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What The World Is Saying About The UK
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Problem is lux, there are more scientific papers expressing more different opinions on this topic than there are scientists
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We won won
They just jealous Us and the yanks led the way they should look at this and become more humble https://youtu.be/o3Lvej86sVY |
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Like Neil Soros Ferguson, you crack me up. Just a lemming.
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https://youtu.be/04854XqcfCY
UK government playing this at the full parliament sitting They did a better job murdering the elderly and the sick |
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Canna compete with the yanks, sheer number advantage, and just like the Olympics they always mop up the rubbish medals giving us nae chance
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The Australians were about to start the Australian GP on March 15th, only McClaren pulling out made them cancel.
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absurd to suggest locking down say a week earlier would have made any difference - even Italy and spain didn't go for full lockdown until nearly mid march. pretty clear the virus was already deeply embedded here in densely populated areas long before that
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With that logic, why lockdown at all
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Why bother sending for the fire brigade once your house has caught fire
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cos it would have been much worse if left to spread completely unchecked. we already have several massive disadvantages to other major European nations - about half the area of germany, spain and france and London is by a million miles the biggest city in western Europe
a lot of aftertiming going on. for example I last went to football in england on march 4 and I didn't think twice about going. there wasn't even then the slightest thought then all sport would be called off indefinitely just over a week later it escalated incredibly quickly. a week or two advantage over the likes of Italy and spain not much use when the incubation period can be much longer than that |
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THE BIGGEST FAILURE IN A GENERATION,WHERE DID IT GO SO WRONG
Aa the good ship Brexit ,full to the gunnels with ceramic teapots, prepares to leave port as a world leader,the uk government is been mocked, pitied ,throughout the world, even the prees conference getting mocked ,laughed at jennrick,nurse paddy getting absolutely peltered even by our own right wing press.lying,disinformation,self praise |
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too much narrow thinking, pure obsession with corona virus 'related' deaths only. The total figure is never challenged or dissected properly, what is the real number, where is the proper breakdowns, why is it reported as related deaths? Either someone has died from the virus or they haven't, either the virus was likely to have been the main cause or not, how many have died had serious health issues already, how many didn't, the total death numbers are based on everyone who has died whilst having tested positive for it, that means nothing, you need real numbers. Also need an investigation into the number of DNR forms handed out to the elderly, according to ageuk many were pressurised into signing them, that could also inflate numbers.
All that aside, many people are suffering badly from isolation, why is that not been taking into account, economic, mental, emotional...that will all lead to increased rates of suicide, alcohol and drug consumption, mental heath admission, dying of loneliness especially for the elderly, domestic abuse etc. |
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suicide,alcohol,drugs,mental health,etc etc to quote the knucklegragger,s about 20,00 hospital deaths ago,they,ll have died sometime anyway
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https://twitter.com/docrussjackson/status/1258391597089263618/photo/1
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probably over 500 deaths again today in all settings maybe 600,cummings rewriting another grapgh for nurse paddy to show Italy pulling away again,amazing what the tory,s can do with a grtaph
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angoose you seriously suggesting the govt should have locked down way before the likes of Italy and spain when there were no deaths and a handful of cases ?
politically just not possible. the media would have gone bananas |
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Mafeking,plenty of pictures in the media showing tubes packed like sardines,supermarkets rammed.planes flying in,Care homes allowing visitors on the 21st of March, is that what you are ok with?
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no british government ever of any colour would have shut down the economy more than a handful of days earlier than march 23
you can argue about the likes of Cheltenham. personally didn't make sense to me that Ireland called off the rugby cos of a handful of Italian rugby fans (who probably mostly travelled over anyway) yet they were prepared to let 1000s of Irishmen make the annual pilgrimage to the festival |
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There must have been more deaths biot accounted for before March if this virus was here to any extent in January.
We were told we had 'exceptional testing capability and expertise' and we were 'fully geared up for a pandemic' Again with an apolitical hat on (this would have been exactly the same with a labour govt IMO) that's absolute horsesh1t! |
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^ not accounted for
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"no british government ever of any colour would have shut down the economy more than a handful of days earlier than march 23"
A handful of days would've made a big difference. Rory Stewart was urging lockdown on the 11th March and on Sadiq Khan to take action in London. Should also be noted we've had a less severe lockdown than Italy, Spain and France. |
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We havn't had a lockdown,it's been a joke..
