EVIDENCE BUILDS CORONAVIRUS CAME FROM A CHINESE LAB

If it was made in a lab this "virus" is long gone trust me

They don't survive outside the lab, it'll infect a few hundred people and that would be it

This thing is way beyond the normal folks imagination, in fact imagination is not what you want here

Trump is also convinced that injecting Dettol will cure you and that "It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.".

crackpots

It will disappear

That's not a joke, in fact its starting to disappear now the media seem unfussed by death figures now

It is clear in the video no one is suggested the virus was made in the lab.

It is interesting how the question:

Did the virus escape from lax protocols at a lab?

Is answered by:

The virus was not developed artificially in lab.

THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION BEING ASKED.

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But the second most important point in the video is the coverup that, had it not happened, would have prevented this outbreak.

Cases were known in November yet WHO were saying in Mid-Jan human to human transmission not happening. WHO also backed China in saying shutting down travel internationally form Wuhan not needed at the same time as China were locking down internally.

Serious questions need to be asked of China and WHO.

The Australians, Americans and some British MPs are asking these questions and calling for an international enquiry. The pathetic European leaders are keeping their mouths shut.

the only cover ups are

trumps bald patch

government interference in sage


tories failed simple test of 100,000 tests a day

Trump isn't bald, its a weave

You think it started in a market and that the Chinese Gov have been honest and open donny?

YHTL,

Are you 100% happy with the information coming out of China and the actions of CCP in regards to this virus?

I'll put a brew on.

He aint gonna have an opinion on China or WHO.

He probably has not even watched the linked Sky News Report.

Some people are so hateful they refuse to admit anyone apart from Boris and Trump can do bad things.

if it is the target if right wing whack job websites and slips out on here from
local tory lap dog then i have little to answer except its whack job stuff


david icke probably banging away on facebook under a false name along same lines


whatever its origin, its been worsened by two clowns either side of the atlantic with combined iq of
a small hamster and two large rabbits.

amazing that south africa was on same course as uk , with the virus, at same time
yet their government contained the virus despite having a population at far greater risk.

maybe the chinese gave them secret vaccine ???

whatever next whack job theory ???

I thought that it was 5G that was killing everyone, nothing to do with COVID-19

all the usa experts,cia,security etc,etc agreed last week the virus 99% certain came from the wet market, so before we e4ven start to think of anything else and believe trump we,ve got to believe all the people employed by trump last week were lying, not a good basis to start from is it

We'll have to wait for the Guardian to tell him his opinion on the cause and location, IT.

lol

why not just list the whack job sites you have been brain washed on today?

in 12 weeks not one tory mentioned ,put up an argument this was lab based ,now as not to upset trump no 10 says it needs investigating,

no 10 to Donald HOW HIGH, , ,
BREXITEERS worked out after wanting to give china bloody nose,their Brexit dream is relying on trump getting re elected

Just so long as you believe that there is a virus, it does not matter if it came from a lab in Wuhan or from bats just as long as you believe that a killer virus exists then the WHO, China, Boris, Trump and everyone else involved has done a splendid job.

Meanwhile Donald Teps still snorting shake, n, vac

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lol

why not just list the whack job sites you have been brain washed on today?


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Sky news is a wack job?

No one repeat no one is suggesting this was made in a lab.

It is interesting the CCP's useful idiots in the west say it was not made in a lab in answer to it could have escaped from a lab. Very different thing.. keeping something dangerous in a lab that is natural and it escaping to making a bio-weapon in a lab. This was not a man made bio-weapon.

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YHTY,

Topic of the thread is this SKY NEWS SPECIAL REPORT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1-dyM-YA4

Do you have any views on it?

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n e x t .....

SKY NEWS is a whack job conspiracy???

SPECIAL REPORT: Evidence builds coronavirus came from a Chinese lab

The report then proceeds to provide no such evidence, other than to tell us what we already knew regarding the existence of a lab in Wuhan.

Is China open and transparent regarding anything that goes on inside its borders ? No.
Should we then be surprised that it hasn't been open and transparent regarding COVID-19 ? Again, no.

When a news report relies upon a sinister soundtrack to deliver its message, you know that it lacking in substance.

its enough to trigger the loons

Interesting Angoose.

I, for one, was surprised by the fact it took six weeks for China to report it in.

