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By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:04
The Truth is Don there is No truth , those answering the Questions Know fook all , Neither do those asking

There is no guarantee of Immunity , and would bet money on a second wave of some nature ...

The only thing that has been is stopping Hospitals being swamped  , The only hope is a Vaccine and that's years away

Masks on and back out ,Will be next call
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Apr 20 17:05
if no immunity exists then 66% would be meaningless anyway
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:05
All guess work Sad
By:
Baphornet
When: 25 Apr 20 17:06
we are beginning to sound like SAGE
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:07
It won't go fully back to normal without treatment or a vaccine. But you can ease restrictions and keep r below 1. Through distancing and test track trace.
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:07
Who knows mate , who knows where it all ends up  , INFACT WHO doesnt know Laugh
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Apr 20 17:07
hope vaccine bestows immunity , for longer than a few weeks



theyve pumped billions into aids, some of them scientists might need to get involved to
locate treatment and cure if we need them.
By:
Baphornet
When: 25 Apr 20 17:07
how frightening was that female Gruppenführer?
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 25 Apr 20 17:08
The guy with the patch obviously had a grudge of sorts with Cummings.cant for the life in me see why people are getting worked up because he entered a meeting with scientists.would seem perfectly logical for him to hear a range of views.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:09
standard derangement syndrome
By:
steerforth
When: 25 Apr 20 17:09
Thats probably where we're heading Cider, and I agree, so why wait any longer? Are they waiting for the app?
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:10
None of the journalists mentioned it but all admissions were falling apart from northern ireland spiking. I'd want to ask Steven why he thinks that is.
By:
steerforth
When: 25 Apr 20 17:12
Here's another question.
If we've been locked down for five weeks, (far longer than the maximum incubation period), where are the new infections coming from?
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:12

Apr 25, 2020 -- 5:09PM, steerforth wrote:


Thats probably where we're heading Cider, and I agree, so why wait any longer? Are they waiting for the app?


They will want hospital deaths significantly down, below 100 I'd say and new cases to be manageable for tracking and tracing.

By:
eyeball
When: 25 Apr 20 17:13
Cider , I would like to hear why the mortality rates of certain groups are disproportionately high . What evidence there is to why they are more susceptible to the virus and what they propose to do to combat that . I would also like to know what has been discussed in SAGE meetings . I'm sick of the cliches and rhetoric .
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:14
Strange Norn so low , but then I suppose Belfast the Biggest city , and very Rural with towns dotted here and there ...
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:16
Eye if we are referring to Etnic people ,the reason is Many live in Large towns , The precentages in the Towns is actually Lower than Whites ...

If we had African hill farmers they would not be catching it  imo .
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:17
What do you mean by certain groups eyeball. The 'bame' stuff has been well covered. Chris Whitty has already said that they will release the SAGE meetings and minutes when the epidemic is over, which is standard procedure.
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:19
Its Like asking why there is such a high percentage among White people in a Dorset Village ..
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:19
No journo has asked why many more males die, but we're at the back of the queue when it comes to virtue.
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 25 Apr 20 17:22
What about the smoking question.14% of us citizens smoke but only 1.3% of those testing positive are smokers,why is that?
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:22

Apr 25, 2020 -- 5:12PM, steerforth wrote:


Here's another question.If we've been locked down for five weeks, (far longer than the maximum incubation period), where are the new infections coming from?


community transfer will still be occurring. especially key workers using Khan's skeleton tfl services.

By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 17:25
and people ignoring the rules of course
By:
elisjohn
When: 25 Apr 20 17:30
seriously were having better questions/answers on betfair forum than were having from journalists. scientist and the useless government.
By:
duffy
When: 25 Apr 20 17:30
steerforth 25 Apr 20 16:12 
Here's another question.
If we've been locked down for five weeks, (far longer than the maximum incubation period), where are the new infections coming from?


That speaks to just how contagious the virus is, because although we've had restrictions it can't really be described as a lock down can it, certainly not stringent enough to starve the virus. This is probably what is holding them back from releasing the restrictions because what would happen then.

