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Government Confirms 400,000 Turkish Gowns Are Useless
Government Confirms 400,000 Turkish Gowns Are Useless
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Exactly my point. Ignoring reality to attempt to score political points. I'm assuming they had a massive challenge getting the stuff out of Turkey never mind inspecting thousands of boxes for the required quality standards on different PPE. They've decided it's prudent to more prudent to move the stuff than delay it any longer than necessary.
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2 million useless tests
400,000 useless gowns plus all the other substandard and out of date ppe,handjobs bought 4 million to upgrade is app 48 hrs after its fanfare launch 100,s of millions on unused nightingale hospitals  .dont you just long for the days when torys used to make headline news accusing labour of paying 10p and a £1 for paperclips and lightbulbs instead of 14P and £1.50 |
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In all probability all they had to do was open a single box and would have realised it wasn't up to scratch, 10 minute delay possibly.
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Cider, take a look at your post of 11:02, pause and reflect on the words that you chose to write, consider what you stated a government minister should have said in regard to an "urgent" shipment of PPE.
Seriously, I would stop digging if I was you, the hole is big enough already. |
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And you continue to display your ignorance in regard to sampling.
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tbh i would prefer to open up a box of marching powder in front of a dealer, rather than an Ottoman with a barbers comb
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If he felt politically he needed to mention the order, he should have added caveats. Unfortunately for you, maybe, but I'm not in any kind of metaphorical hole.
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Most countries will be purchasing massive quantities of equipment, and no doubt experiencing the same problems on arrival, the idea that you check every plane load BEFORE it arrives is ridiculous.
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How Potlis? so easy for 1 person to go on the flight out,check a few samples,what else are they doing?
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potlis, no one on this thread has suggested that you check every plane load BEFORE it arrives, here is what I wrote
"Indeed, if you were taking supplies from a supplier who wasn't already in your supply chain, it would have been prudent to have an inspector on the plane to perform a sample check prior to loading." |
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That in a medical emergency I wouldn't reject an entire consignment on the basis of sampling. We're looking at this from an emergency perspective, obviously if it was just commercial considerations it would have been handled differently.
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What parson? They would need to be fully qualified to judge if the goods met the appropriate UK standards, and with goods arriving from many countries, where are all these experts.
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Angoose was free, in between copying and pasting from the Guardian.
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Surely the check is done prior to ordering. You need gowns, put a tender out stating your requirements and await replies. Turkish company offers at a competitive price. Then you want to check. Surely you either get someone from the Embassy to go to the factory or get a box DHL'd there same day to sample. Liaise with experts and check that it is the required standard. If it's not, then tell them to do one.
Checks can and should be done way up the chain really. |
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You saying the UK haven't got many PPE experts or only a few Potlis?
If so why not?,i won't think it is rocket science to differentiate between good and snidey PPE,even a fairly junior lackey might have spotted they weren't pukka. |
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How do we now know they are faulty, was a coin flicked and it came up heads for sub-standard ?
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correct me if i am wrong; but didn't the government make a statement back then saying the delay to the flight from Ottoman land was delayed due to checking the goods?
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I'm not answering questions you already know the answer to Angoose. It's simple really. The ONLY thing they could potentially lose by shipping it over first is money. If you're putting financial considerations in front of public health, I'm really doubting your socialist credentials. Or, probably more accurately you're forgoing your usual moralities to use it as another opportunity to attempt political point scoring.
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think i read the company they bought PPE didnt have an export licence
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If that is the case Bap,it is pure incompetence then, someone sent out checkers which couldn't check.
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Wed 22 April
Asked what the hold-up was, the spokesman said: "I don't have the details of the reason for the delay. As I say, we want it to be resolved as quickly as possible and the RAF is able to then bring the cargo back to the UK." |
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*bought PPE from
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That a was a red flag in itself NE Correspondent,no one else in the world wanted them.
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Lapsy, we just happen to be picking on this consignment of PPE but taken to its logical conclusion we would need to inspect every shipment so what about ventilators, drugs, etc, thats not coming from our usual suppliers.
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aye itmust have been the export license checking; amonst other 'things'
"The plane had been dispatched from RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, where two other aircraft have been on standby to pick up further supplies from Turkey since late on 20 April. The Department of Health and Social Care was blamed for failing to secure the necessary export approvals from Turkey after placing the order, but health sources said on 22 April that there were other reasons for the delay. The supplier had contacted the NHS on 16 April to say it could make the 400,000 gowns, and the UK placed an order on 17 April, paying a deposit to secure delivery. But almost immediately it was told there was an unexpected manufacturing delay. Originally three RAF transport planes had been on standby to pick up the equipment, but in desperation a single plane was sent to Istanbul on 20 April to pick up whatever was available, finally heading back the following night. The planes remain on standby at RAF Brize Norton and may fly to Istanbul imminently if there is enough equipment waiting to make the journey worthwhile. “We’ve been told there is another delivery at the airport now, but we are not yet sure if there’s enough to justify a flight,” a defence source said. Turkish sources said they had done everything they could to expedite the shipment, but said Britain had not asked for export approval until 19 and 20 April. Like many other countries, Turkey has placed controls on the export of medical equipment in the light of the coronavirus crisis. Meanwhile, in a round of broadcast interviews, Whately failed to explain why offers of PPE sitting in British warehouses were being ignored in many cases, including 16m face masks identified by the Gruniad" |
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Wasn’t the Government getting some stick, shortly after the PPE arrived, because it only contained 50% of what was ordered, looks like a result now
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& i will ask the question again: what have they been using?
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I am starting to think Cider has taken over Insider Traders profile
Cider just for the record could you kindly confirm you are not Insider Trader or his son? You are the only person defending the incompetence of these clowns, even impossible123 tries to kept quiet. Insider Trader like some of the Tory Party is now a committed Socialist. Are you just making stupid posts' so you can laugh at our indignation or do you really believe anything you post? I have long thought the former for some time I do confess. |
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It's adds a bit of fun and distraction while I'm 'working' to challenge the default loonie leftie majority on online fourms and the like, when the real life majority is categorically demonstrated to be the opposite.
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To be fair to Impossible i think he realised the goverment weren't acting in his best interest when they said there was no need to panic buy and he went shopping in a supermarket with empty shelves 2 months ago.
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@cider.. all i can see here is you digging yourself a bottomless pit which you will never be able to get out of ...
there4 my recommendation is to go and get another crate of strongbow and give your elbows a rest |
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Another poster with a mythical pit or hole. If you think I need people to agree with me on here, you're sadly mistaken
 When they resort to posting about your forum name you can safely conclude to having gained some moderate success ;) |
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Get in the net cider. lol
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Actually I thought Cider was making excellent points
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Of course you did potlis! |