And that in mid-Jan they were still saying no human to no human transition.

I certainly agree with Morrison and Trump that we need answers of WHO and China as to why was there a delay and where did not virus start from.

wtf was the WTO meant to do if it had no one in china and was denied entry to investigate?  Can't the multiple Americans who were working for the WTO at a high level answer the questions that trump has?

UK scientists have been highly critical of his comments, insisting there have not been any “deliberate activities” around the “misuse” of COVID-19 - and that they believe virus is not man-made.

Dr Jennifer Cole of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies, said:"Whenever there is a new disease outbreak, be it AIDS, Ebola, Zika or now SARS-Cov2, there are always conspiracy theories about deliberate bioengineering or laboratory escapes, and a jump to apportion 'blame' for the disease.

“There is often particularly a push to point the finger of blame at actors with whom the accuser has existing tensions: political rivals, for example.”

She continued: “The danger in his approach is that it very hard to prove a negative - if there is evidence that the virus was ever present in the Wuhan laboratory, which as far as we know is not the case, it would 'prove' Trump's claim.

“While there continues to be no such evidence, Trump seems to be using this vacuum to fill the gap with the narrative that best suits his political position - that China is somehow responsible for the disease and the deaths it is causing, and is covering up its culpability.

“This is a dangerous political precedent that does nothing to support the international cooperation that is needed at this time to deal with the pandemic as best we can."

Dr Joshua Moon, research fellow in sustainability research methods in the Science Policy Research Unit at the University of Sussex Business School, said mistrust between nations would hamper the global effort to beat COVID-19.

“If countries are unable to trust one another to contain the spread of the disease, then we will see hoarding of PPE, “races” for vaccines, and competition between countries for resources that will harm the most vulnerable populations,” he said

Prof Brendan Wren, Professor of Medical Microbiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, added: “Having been to Wuhan a number of times... I don’t believe that there have been any deliberate or nefarious activities with the SARS-Cov-2 virus. It is generally accepted that the virus has mutated naturally. Pandemics happen naturally and it is unnecessary to invoke a conspiracy theory.”

I haven't seen anyone declare it was man made, angoose. They are saying it leaked from a lab which contains and investigates bat viruses.

Angoose,

Did Trump say the virus was man made? I must have missed that.

there is actually some evidence/debate that the wuhan strain of the virus wasn't the original strain

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/11/coronavirus-many-strains-covid-19-discovered-far-12542619/

Type A is the one closest to the virus at the root of the pandemic, and closest to the type found in bats and pangolins. 

Research suggests this strain has two sub-clusters, one in Wuhan and one in America and Australia.
....
Type B is a variation of the virus most common in Wuhan – it’s thought to have derived from Type A by two mutations.

Jumping to conclusions again boys, that's what unbalanced minds do
Where have I stated that Trump has declared that it was man made ?

Re-read the article I have posted and find the general point that is being made.

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UK scientists have been highly critical of his comments, insisting there have not been any “deliberate activities” around the “misuse” of COVID-19 - and that they believe virus is not man-made.


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Who is 'his comments'?

I assume Trump.

And in your first statement you throw in 'that they believe virus is not man-made.'

WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT MAN MADE SO LETS PARK THAT.

No one, just no one is saying that.

And the press, you and these experts keep stating it to confuse the lab story.

You conveniently exclude the word "and" from the line that you quote.

Since you appear not to have grasped the general pints form the article, I'll repeat them for you.

Dr Jennifer Cole of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies, said:"Whenever there is a new disease outbreak, be it AIDS, Ebola, Zika or now SARS-Cov2, there are always conspiracy theories about deliberate bioengineering or laboratory escapes, and a jump to apportion 'blame' for the disease.

“There is often particularly a push to point the finger of blame at actors with whom the accuser has existing tensions: political rivals, for example.”

Dr Joshua Moon, research fellow in sustainability research methods in the Science Policy Research Unit at the University of Sussex Business School, said mistrust between nations would hamper the global effort to beat COVID-19.

“If countries are unable to trust one another to contain the spread of the disease, then we will see hoarding of PPE, “races” for vaccines, and competition between countries for resources that will harm the most vulnerable populations,” he said

Is that clear enough for you, or should I break it down further for you to digest ?

