about the truth hating left. Right there above. Horrifying. |
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How is bias measured, are you the sole arbitrator ?
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"JC, you routinely launch personal attacks on a largely meaningless anonymous internet forum."
No I don't, that is a lie, this is a pathetic troll, a diversion, +++ question mark, blah blah, I won't even dignify you with a reply. |
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can we get the not biased list of sources please
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JC, do you agree with Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter that the government are engaged in an untrustworthy communication of statistics ?
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It is number theatre
900 people weren't dying daily, it was more like 700 and they were getting added weeks later 8th April is still our peak, over 4 weeks ago Numbers are massively down in hospitals, in fact apart from hospitals and care homes this thing doesn't exist? that was from another scientist |
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in any normal forum Angoose and politicspunter would probably be seen as in the centre but because everyone to the left of Thatcher is far left on this forum they get all this nonsense
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I love how trolls, when beaten, ignore the point made and attack the man.
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JC like many others, say hysterical or just plain wrong nonsense get laughed at and ridiculed for it then basically SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT!!
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PP has always said he's a tory; i've yet to meet one like him
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1st post by JC in this thread
Just Checking • May 10, 2020 2:33 PM BST In other news, Angoose copy/pastes unattributed articles from the journal of left wing imbeciles "The Guardian", onto chit chat. no response to the content in the OP 2nd post by JC in this thread Just Checking • May 10, 2020 2:42 PM BST Ahh yes Andrew Marr. A man who as a student, was quite literally an evangelestic leaflet distributing Communist. I'm surprised it took him so long to get his own show on the BBC. no response to the content in the OP. so many of the most dull neoliberal types had radical politics in their youth, this is nothing new or relevant 3rd post by JC in this thread Just Checking • May 10, 2020 3:07 PM BST Angoose, pretty much every day, you post articles, (even more than once a day) unattributed, from a laughable left wing comic, clearly not posting the link OR the origin as people know it's a joke journal for cretins, THEN attack me for pointing out this "journalstic fact". I love how conceited smart lefties love to ask questions. Tell me, if Laura Twatberg on the BBC was to spend her time on news bulletins verbatim repeating the Daily Mail, without even an attempt to say the origin, would your beloved pish journal or yourself perhaps point this out? Would anyone pointing it out be open to "attack"? still no addressing the point  |
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My point is that Angoose constantly posts Guardian article on here, copy/paste without attributing them. Day after day. Often numerous times a day.
I have no time in my life to argue with stupid little lefties, you will take my points (and hopefully grow a little) or leave them, I care not. If you've not understood why I, as an adult, don't engage with stupid leftie trolls, you don't understand adults. The idea I'm going to spend my time answering ? ? ? ? by trolling morons is absurd. |
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Bap..are you suggesting that Conservative with a small C no longer exists?
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depends what Bap's views are on "One Nation Tory" types are, I expect not too complimentary
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JC, do you agree with Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter that the government are engaged in an untrustworthy communication of statistics ?
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