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A testing target: why does the 100k target matter?
By UK National Testing Strategy Coordinator Professor John Newton
https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/30/a-testing-target-why-does-the-100k-target-matter/

As the Evening Standard commented yesterday “when the Health Secretary promised that 100,000 people a day would be tested for coronavirus by the end of this month, it looked an impossible goal.” I know too well how, at times, it has felt impossible.

By tomorrow night we will know if we have achieved that goal. To the surprise of many outside the programme we are already very close to that level of testing.
This is an extraordinary achievement and a tribute to the sheer hard work of some amazing people.

Our aim as we tackle this virus has been to make it easy, fast and simple for NHS workers, care staff and an expanding range of essential workers who need a test to get a test, in addition to patients. We have also prioritised the most vulnerable expanding testing to the over 65s and their families.

As we move to the next phase the requirement for testing will change and we can now respond quickly with the testing capability needed.

Our ultimate goal is that anyone who needs a test should have one.

The UK entered this crisis with a world-leading pharmaceutical industry, but our diagnostic capabilities did not match.

In the space of weeks, we have created a test for this virus, more than doubled the capacity of NHS and Public Health England labs, built a network of 50 regional testing centres, we are building 70 mobile testing units by this weekend, and have created home testing kits. This is all backed-up by the creation of three ‘mega-labs’ that can analyse all the tests taken. This is the biggest expansion of diagnostic capacity in modern times.

There have been a few bumps along the road – who would have thought lockdown would have seen so many post boxes closed  - so in order to be able to offer a home test to everyone on a uniform basis we need to use couriers to get the used kits back to the labs so the samples stay live?

But what is the point?  Why do we need all this testing?  First a few myths to bust.

Back in March, the country moved into “lockdown” because the virus was circulating widely, not because we did not have enough tests.

Cases were popping up with no obvious connection to other cases.  The infection was entering the exponential growth phase. At this point access to limitless testing would have made no difference. The decision to enter lockdown would have been the same and would have been taken at the same time.

In the same way the route out of lockdown has not been blocked by lack of testing.  We can relax social distancing only when the Government’s five tests are met and that means getting the infection rate right down.  Testing will help to keep it under control once we are out, but lack of testing has not kept us in lockdown a day longer.

What about Germany? Yes, Germany had a lot of tests available from the get-go, but there was also a lot less virus around and it was in younger people.
Back to the here and now, where does all this leave us in the UK at the end of April?

The 100,000 a day target was set for two purposes.  It was intended to motivate the programme and set the scale of our ambition. It has certainly done that.  More importantly we knew from our calculations that we would need something like this level of testing to be ready for the next phase.

Looking to the future then, we now have a very substantial and flexible testing capability in the UK.

It will be used to drive extensive contact tracing to control any new infections, help us keep patients and staff safe in hospitals and care services, and to tell us with some precision how the virus has spread across the country. This means that we can identify who may have been in contact with someone infected, and prevent them from passing in on further, driving down transmission of the virus.

The introduction of the new NHS app for contact tracing is also in development. As we do this, we are working closely with some of the best digital and technological brains, and renowned experts in clinical safety and digital ethics, so that we can get all this right. The more people who sign up for the new app when it goes live, the better informed our response will be and the better we can therefore protect the NHS.

All this frees Ministers and their scientific advisers to choose whatever future strategies are best suited to keep the country safe.

Whatever the outcome tomorrow, I can assure you that the testing capacity we have built in the last few weeks is world-leading in its scale and sophistication, and gives us the flexibility we need to deal with rises and falls in demand. As the pandemic evolves, we will have the testing capacity to meet changing demand across the country. It is there to serve us all.

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Angoose
When: 30 Apr 20 19:29
What about Germany? Yes, Germany had a lot of tests available from the get-go, but there was also a lot less virus around and it was in younger people.

How do you know if there is "a lot less virus around" unless you are testing ?
By:
SPOT THE DOG
When: 30 Apr 20 19:30
R YOU MIGHT WELL ASK
By:
SPOT THE DOG
When: 30 Apr 20 19:30
R YOU MIGHT WELL ASK
By:
sofiakenny
When: 30 Apr 20 19:33
Prof geezer from Oxford on ch4 news says he reckons its been done..hope he's right..test test test.
By:
Des Pond
When: 30 Apr 20 19:48
The thing about tests for frontline NHS staff is that they are of limited value if you are having to go back to work the next day and the day after, A friend of mine working as a nurse says the "have you got the virus?" test will make little or no difference to her, as she would need a test every day.
By:
Des Pond
When: 30 Apr 20 19:50
I know that the tests are still important in the bigger picture, but getting tested once will not do a doctor or nurse much good as an individual.
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 19:52
There's a threshold where contact tracing ceases to be viable, not matter what the testing capacity is. It's not just the testing is it, it's the legwork and manpower involved in tracing, and of course undertaking the tests.
By:
Des Pond
When: 30 Apr 20 19:57
An antibody test which can ascertain whether an individual has a degree of immunity would be much more useful, if such a test is possible.
By:
GoBallistic
When: 30 Apr 20 19:58
When there was one known case in this country, that proved too much for "track and trace" and they quickly lost control

Now that are many thousands of known new cases every day spread across the nation ... well good luck with that
By:
sofiakenny
When: 30 Apr 20 19:59
Agree with that des but until such times...
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:01
the infamous super spreader, seems a long time ago now
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:03
the interesting number will be Fridays tests number,will the increase carry on 50,000 in last 2 days if it gets somewhere near tomorrow, so you,d think 125,000 for fri,or will capacity stay at around a 100,000 and tests drop to below a 100,000
on numbers given we actually tested more yesterday than we had capacity for
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:06
Are you preparing for Matt to hit the target after a month saying it couldn't be done?
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:08
I'm sure you will be humble in your praise if they make it. Or maybe not Laugh
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:12
no because it wont be 100,000 people ,100,000 tests will equate to about 75,000 individuals at best, I didn't say he wouldn't get there just queried how, and was actually proved right if it happens,50,000 in last 2 days
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:13
it's most definitely 100K tests
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:14
I didn't say he wouldn't get there