Angoose are you saying China was upfront about the outbreak from the word go? The stories about people like Li Wenliang and China knowing it transmits between humans before mid Jan are made up as well?

How unusual is it for certain labs to contain specimens of deadly diseases? Very? Fairly? Pretty usual?

My guess is there must be several labs in this country that have various pathogens stored for scientists to study, understand more and try to develop treatments and cures.



So are we saying it's perfectly normal that China has the same and it was a mistake of some kind or are we jumping straight to it being a conspiracy to release it from the very top of their government?

If it was just Trump and no one else you might have a case.

But why would someone like Scott Morrison have the same view? Surely Australia would want China as friend given how much they export to them?

pp,

The 'story' is it could have leaked accidentally from a research lab from a lady that worked there through getting bitten or waste products.

No one is saying it is man made.

No one is saying it was deliberately let out.

The suggestion is it was an accident that was then covered up.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/30/us-intelligence-says-covid-19-not-man-made-might-have-escaped-wuhan-virus-lab-12635644/

US intelligence officials say coronavirus is not man made – but may have escaped Wuhan virus lab

US intelligence services have announced that Covid-19 is not man-made, but says officials continue to investigate whether the new coronavirus escaped from a laboratory. In a statement released Thursday, the US Office for the Director of National Intelligence confirmed Covid-19 originated in China, and added: ‘The intelligence community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified.’ The statement said that intelligence chiefs continue to work to try and establish whether the Covid-19 outbreak ‘began through contact with infected animals, or if it was the result of an accident in a laboratory in Wuhan.’ Earlier this month, President Trump refused to deny claims put to him that US intelligence officials believe Covid-19 may have begun spreading after an accident at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

That claim centered around an unnamed female intern at the lab – which has received $3.7million of United States government funding – accidentally contaminating herself with the new coronavirus. She is then believed to have traveled to a nearby ‘wet market’, where live animals are slaughtered for food, to meet her boyfriend for a meal. That theory suggests that the virus began to spread from there, with 3.2million confirmed infections and more than 228,000 deaths across the world so far. In 2018, a US intelligence official who visited the Wuhan Institute of Virology sent a cable back to Washington DC warning of potentially dangerous coronavirus experiments being performed on bats – the animal coronavirus is believed to have originated it. It also poor safety procedures in place at the facility, although the US government is not believed to have followed up on that warning. Another theory has speculated whether coronavirus originated at the wet market itself, and jumped from its animal host to a human because of poor hygiene conditions there. The Chinese government has denied claims coronavirus leaked from a lab, although its officials are widely-believed to have lied about the number of people infected and killed by the virus there.

Well, fwiw I've heard plenty of both the man made and deliberate rumours

Every mention of a lab seems to come with some kind of sinister Bond Villain undertone frankly.

Good to see you're rising above it.

I get the impression that China is not popular in Oz IT, so was guarded when watching the video. It is more or less the same as an American one posted 2 or three weeks ago.
Porp, hygiene and safety at this lab was known to be lax in the US a couple of years ago. Also there is anecdotal evidence that deceased bats were sold-literally- out of the back door by staff. There is no evidence that live or dead bats were ever sold at that particular market, actually lots of statements to say they were not.

Well, in that case the owners of the lab better get themselves some lawyers.

The Chinese Gov own it one way or another. Untouchable unless forced to negotiate.

i dont understand this thread, one way or another it is the fault of the chinese but there is zero chance of getting money off them in recompense.

the only hope is that supply chains are shortened but sadly i heard of a survey of u s corporations and for them it was just carry on as ever once this is over.

we really need to bring production closer to home but, sadly, in all likelihood we will all be talking sh1t and arguing over nothing on chinese made computers next year and the year after.

May 1, 2020 -- 10:37PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Angoose are you saying China was upfront about the outbreak from the word go? The stories about people like Li Wenliang and China knowing it transmits between humans before mid Jan are made up as well?

Read what I have written.

saddo, whilst the virus almost certainly originated in bats, it almost certainly was passed to another animal and likely transmitted to humans from that other animal. Pangolins have been put forward as a likely candidate.

