Todays Staats

I wonder which house, or houses, he has been living in this week

Were all in this together

Haircut?

6,111 new cases, 649 additional deaths

Daily average of 4,975 new cases in May, was 4,651 in the last ten days of April.

'regional' new soundbite 'opening'

hancock ;looks a bigger mug by the day

Motor vehicles on the rise

Move on from another missed testing target

Hospital data definitely moving in the right direction

testing is pointless if its not timely, the window is really

only 3 days.

Korea turned them around in less than 48hrs.

if you dont have throughput testing it useless as those people are out there spreadin and you then have a much greater tracing issue.

'its not over yet yvonne'

Professor Yvonne Doyle CB (born September 1957) is an Irish medical director and director of health protection for Public Health England. She was appointed a Companion of the Order of the Bath in 2016 for services to public health.

She was previously regional director, London for PHE since 2013 and became Medical Director and Director of Health Protection for PHE in May 2019.

Between 2013 to 2019 she provided leadership for health and reduction of inequalities at city-wide level to the population of London and was Statutory Adviser to the Mayor of London.

good nights work from cummings another 650 deaths and manages to design a graph showing us doing better than 3 countries since last nights graph

It's a testing time …..

30th april been renamed hancocks day

Someone please ask what the turn around time is, this is the all important question.

To be fair to Jenrick, he appears to be on top of his brief, was able to rattle off figures and council names.

Testing is meaningless after the virus has been here five months . More misdirected money .

The entire medical world begs to differ.

6 cars outside waiting to follow jennrick to one of his 4 homes,full tanks I hope

evidence ?

this regional lark is subterfuge and more sidetracking, also will lead to a lack of responsibility and a blame game

that was to Angoose

long drive to =Herefordshire  and back up again in morning

It’s pointless pecker. Jenrick is doing very well. Impossible job fielding these questions.

Eyeball, i still think testing is crucial, but i agree if your implying they wont be able to track and trace effectively thus rendering it pointless then

eyeball, you appear to be unwilling to accept evidence, you have decided that testing is not required despite highly qualified medical and scientific subject matter experts telling you day after day on tv, radio, newspapers, and social media that it is

If they can't convince you, I'm not going to do so on an anoymous internt forum

Rolls Royce ventilators for the 2nd wave............

Rolls Royce trained track and trace personnel

mascots for football teams,

Only ever been to Derby the once, went there to interview some graduate engineers from Rolls Royce.
Stayed in a hotel near the railway station, found a snooker hall in the nearby city centre, quite liked the place.

Herd immunity btw offers no panacea as too many unknowns re virus

Im really not sure at all what the strategy is...

If even they have one and in what timescale...

It's all so mish mash imo

baseball ground one of the great away days

I'll be happy to peruse the evidence , Angoose . Just show me where these "experts" say that testing for the virus is useful after the pandemic has been in a country for five months . You read too many newspapers and fail to realise what the data really means . if you ever read or understand it ?

went there once, Archie Gemmill ran the game

There is no lack of evidence for you to read, and if you'd listened to Yvonne you would have heard another voice calling for continued testing.

Archie's goal against Holland

yeah, fab goal from the fella, looked like Cruyff

Yvonne my @rse.....wouldn't trust her to make a decent cup of tea.....

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This shows that the no of Covid tests being carried out in this part of London (and others looking at reporting) have been scaled back because of demand for reagents. So cutting back on tests just after it was increased to hit target?

lucky you everytime I went cloughie and taylor ran the game,

lucky you everytime I went cloughie and taylor ran the game,

May 6, 2020 -- 5:52PM, eyeball wrote:

Yvonne my @rse.....wouldn't trust her to make a decent cup of tea.....

Tell us more about you that it does about Yvonne.

no, she'll make a grand cuppa im sure

May 6, 2020 -- 5:48PM, eyeball wrote:

I'll be happy to peruse the evidence , Angoose . Just show me where these "experts" say that testing for the virus is useful after the pandemic has been in a country for five months . You read too many newspapers and fail to realise what the data really means . if you ever read or understand it ?

Always willing to learn from a subject matter expert such as yourself though, please explain the data to me and the forum.

No Ferguson question. Classic.

7 journo,s must be embarrassed by their 14 questions as compared to joe pubLIc,s EDWARD

they knew reagent was an issue, what have they been doing for months..

this is going downhill rapidly

today's press conference is a decoy and a sign of the skullduggery tactics coming down the track

I think this is a scandalous spoof carry on

Angoose , don't keep cutting  and pasting nonsense . If you find relative data that proves your argument , then I am fine with that . But the fact that you continually believe what you hear because you think someone has an OBE or are in a position of power or is an expert , just doesn't mean anything to me . I could talk to you about cytokine storm , ace-2 receptors or testing models but it is pointless .

The forum is open for you to provide your explanation as to why testing is not required.
Feel free, educate us.

Spain figures looking a little ominous again,opened up and now over 3,000 cases again today and 244 deaths next few weeks will be keeping an eye on them..

May 6, 2020 -- 6:02PM, eyeball wrote:

Angoose , don't keep cutting  and pasting nonsense . If you find relative data that proves your argument , then I am fine with that . But the fact that you continually believe what you hear because you think someone has an OBE or are in a position of power or is an expert , just doesn't mean anything to me . I could talk to you about cytokine storm , ace-2 receptors or testing models but it is pointless .

