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29 Apr 20
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I am assuming this means that all 26000 people have tested positive for Covid-19 and had it mentioned on their death certificate ?
I'm confused about the word 'related', sounds ambiguous, have all 26000 people died directly from Corona Virus or does the figure include those that died with the virus' as well, i.e it's inconclusive as to whether or not the Virus was the cause of death due to already pre existing underlying health issues ? if so the number appears to be massively inflated ?
I'm confused about the word 'related', sounds ambiguous, have all 26000 people died directly from Corona Virus or does the figure include those that died with the virus' as well, i.e it's inconclusive as to whether or not the Virus was the cause of death due to already pre existing underlying health issues ? if so the number appears to be massively inflated ?
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The stats are ‘padded’.
Often they drop the ‘related’ word. Just like they dropped ‘anthropogenic’ from climate change. Iraq was WMD, then Regime Change, then Democracy. |
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just consider ALL-CAUSE mortality rates, that's all you need to know
not covid deaths covid cases suspected covid deaths or cases hospital covid deaths care home covid deaths everything else is fkin bs propaganda ramping up the fear still plenty of mugs believing the narrative |
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when it starts raining i bet the transport slide will go up,and then they will hide it .
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they said the had an extra 600 critical beds today,but 600 died in the last 24 hours,
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tomorrow they will give the total extra number of beds and subtract the 600 extra that they said they had today but they will not tell you that they added and subtracted 600 over the last 48 hours.
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Is there any point in including care home deaths, hope that doesn't come across as insensitive or anything but, when you are in a care home, you are quite close to the end of your life, where the common flu can kill you, people in care homes are there with 24 hour support because they can no longer look after themselves. Figure also includes NHS workers, how many of these NHS workers did not have adequate protection and were therefore overexposed to the virus hence the governments 60k compensation, admittance of guilt?
The most relevant figure is - the number of people of working age with no serious health issues. Yet not many people in this group appear to be dying, yet country in lockdown, what happens next year if there's a mutation or a new virus strand, we go on like this for years, what is the point, I personally would only expect a lockdown if it were a virus that killed all ages and all health conditions good or bad stone cold dead like the Plague. BBC and Sky both have the same 'Related' headers, should not be used, give the true figure, the figure where you know for 100% sure that a person has died from the virus, if I had the flu then had a heart attack, I would have died from a heart attack, you wouldn't call it a flu related death. |
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wondersobright - Agree! Are you using the ONS figures?
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been looking at public health england's weekly reports (released thursdays)
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a lot of care home workers are dying also,but again they don't say how many.they try to hide these figures but count them in the total.They try to hide all figures for some reason,and put up slides that say their plan is working.
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Wonders - isn't this the source that is being accused of government manipulation?. Haven't done a like for like comparison but the ONS is surely more independant and includes all the segments that the gov is accused of leaving out.
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Padded.
People who died in hospital after testing positive for the virus. People who died outside hospital who are thought to have been positive for the virus on symptoms or on others in the location who had symptoms. |
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brassneck - who is "they"
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Insider Trader - The ONS numbers are based on what is on the Death Certificate. My 92 year old mother in law died last week. Her cert has primary cause of death as Pneunomia. She died in a care home with some tested cases of Covid. Her certificate says "possible secondary cause of death Covid-19". She was not tested and her cause of death was formally recorded as Pneumonia period.
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blackbarn PHE data reports are for all-cause mortality
ie total deaths for a given period |
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would be surprised if those figures were being manipulated either up or down
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Also UK hasn't really locked down so the percentage of immune is possibly quite a bit higher
No point dissecting figures for a few years yet |
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I am sorry to here that blackbarn.
My understanding from ONS comments below is that they talk about covid being mentioned on the death certificate. I stand corrected if I am wrong... Of the deaths registered in Week 16, 8,758 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, which is 39.2% of all deaths; this compares with 6,213 (33.6% of all deaths) in Week 15. In London, over half (55.5%) of deaths registered in Week 16 involved COVID-19; the North West and North East also had a high proportion of COVID-19 deaths, accounting for 42.3% and 41.1% respectively of deaths registered in these regions. Of deaths involving COVID-19 registered up to Week 16, 77.4% (14,796 deaths) occurred in hospital with the remainder occurring in care homes, private homes and hospices. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending17april2020 |
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wonders - I agree, but criteria, terms of reference, death dates, registration dates, publication dates etc etc. Even Geography isn't absolutely clear in some reports.
Wales?, Northern Ireland?. |
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Belgium really counted so many deaths as Covid they ended up with the worst stats in the world.