I reckon that privately they have been very disappointing at how the figures have maintained through-out the restrictions.

The one big mystery though is just how many people have had it, if we knew that, and it was really high (whatever that is) it might give us that real evidence we need to get thing moving in the right direction.
By:
Baphornet
When: 25 Apr 20 17:33
aye recoveries; i always get an itch when someone is hiding something from me
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:34
The Smoking caper is Very Strange Shocked The U.S figures Extraordinary Plain
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 17:36
Unless no fooker who smokes is Leaving the House Grin I hardly go out ..
By:
eyeball
When: 25 Apr 20 17:51
Case ,In England Black ethnics make up 3.5% of the population . For official figures up to !7th April they made up 5.8% of covid 19 deaths , 66% higher than the share of the population . Asians make up 7.7% and account for 7.6 % of deaths , slightly under . Whites 85.3 % , 73.6 % of deaths , NHS England Office for national statistics .

I will answer all questions as I go along with known facts . I am making the dinner at the moment . I will give no waffle , just facts .

Cheers
By:
Injera
When: 25 Apr 20 18:01
Anyone catch the hospital admissions figure? That’s the one that we need to fall dramatically.

I know people can die at home but you’d think most very sick folk would be admitted.
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Apr 20 18:06
They mostly Live in Densely Populated and High risk Virus areas so the Percentage is Unbalanced Due to that fact

Its like saying why has London the Most Cases , Infact I believe the Percentage of Whites Down down their with the Virus is Higher than Ethnic

Why is that?? as its 50/50 or Perhaps slightly  more ethnic people living there ,
By:
geordie1956
When: 25 Apr 20 18:08
The guy with the patch obviously had a grudge of sorts with Cummings.cant for the life in me see why people are getting worked up because he entered a meeting with scientists.would seem perfectly logical for him to hear a range of views

If that is true why not reveal who attends the meetings and for absolute transparency can we all see the notes which tell us what was discussed; by whom and what were their thoughts ... we can then determine whether non medical attendees (it is SAGE after all so medical opinion should the in the ascendency) were there purely in a background capacity or were they influential in rationalising forward policy because of Gov't narrative   .. the meetings are supposedly a forum for medics with independent opinion and input
By:
Des Pond
When: 25 Apr 20 18:14
Only joking but,. a deadly virus that kills mainly teetotal black people should be very popular on here. Devil
By:
Des Pond
When: 25 Apr 20 18:16
* non-smoking
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 18:19
At the 2011 census, the total Black population of London stood at 1,101,688.[4] This is a rise of 39% from the 2001 census, when the population stood at 781,751.

At the 2011 census, the total Asian population of London stood at 1,511,546.[4] This is a rise of 60% from the 2001 census, when the population stood at 947,425.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 18:21
One would hope eyeball is not using figures that are 9 years out of date, figures which are growing exponentially btw.
By:
eyeball
When: 25 Apr 20 18:21
Case , I don't have the figures on African hill farmers but i hope you accept my first answer?.......I will , however , try to find that informationWink
By:
eyeball
When: 25 Apr 20 18:29
Cider , by "certain groups", I mean the groups that have statistically more chance of dying from the virus .

The BAME stuff has not been well covered . But if I am wrong please point me to the evidence so I can peruse.

Why are minutes of SAGE not released immediately . What is there to hide . Is it a matter of national security ?
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 18:36
Counting the people who have died covid 19 positive is not a way to prove probability. You'd have to have a perfect sample, with the same exposure, same underlying health conditions and equal variable factors. That's just not possible. That's not to say it shouldn't be looked into but the vast likelihood will be it's down to the obvious external factors. But the investigation has been announced and it will need to be thorough and will take a significant amount of time. There's nothing more the authorities can add.
By:
eyeball
When: 25 Apr 20 18:49
Barrowboy , I can only find studies on smoking from China of which I have a great scepticism . Here is a link http://www.tobaccoinduceddiseases.org/COVID-19-and-smoking-A-systematic-review-of-the-evidence,119324,0,2.html
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