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By:
winningthought
When: 28 Apr 20 15:43
Hysterical identitarians are obsessed with gender, skin colour [and] sexuality
By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 15:46
exactly, his entire posts centers around how people with certain genders, skin colours and sexuality dare even be mentioned, have certain jobs or characteristics.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 28 Apr 20 16:14
Edy, the objection to identitarian drama isn't the presence of characters of varying genders, skin colours or sexuality. It's the way their actions, abilities and motivations are divorced from their characters. You just end up with an artificial mess of contradictions.

The female sidekick is sharper and "cooler" than van der Valk, the implication being that he's only her boss on account of being white and male. Yet van der Valk's boss is herself female. So why hasn't the sidekick been promoted too? There's evidently no prejudice in this police force.

The programme makers want to portray women both as powerful figures able to rise to the top and as downtrodden figures held back by the patriarchy. It just looks like characters being shoehorned into roles for the sake of making didactic points rather than telling a story.
By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 16:17
Maybe she's only sharper and cooler because alun wants her to be so he has more to be hysterical about.
By:
winningthought
When: 28 Apr 20 16:23
Oh my, hysterical identitarians don't even see themselves as hysterical identitarians! Hillarious!
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 28 Apr 20 16:26
I think you and alun are just looking for different things from their drama, depending on what you grew up with.

He wants a plausible story. You're looking for education.
By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 16:30
I'm not looking for education in drama, and I also don't heavily overthink drama and potential movitations of the creators. I'm just not a Hysterical Harry.
By:
Gibberish
When: 28 Apr 20 16:49
Excellent stuff as ever from Alun2005 Grin

I've got this recorded but after reading this most informative thread, I think I'll free up some much needed space on the hard drive.

Then again, I'm wrestling with idea of giving it a blast, just so I'll be able to contribute to the thread, but there'll undoubtedly
be a mental price to pay with raised blood pressure...and inevitable tedium.

Not to mention a forum ban if I post my observations after downing a few - I'll pass Mischief
By:
Injera
When: 28 Apr 20 16:52
When tv or films are agenda driven they insult intelligence and lose credibility.

It can often be so obvious it’s painful. A classic example is Hollywood’s boundless attempts to portray America as great and the rest of the world evil. It becomes tiresome.
By:
aaronh
When: 28 Apr 20 17:11
dunno, people seem to have bought a lot into how great and good America is
By:
woundedknee
When: 28 Apr 20 17:15
dont worry .. the good old bbc just mentioned the name Stephen Lawrence as per every week
By:
woundedknee
When: 28 Apr 20 17:17
Strange they never mention soldier Rigby
By:
doridoru
When: 28 Apr 20 17:28

Apr 28, 2020 -- 5:17PM, woundedknee wrote:


Strange they never mention soldier Rigby


Or Kriss Donald etc etc

By:
the bairn
When: 28 Apr 20 17:45
alun, it was f--kin pathetic, I think I lasted 12 minutes, cheers.
By:
HGS
When: 28 Apr 20 18:18
Had it sky+. Will give it a swerve.
By:
ffaith
When: 28 Apr 20 18:29
Apparently if you point out the origins of these narratives you are an identitarian or you have nasty prejudices.  I guess it is easier to virtue signal than it is to actually do some research.
By:
aaronh
When: 28 Apr 20 18:38
not at all but freaks who talk about cultural marxism and THE JEWS!!! certainly are
By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 18:39
but he only included some jews in his conspiracy theory.
By:
ffaith
When: 28 Apr 20 19:13
Its easy to see why we the citizens of the uk are such pushovers.   Lots of spineless mugs who refuse to call a spade a spade.
By:
aaronh
When: 28 Apr 20 19:15
share the research of who to watch or read, ffaith Cool
By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 19:17

Apr 28, 2020 -- 7:13PM, ffaith wrote:


Its easy to see why we the citizens of the uk are such pushovers.

By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 19:18

Apr 28, 2020 -- 6:29PM, ffaith wrote:


Apparently if you point out the origins of these narratives you are an identitarian or you have nasty prejudices.  I guess it is easier to virtue signal than it is to actually do some research.


>Huh? You just complained in your 6:29 PM BST post that people called a spade a spade. Now you bemoan that people don't do it? Make your mind up!

By:
edy
When: 28 Apr 20 19:18
Meant to quote the 7:13 PM BST there
By:
RacingCert
When: 29 Apr 20 06:51
The whole thing about tv dramas is that the characters should be sympathetic, in the sense that the viewer can identify with them in some way. As the world changes so does tv drama.
But then again there’s always been good and bad.
By:
saddo
When: 29 Apr 20 09:57
'Drama' used to mirror society, now it tries to shape it. If it's on BBC I assume it will be a tale woven through with copious virtue signalling, so I avoid.
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