50/50 lab leak or else naturally from a bat via an intermediate animal host for me. Nobody s suggesting it came directly from a bat.
What is known is they were studying bat coronaviruses at that lab. They stopped flights into Wuhan but not out after the outbreak.
I also suspect they delayed releasing evidence of human to human transmission (20 Jan) until after the trade deal with the US was signed (15 Jan).
Trump will get money out of them via increased tariffs and may pressure US companies to move manufacturing/assembly elsewhere and hit them that way. I'm surprised he hasn't played on the lab leak and trade deal non-disclosure issue more but I'm sure he will ramp this up and use it in his election campaign. One thing is for sure I'd much prefer Trump takes them to task than any Democrat. But China mines 80% of the rare earth minerals used in all sorts of electronic and military devices and that is a big ace they hold. They can be produced elsewhere but not for a decade in practical terms. Without them it is like going back to the 80s in terms of technology.

;'/ _/.  ¬/, v`/: ).,

4 mins too late /;":

My limited understanding is there is/Was two labs, one nearer the market that was a bat lab, the idea there was wild bat's or bat's sold in market appears incorrect. There was no animal found at market or traces of covid found and they were looking and looking for an intermediate host, none were found. The level 4 lab was flagged for going to fast from its inception to carrying out live virus experiments on primates. Its entirely possible some cleaner /low grade personnel got infected unintentionally and transmitted disease.Bitten scratched or simply entered or touched something in a part of the lab that required hazmat suit or someone not trained or in hazmat PPE fvkd up.   I think the WHO, the French and various others were involved at the lab, it's complicated imo but people  know what's occurred.             The horseshoe bat appears  responsible for the source but it's not a local species, think I seen the nearest is over 100km from wuhan. If cross species occurred just as a coincidence in market  its like dropping a  grain of sand in one town and wind  blowing it 100km and same grain  landing in your own house imo. A tad unlikely.           Would like to hear an eminent trusted professor come out and confirm the genetic sequence of sars-cov-2 came from horseshoe bat's. And that the genetic sequence of this outbrake has been carried out independently and it cam from X place, a ground zero.
Would like the Chinese lev4 labs work audited, and confirmation whether there is another lab close to market and what it was doing. Was it carrying out bat virus experiments?

We'll probably never find out Angoose. Not regarded as trustworthy by many, I would think.

You like a good read

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-study-the-human-version-of-sars-cov-2-is-closer-to-the-one-in-bats-than-the-one-in-pangolins/

That Charles Lieber case is bizarre as well.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-
professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-
separate-china-related

May 1, 2020 -- 11:17PM, breadnbutter wrote:

My limited understanding is there is/Was two labs, one nearer the market that was a bat lab, the idea there was wild bat's or bat's sold in market appears incorrect. There was no animal found at market or traces of covid found and they were looking and looking for an intermediate host, none were found. The level 4 lab was flagged for going to fast from its inception to carrying out live virus experiments on primates. Its entirely possible some cleaner /low grade personnel got infected unintentionally and transmitted disease.Bitten scratched or simply entered or touched something in a part of the lab that required hazmat suit or someone not trained or in hazmat PPE fvkd up.   I think the WHO, the French and various others were involved at the lab, it's complicated imo but people  know what's occurred.             The horseshoe bat appears  responsible for the source but it's not a local species, think I seen the nearest is over 100km from wuhan. If cross species occurred just as a coincidence in market  its like dropping a  grain of sand in one town and wind  blowing it 100km and same grain  landing in your own house imo. A tad unlikely.           Would like to hear an eminent trusted professor come out and confirm the genetic sequence of sars-cov-2 came from horseshoe bat's. And that the genetic sequence of this outbrake has been carried out independently and it cam from X place, a ground zero.Would like the Chinese lev4 labs work audited, and confirmation whether there is another lab close to market and what it was doing. Was it carrying out bat virus experiments?

Go and watch the lecture given by Chris Witty just yesterday, he believes it originated from a horseshoe bat.

'Bats are sold in markets and supplied directly to restaurants throughout China and southeast Asia, but no direct evidence of their sale in Wuhan’s wet market has come to light. Also, horseshoe bats, which are much smaller than the tastier fruit bats, are generally not among the species eaten.'

Actually laughed when I read 'tastier fruit bats'

Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it didn't come from a bat or was engineered from scratch in a lab. But if they were studying these diseases, taken from bats, in the lab, which they apparently were, it could have leaked from the lab.