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Personally, I don't think, had we entered lockdown on the 11th of Match instead of the 23rd, the governement would be facing the criticism from home and abroad, that it is now.
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And imo we'd be looking at half the death figures or less, and already be making plans for the resumption of football and racing. But heyho we were too fecking slow.
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Starmer correctly, and gently, made the point that the government has been too slow to act on everything to do with covid. I honestly can't think of one thing the government did on time that was correct; if you start even as late as Cheltenham and Anfield, procuring PPE, ventilators, lockdown, building new hospitals, care homes, public transport, arrivals by planes. Is there anything they got correct?
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A 2 week earlier lockdown would not have stopped us reaching Italy's numbers. Maybe we wouldn't have got there yet, but we would eventually. Lockdown just spreads the cases over time.
Belgium locked down a week before we did and had no problem getting to Italy levels. The '2 weeks behind Italy' mantra, the idea that, locking down on the same day as Italy when we had a small outbreak and they had a big one, would have kept us far behind them, is destroyed by looking at cases within the UK. Plenty of areas with big outbreaks on March 23rd (London boroughs). Plenty of towns elsewhere with comparable populations and almost zero cases. They were '2 weeks behind London' (maybe 3), so surely they 'locked down in time' and would never reach London levels ??? Well, they are not 2 weeks behind London anymore to say the least |
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no point in argueing about us and italy.2 wrongs never made a right.
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tobermory • May 7, 2020 6:41 PM BST
A 2 week earlier lockdown would not have stopped us reaching Italy's numbers. Maybe we wouldn't have got there yet, but we would eventually. Lockdown just spreads the cases over time. Not sure if that's a piss take or not. Assuming it's not. How on earth do you come to the conclusion that lockdown just spreads the cases over time? |
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Because that is what is actually happening here.
Compare UK areas with a lot of cases on March 23rd (lockdown day) with areas that had almost zero. By early April bad areas quickly get up to 200, 300 etc while the less affected places struggle to make it 20 or 30. But by mid May they will have the same numbers of cases. |
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Could you post a graph or a link to a graph or some stats so I can see what you're saying.
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Charlie, I haven't got anything to hand right now to demonstrate this accurately (with correct case numbers per date etc) but I will come with something later tonight.
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Dont think you were slow to react
Cheltenham is worth ten billion to your economy So you couldnt cancel then Then you have the biggest concern Vast majority of brits are too far up their own r s holes Tolerance, (tree huggers, immigration,p c, wishy washy liberals) far more important than a world pandemic. Hopefully they will get a massive kick up the backside from this The country has been going downhill for years Hopefully they will draw lessons Stop dwelling on suffering and poor me jeremy kyle fodder ... And get on with the job of making Britain great again. |
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"How on earth do you come to the conclusion that lockdown just spreads the cases over time?"
2 months of every expert on the planet explaining what flatening the curve means and Charlie still doesn't get it. Anyway, it's nice to know the Guardian is still constantly getting its "politically unbiased" articles posted on this forum all day, unattributed. It's not behind a paywall so it's almost like the person doing this thinks people won't click on the left wing sh1t if they just saw the link. |
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Gives politically unbiased and perfectly balanced individuals, such as yourself, something to rant about.
All part of the service, no need to thank me. |
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Dont think it makes a difference politically, left right, guardian or express.
The country aint the same as it was. Being on its own out of the e u , getting mullered by covid could be just the tonic you need. Putting captain tom and vera lynn in the limelight might just turn the tide. If you aint going to work now, feck off, reduce all social welfare , the country is on its knees .... And half of the middle east are still trying to get in Time to look after what you have. Who is going to bale you lot out now ? Not the e u , not trump.... |
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Just Checking • May 7, 2020 7:47 PM BST
"How on earth do you come to the conclusion that lockdown just spreads the cases over time?" 2 months of every expert on the planet explaining what flatening the curve means and Charlie still doesn't get it. Flattening the curve means getting the R rate below one so that the rate of infection decreases not increases. Currently the only way to do that is by lockdown. So please explain what all these experts on the planet are saying that I don't understand. |
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The R rate can also be brought down by the virus running out of people to infect.
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That's what I said Toby - get the rate below one and you've almost cracked it.
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