Crazy
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:16
think you,ll find most sane people assumed 100,000 people
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:18
listen to nhs trusts their people in carehome,s still arnt getting tested
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:24
as you alluded to 100K or not it's not fait accompli. The practicalities of testing care home residents must be immense.
By:
eyeball
When: 30 Apr 20 20:26
There is no point of testing after being in a partial lock down since March 23rd . I would be guessing if i knew when the virus entered the UK but

the earliest detected case in China was 17th November 2019 . It could easily have started before this date because the viral season in the Northern

hemisphere runs from October through to May . it is not beyond the realms of possibility that it has been with us since last year and wrongly

diagnosed as influenza . It could have been here for six months . The first confirmed case in Italy was 31st January . We must have had infection

here for at least three months probably four without testing or contact tracing .

We know the people who are at risk . These are the people who should have been looked after and protected . But it has not been done and the

government have taken a different route focusing on the entire population after dithering .

I would not be surprised if ten million or more , are or had been infected and had shown various levels of symptoms . the horse has already bolted .
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:30
There's been no excess deaths in the stats until April.
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:33
All you people counting the covid 19 positive deaths are conveniently forgetting that going into lockdown causes deaths as well. And once you're in it it's bl00dy difficult to get out of it.
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:35
ive the bloke from scarbrough on tv a few times who runs 3 care homes and cant get his people tested but has booked them in and waiting for details on how,i would imagine the army pop ups would do them ,maybe they've got up and running in last 48 hrs,
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:38
government reckon 30% of buisnesses closed,didnt have to close under governments plans/thinking and their hoping to start to nudge people back next week, public bought into their lock down to well
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:40
Easier to furlough people than take 30% of normal business.
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:44
heard a top end eaterie owner today saying he could create more space, move tables around but it reaches a point where the next table you have to move means the numbers don't work
By:
Cider
When: 30 Apr 20 20:50
There are workarounds but very tricky to maintain social distancing with any kind of visitor numbers.
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 20:55
just reading todays 81,00 tests were on 54,000 people,how do they do 30,000 wrong tests,does it mean they've basically broken,dropped 30,000 swab sticks,dont get it,if you've scraped it around and hasn't got enough material on swab ,why cant they just put it up again, seems a hell of a lot of wastage,or is it the quality,skills of those doing the testing
By:
irishone
When: 30 Apr 20 21:00
Eyeball .....spot on 100%
By:
irishone
When: 30 Apr 20 21:02
Apart from one thing
Which I believe only applies to Ireland
It was diagnosed as a chest infection
But at a nearby nursing home
As COPD
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 21:03
report today says there were at least 5 deaths due to covid prior to 1st established covid death
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Apr 20 21:07
so people like me and others on here who were discussing months ago a horrible dry cough, that people couldn't shake off in early jan, doing the rounds could have been a covid runner, although when someone asked dr Hillary about it weeks ago,he said no chance
By:
Kriskin
When: 30 Apr 20 21:13
The question needs answered - if NO vaccine then this Virus will still be about.  You cannot keep locking people up for months upon months.  This is going to cause more issues when they do eventually come out of their hibernation.

Over half of the Covid 19 deaths in Scotland are within care homes.  The more younger healthier Scots people currently hibernating need to be released from their homes to start mixing again.  Immunity will only be achieved through this.  The longer people are not mixing then we will be open to all sorts of virus's and diseases in the future
By:
irishone
When: 30 Apr 20 21:37
People who had it before news got out
Knew they had something very different to flu
It was not flu
.....although they wanted it to be
Because they knew they could handle flu
This was not flu ....
Even now people who have had it
Are not 100% right in the lungs
By:
Angoose
When: 30 Apr 20 22:14
I reckon that the majority of people who think they’ve had it, but we’re never tested, haven’t had it.
If they ever get a reliable antibody test, then maybe we’ll find out.

As for those in the front line, I’d imagine that gaining piece of mind at a point in time would be a very welcome development.
If you have been taking all appropriate precautions, then you’ll also be as sure as you can that you haven’t subsequently become infected.

You can then participate in a regular testing program to provide further periodic confirmations.

At some point, I’d imagine that some clever clogs will develop a simple prick test / saliva test that simplifies the testing process further.
By:
1st time poster
When: 01 May 20 10:35
54,000 people tested all supposedly essential workers all[ apart from care staff who cant get tests] ,supposedly  continually coughing,40 degree temp etc , all been closer to corona than joe public for 6 weeks ,yet only about 5,000 tested positive I think, must show people were basically just getting tested because they could
By:
1st time poster
When: 01 May 20 10:39
when track and trace comes in ,mobile app etc,if you test positive and work in a factory with 2,3,4,5,600 people does that mean those 600 have to self isolate for 14 days,factory close ,etc,obviously they wont,and obviously anyone who needs to work to pay bills, wont self isolate if their fit enough to go to work ,so whats the point
By:
1st time poster
When: 01 May 20 12:35
another dozen or so interviewed on sky/bbc this morning making about a 100 since tues and yet to produce a cough,sneeze,bead of sweat between them despite some of them spending 2/3 hrs in a car,anyone any idea what corona symptons these people are showing,maybe 2/3 hr car journeys are unwittingly the vaccine
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