I ate bats when I was in China. They serve them in loads of restaurants, even the pricier ones. Been eating them for thousands of years.

sale of dog and cat meat for human consumption was banned from 1/5 in shenzhen

This thread started with a link to a news article claiming to have new evidence of the Wuhan lab being responsible for the COVID crisis, yet it produces none.

Trump will have been briefed on the possibility that the lab was responsible, but has he seen conclusive evidence?
Or will it be another chloroquine type story, he takes information about a possible treatment for COVID and expands it way above what he was told?

Likely to be f all evidence/proof, the Chinese will not let it happen.
Trump can rely on the fact that they let flights out while banning flights in and have sent spies over on 'student' visas to steal biological samples.
China is a belligerent state, even now and if they are not willing to let inspectors in, even moreso. He can sell that to the public like it's a war.
They can always come out with the statement that US intelligence is 'confident' (ie no proof) that it came from a lab but he has enough without that.

All these dingbats making excuses for the Chinese, worsest trumpets on ere

May 1, 2020 -- 11:17PM, breadnbutter wrote:

My limited understanding is there is/Was two labs, one nearer the market that was a bat lab, the idea there was wild bat's or bat's sold in market appears incorrect. There was no animal found at market or traces of covid found and they were looking and looking for an intermediate host, none were found. The level 4 lab was flagged for going to fast from its inception to carrying out live virus experiments on primates. Its entirely possible some cleaner /low grade personnel got infected unintentionally and transmitted disease.Bitten scratched or simply entered or touched something in a part of the lab that required hazmat suit or someone not trained or in hazmat PPE fvkd up.   I think the WHO, the French and various others were involved at the lab, it's complicated imo but people  know what's occurred.             The horseshoe bat appears  responsible for the source but it's not a local species, think I seen the nearest is over 100km from wuhan. If cross species occurred just as a coincidence in market  its like dropping a  grain of sand in one town and wind  blowing it 100km and same grain  landing in your own house imo. A tad unlikely.           Would like to hear an eminent trusted professor come out and confirm the genetic sequence of sars-cov-2 came from horseshoe bat's. And that the genetic sequence of this outbrake has been carried out independently and it cam from X place, a ground zero.Would like the Chinese lev4 labs work audited, and confirmation whether there is another lab close to market and what it was doing. Was it carrying out bat virus experiments?

From what i read there is a lab at Wuhan Uni, which is supposed to be primarily an engineering uni, but there is also a specialist infectious disease level 4 lab in Wuhan set up to study coronaviruses, built after SARS broke out in 2003. From what I read about he Lieber case it seemed that they were two completely separate facilities

lurka 01 May 20 23:36 
`...Trump can rely on the fact that they let flights out while banning flights in...`

It`s worse than that; in full knowledge of what was happening, they stopped all internal flights, so not such a spread within china, but dispatched as many as possible international flights, positively encouraging the  worldwide spread and subsequent meltdown. All just a part of mao`s `100-Year Plan` for global domination

French Prime Minister Visits Wuhan P4 Laboratory
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On Feb. 23, French Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve visited Wuhan National Biosafety Level 4 (P4) Laboratory in Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), which was his first stop in Wuhan. More than 100 people from different administrative entities including CAS, China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS), Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China and French National Institute of Health and Medical Research (INSERM) that have participated in the entire program on Sino-French Cooperation on Emerging Infectious Diseases and provided tremendous help in the past decade attended the activity.

Mr. Bernard Cazeneuve attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony and paid a visit to laboratory interior. In his speech, Mr. Cazeneuve declared France is proud of building jointly with China the first national P4 Laboratory. And he added that, as epidemic knows no borders, a united world society is a must to win over the challenge like Ebola to public health in recent years. Wuhan P4 Laboratory will be our front line of emerging infectious diseases prevention and control. France will join hands with China to firmly dedicate to operating top-notch scientific research to response to the diseases. He thanked Chinese government and all the contributors’ extraordinary contributions, and wished more in-depth scientific cooperation on emerging infectious diseases around P4 laboratories will be developed by our two nations.

Mr. Yaping Zhang, Vice President of CAS pointed out, that the laboratory will help China to strengthen the capability of preventing and controlling outbreaks of emerging infectious diseases and aid scientific research and development of antiviral drugs and vaccines. He hoped that the laboratory will play an active role in the Sino-French cooperation on prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases, so as to benefit not only our two peoples but also the entire world.