Sweden did a similar thing. It seems the UK is following. At the same time countries like China might be playing by different rules. |
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tbh I've found PHE's weekly report to be consistent from week to week
they don't appear to have changed how they present their data since this coronavirus situation emerged all-cause mortality for the 4 countries of the UK then broken down by age categories week 16 report is week 15 data in england (other countries slightly behind but they have been consistently behind in earlier reports) as far as I can tell the MSM reporting of "covid deaths" has been all over the place I've heard even suspected covid deaths are being included??? wtf also its been spiking after weekends & now its including care homes...yadda yadda yadda |
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the more criteria they introduce the more opportunities there are to fudge a narrative imo
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lots of countries are not testing at all, especially 3rd world ones
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the stats will be interesting at the end of the year when all these unfortunate victims were forcast to die according to some sourses.if this is the case then the figures will be lower than average?.
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nineteen points - What does your 21.18 post mean?
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i am saying that i keep hearing about victims who had underlying health problems and would of died soon anyway.their words not mine.
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massive majority of deaths occur with underlying health problems...fact
I see little evidence for concluding a lower than average yearly mortality for 2020...on what basis? |
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This whole thing is really starting to stink ! The way things are being reported in the MSM and the fear that it is generating you would think that the hospitals were overflowing and that we were having to step over bodies in the street ! All these Nightingale hospitals are going to turn out to be the biggest white elephants of all time at this rate !
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Does anyone know what people are dying of anymore? its gotten lost in translation for weeks now, no one knows what they're dying off not even the coroners
Like the're not reporting care home deaths, then they are but they ain't testing them all only one's with obvious symptoms, now they are talking about bunging all the deaths into the "covid" death figures without even testing them. People still aren't being tested just being told to stay home if they get any of the 433 symptoms that are listed, started off at 3 but they've added in all kinds of symptoms over the past few weeks, from loss of taste and smell, foot fungus, blisters etc, they know nothing of the virus one minute and the next they know how it spreads and how the body reacts  . Now heart attacks could be because of Covid 19 but they don't know because they ain't testing them (USA), do you have headaches and the sweats at night? (Chris Cuomo and Brooke from the CNN gang) because that's corona virus ya know, best stay off for a few weeks. Do you have fatigue? oh well that's corona virus ya know best stay home Seems to only be affecting the elderly or those with underlying health conditions the most severely, the rest of the cases are mild and clear up in a few days, they've gone from saying it started in March, now it could have been here since December or even earlier, we've all had it one minute, the next we all need to stay in doors and wait for the vaccine.... and on and on and on and on What to believe? no one sodding knows do they  |
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(deliberately) muddied waters SS...it all adds to the drama in the theatre of the absurd
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This ain't incompetence either, its by design, the numbers aren't stacking up to warrant it being a "pandemic" so they are muddying the waters. you've got them adding in "possible covid related" ffs, well is it or isn't it? you can't bung it in with the covid label if you don't know what it is surely?
Are they actually doing a post mortem on these people? for weeks they haven't been counting care home deaths, then all of a sudden the media start pushing that into the public domain because people are questioning the numbers... and then poof! oh look 5000 care home deaths over the past however many weeks just pop up out of nowhere They've been rumbled and are running round like headless chickens at this point |
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Now they are trying to collapse the trucking industry in America
They've gone full rogue and they need stopping before more damage is done ffs |
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What started of as an alone assassin virus has quickly become a mutation of 1000s of diseases, it doesn't just attack the lungs anymore oh no... this thing "runs through the body" like Usain Bolt, destroys the heart, the kidneys, the lungs the whole lot, ends up turning your feet into blister packs before its done
200,000 deaths in 4 months with a virus that attacks everything? I'm sorry but don't you think we'd all be dead with this thing? It comes out of our farts and s*** as well apparently  |
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A Doctor of over 30 years explains how COVID 19 death certificates are manipulated to fit the narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzoOZC9WT1E In her own words - You can be certain the number of deaths is substantially lower than what we are being told. My apologies if someone as already posted that link. |
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Wonder
Yup. Truckers in America are being absolutely robbed blind, bare in mind they have to travel A LOT over there, all night driving to deliver food and essentials, and they are being offered $1 a mile?!?! some truckers are going on strike as they can't survive. This thing has gotten way out of hand quickly and their own "data" is no longer adding up, they have been exposed and are now adding lies on top of an already pile of manure ffs Me thinks a magic cure might hit the shelves soon enough |
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Hospitals still empty, these nightingale hospitals empty, these make shift morgues empty, whether they are getting to use them for something else who knows
But they shouldn't be because by now people should be waking up to this mess |