And perhaps you could take up the recently created vacancy on SAGE, your country needs you.

It's amazing how the mathematical minds of gamblers understand the true meaning of statistics and charts better than any numpty turning up to present them at a daily government briefing.
At least we know how bad it's likely to get, the rest of the public being dumbed down with transport use charts and such are in for a bit of a shock soon me thinks.

Ok Angoose. I will educate you

Testing , track and trace is the correct way to go when a virus enters the country . You find the people who are infected , isolate them and stop them from infecting others . I would suggest that at least 15-20 % of the population have already been infected . Random testing in New York state , a population of c. 20 million have shown similar levels .
South Korea and Taiwan introduced this immediately and it shows in their figures . There was little chance of infection as the carriers were isolated , curtailing the spread .
We did not shut down early , did not track and trace and allowed the virus to spread . Now , anywhere between four and six months later , our government decide to put it in place . If 15 million people or more have been or are infected and we are looking to stop lock down then there will be more infections .
Let's say you have been in contact with someone and you are told to isolate . There will be people all over the country stopping work and isolating as well as those in the same household . It will be madness .

So what will it achieve ? It will show people who have or might have had the virus . It will not save the target groups from DYING .

What do you think it will achieve and what will they do with the data to save lives ?

that is the difficulty and shows the Government are still behind the nine ball with no clear strategy

they dont have the people to track and trace, they cant test throughput quick enough

they are trialing an app which wont work and appear totally clueless

the formula i believe for testing to work is 100 times daily, the daily death rate..

but the window is only 3 days according to the experts, catch it, 2 days later you are a spreader,3 days to keep a lid on track and trace, if you aint testing throughput in 48 hrs you are moving backwards i am led to believe

Testing is not 100% accurate in any case, people have been told negative only to be positive a day later.
NHS staff / patients still not being tested unless showing main symptoms so potentially all could be asymptomatic carriers in a hospital / care home environment or anywhere else for that matter - the horse has well and truly bolted and we're like the racecourse people running about flapping our arms to stop it.

yep

Another 2 week lockdown in Spain crazy,until you get the numbers down to double digitss it's futile,needless deaths thousands..

Come on then eyeball, tell us what testing, if any, you believe should be taking place at present in the UK.

Angoose , would you like to answer my questions first ?

Interesting thread, good viewpoints on it so far.

France another 3700 cases today,seems to be a surge starting already..

May 6, 2020 -- 8:51PM, eyeball wrote:

Angoose , would you like to answer my questions first ?

Can you please clarify your question, you've asked "what do you think it will achieve and what will they do with the data to save lives".
Not being funny, but please clarify the "it", we're on an internet forum where posts are easily misinterpreted.

Sure , it = testing , track and trace

Bugger, typed out a response then lost my internet connection. Will retype.

Ok, your earlier post gave a reasonable description of TTI, so no need for me to repeat it.

However, what I think this exchange has revealed is that we have been squabbling over misinterpreted understanding of each others posts.
This is what can happen on an internet forum.

So, would I be correct to state that you have been raising an objection to a TTI strategy being deployed in the UK at this present moment in time ?

You still haven't answered my question ?

If you want me to provide a description of the general principles of a TTI strategy, I will, but as I have described, I suspect that is not what we have been at odds over.

I'm not pressing you in particular . I just can't grasp why TTI strategy is effective after 4-6 months of infection ?

The governments paper on Influenza Preparedness Pandemic Strategy 2011 table 1 declares that : Detection , diagnosis and reporting of early cases

through testing and contract testing was a key healthcare delivery at the initial stage .

I know the virus is not influenza but the government have tried to use the strategies that they have published during this pandemic . I am pretty

certain they have made grave errors both in timing and preparation .

You will find the document here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/responding-to-a-uk-flu-pandemic

Just download the pdf . Did they read it ?

I've already seen that document, though have not read it in anything like detail.

However, you have provided more evidence of the point that I was trying to make which is that you are questioning why a TTT strategy (don't know where I got the TTI from) would be rolled out at this stage of the UK epidemic. 

To suggest that the relevant people in the UK medical and scientific community are not intimately familiar with the contents of this document is somewhat odd, though I suspect that you are being somewhat sarcastic.

It appears that we are in agreement that the best course of action has not been followed to date.

For clarity, when I was stating that testing is important earlier, let me briefly describe some examples of what I was referring to.

Today, there were a reported 6,111 new cases in the UK.
We only know that because the individuals displayed symptoms, presented for testing and received a positive result.

I would deem those tests to be very important to the individuals concerned, as well as their close family and others they have been in recent close contact with.

Do you agree with me on that narrow point ?

I don't know

I suspect that those who received the results probably think that it was very important to have been tested.
Anyway, knocking it on the head for the night, go and watch some tele.

Good to knock some thoughts back and forth, done without resorting to insults.

get a life lads please

they were going to play tennis but,oh well.

That's Friday afternoon , Peckerdunne

have you not got a forum to go back to called weirdo

or oddball

Family members can mix  have bbqs and get pissed.... but they cant play tennis against each other  ...thats right sensible innit  comrades

Sorry , I have not , mr. chavster

TTT
handjob always an outlier ,uk TTT stands foe
TRACK and TRACE where the TESTS are