According to Mr. Zhiming Yuan, Director of Wuhan P4 Laboratory, China is positively undertaking the responsibility and obligation to ensure global public health security. He emphasized that transparency is the cornerstone of the laboratory, and an open culture is of vital importance to guarantee the security of Wuhan P4 Laboratory.

After the visit, Mr. Yves LECY, Director of INSERM, Mr. Hervé RAOUL, Director of Jean Mérieux-Inserm Biosafety Level-4 Laboratory in Lyon, Mr. Dianwen Cao, Vice President of Bureau of International Cooperation, CAS, and stakeholders from CNAS, Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and WIV attended the Meeting on Sino-French Scientific Cooperation around Biosafety Level 4 Laboratories. The meeting was aimed at upgrading the bilateral strategic and cooperative partnership and further expanding the dimension and depth of cooperation between laboratories in Wuhan and Lyon.

Wuhan P4 Laboratory, as one of the mega scientific cooperation programs under the Sino-French Cooperation Framework Agreement, was designed by French and Chinese design units, and was installed and built by Chinese part. The Laboratory has been issued the certificate by CNAS in January and will be fully operational soon. As an essential platform for research and development against high contagious and infectious diseases, it will inevitably provide critical and technical supports for scientists from the world to fight against life-threatening infectious diseases.

The Wuhan labs
Two laboratories in Wuhan studying bat coronaviruses have come under the spotlight. The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is a biosecurity level 4 facility – the highest for biocontainment – and the level 2 Wuhan Centre for Disease Control, which is located not far from the fish market, had collected bat coronavirus specimens.

Several theories have been promoted. The first, and wildest, is that scientists at WIV were engaged in experiments with bat coronavirus, involving so-called gene splicing, and the virus then escaped and infected humans. A second version is that sloppy biosecurity among lab staff and in procedures, perhaps in the collection or disposal of animal specimens, released a wild virus.

What about an accidental escape of a wild sample because of poor lab safety practices?
The accidental release of a wild sample has been the focus of most attention, although the “evidence” offered is at best highly circumstantial.

The Washington Post has reported concerns in 2018 over security and management weakness from US embassy officials who visited the WIV several times, although the paper also conceded there was no conclusive proof the lab was the source of the outbreak.

Le Duc, however, paints a different picture of the WIV. “I have visited and toured the new BSL4 laboratory in Wuhan, prior to it starting operations in 2017- … It is of comparable quality and safety measures as any currently in operation in the US or Europe.”

He also described encounters with Shi Zhengli, the Chinese virologist at the WIV who has led research into bat coronaviruses, and discovered the link between bats and the Sars virus that caused disease worldwide in 2003, describing her as “fully engaged, very open and transparent about her work, and eager to collaborate”.

Maureen Miller, an epidemiologist who worked with Shi as part of a US-funded viral research programme, echoed Le Duc’s assessment. She said she believed the lab escape theory was an “absolute conspiracy theory” and referred to Shi as “brilliant”.

Problems with the timeline and map of the spread of the virus
When Peter Forster, a geneticist at Cambridge, compared sequences of the virus genome collected early in the Chines outbreak – and later globally – he identified three dominant strains.

Early in the outbreak, two strains appear to have been in circulation at roughly at the same time – strain A and strain B – with a C variant later developing from strain B.

But in a surprise finding, the version with the closest genetic similarity to bat coronavirus was not the one most prevalent early on in the central Chinese city of Wuhan but instead associated with a scattering of early cases in the southern Guangdong province.

Between 24 December 2019 and 17 January 2020, Forster explains, just three out of 23 cases in Wuhan were type A, while the rest were type B. In patients in Guangdong province, however, five out of nine were found to have type A of the virus.

“The very small numbers notwithstanding,” said Forster, “the early genome frequencies until 17 January do not favour Wuhan as an origin over other parts of China, for example five of nine Guangdong/Shenzhen patients who had A types.”

In other words, it still remains far from certain that Wuhan was even necessarily where the virus first emerged.

^ Better to put up link : (B&B's text )
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http://english.whiov.cas.cn/ne/201802/t20180208_189991.html

^ Angoose's text :
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/could-covid-19-be-manmade-what-we-know-about-origins-trump-chinese-lab-coronavirus

It's easier to read on webpage

Morning !