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Social distancing orders to keep two metres apart to stop the spread of coronavirus is based on a made up figure, a government adviser has warned.
Robert Dingwall from the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) said the rule was 'conjured up out of nowhere'.
He added: 'Well there is a certain amount of scientific evidence for a one-metre distance which comes out of indoor studies in clinical and experimental settings.
'There's never been a scientific basis for two metres, it's kind of a rule of thumb. But it's not like there is a whole kind of rigorous scientific literature that it is founded upon.'
Mr Dingwall told Radio 4's Today: 'We cannot sustain [social distancing measures] without causing serious damage to society, to the economy and to the physical and mental health of the population.
Hope Ofcom discipline Radio 4 for letting this guy speak......
Robert Dingwall from the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) said the rule was 'conjured up out of nowhere'.
He added: 'Well there is a certain amount of scientific evidence for a one-metre distance which comes out of indoor studies in clinical and experimental settings.
'There's never been a scientific basis for two metres, it's kind of a rule of thumb. But it's not like there is a whole kind of rigorous scientific literature that it is founded upon.'
Mr Dingwall told Radio 4's Today: 'We cannot sustain [social distancing measures] without causing serious damage to society, to the economy and to the physical and mental health of the population.
Hope Ofcom discipline Radio 4 for letting this guy speak......
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Perhaps they won't because he's not a nutter peddling lies.
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as usual the boffins are arguing; i wonder if he's in SAGE?
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He’s an advisor to SAGE.
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oh damn; i very nearly got excited then
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But it would appear they ignore him!
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hence my erection flopping
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read it again Baph and tell me where he's arguing?
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He's pretty much in agreement with the Government and Sage line reading that.
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then i think you should read it again
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When the wife says she'll be home in half an hour. I double it to an hour. It's a made up rule of thumb.
Stands to reason if there is scientific evidence for one metre, with a very dangerous virus I'd increase that as a precaution. 2 metres is the obvious practical figure. I There's nowt to say he's in disagreement fundanmentally with anyone on Sage based on the opening post. His second point 'We cannot sustain [social distancing measures] without causing serious damage to society, to the economy and to the physical and mental health of the population." is pretty much in line with the vast majority of plotical scientific and public opinion. |
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Seems to me there's a bit of wanting to read into something that isn't there going on.
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obvious to whom exactly? Pedantic; but thanks for your opinion
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2m is a safe distance, that's all it means. So is 3m, so is 4 etc. The CDC in the US advise 6 feet which is about 17cm shorter distance.
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People running should be told to keep at least 4m tho. Some fat bird brushed off my shoulder running the other day, on the footpath waving to a neighbour on the other side of the street. Running throws your breath a fair distance as your breath is traveling at the same speed you are running and you are breathing more heavily too.
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The WHO recommends 1m
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'Physical distancing means being physically apart. WHO recommends keeping at least 1-metre (3 feet) distance from others. This is a general measure that everyone should take even if they are well with no known exposure to COVID-19.'
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Can WHO let us know what SD was followed by the Chinese that seems to have worked ..
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How many people will die from not being diagnosed with cancer as those rates of referrals are well down, and how much will that affect/cost the NHS/tax payer in the long run? how many people will suffer life long mental anguish after an increase in domestic abuse? How many will die from cirrhosis of the liver after picking up/catalysing drinking habits in the long run thanks to lockdown?
end this lockdown madness, if not it will make the government look weak as more and more people now breaking it anyway thanks to spring springing, more consistent warmer weather. |
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1m is for inside. Outside must be less!
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Who needs scientific evidence? Just mere common sense eg sputum can travel further than 2m thus virus being much lighter and less dense ought to be able to travel further than 2m as it can easily blown by the wind and speed of travel of person responsible. This assumption is not rocket science just sheer common sense, I firmly believe. Also, prudent to err on the side of caution.
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What ever is being done is Not working we now have the Highest daily amount of deaths world wide
 And we have also been implementing Some measure from other countries The 1000 a day figure looked to be Gone , but after todays Numbers , it now looks certain to be hit on Tuesday / Wednesday |
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casemoney. We reached the peak of deaths on 8th April. No reason at all to think we will suddenly shoot up to 1000 especially as hospital numbers are shrinking.
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it was around 500 deaths per day 5 or 6 days ago. many of these daily deaths being reported now happened days or even weeks ago
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NHS england figures clearly show a declining trend. They are better figures to look at rather then the daily release which depends on how many the administrators have got round to registering and are pretty meaningless.
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How many people will die from not being diagnosed with cancer as those rates of referrals are well down, and how much will that affect/cost the NHS/tax payer in the long run? how many people will suffer life long mental anguish after an increase in domestic abuse? How many will die from cirrhosis of the liver after picking up/catalysing drinking habits in the long run thanks to lockdown?
____________________ probably 100,000 ...however , for those who qualify in taking this government 12 week holiday will see a lot of benefits ...lower stress ,more sleep ,more sunshine and loads more fresh air and exercise ...not to mention lower pollution will help asthma cases ...overall a net gain for the NHS |
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mental health will probably be a 50/50
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people with stroke /cancer symptoms need to get themselves checked ...hospitals say they are still dealing with those cases .and not delay ...some people will delay anyway without this situation ...
cancer teams painting a worst case scenario ...stroke situation i think is worse for the NHS if anything |
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probably 100,000 ...however , for those who qualify in taking this government 12 week holiday will see a lot of benefits ...lower stress ,more sleep ,more sunshine and loads more fresh air and exercise ...not to mention lower pollution will help asthma cases ...overall a net gain for the NHS
how do you work all this out, kids at home permanently would drive parents crazy, those facing financial ruin, those who had GCSE's, A levels, Degrees, Masters to take/finish, all that stress and worry with teachers talking about predicting their grades instead, that would be a an epic disaster for all sorts of reasons, TAX will have to rise to help recover this economic crash in the long run. You're only allowed 1 form of exercise a day for 1 hour so not sure where all the extra sunshine is coming from especially in a country that has Britain's inclement climate, not everybody has gardens. When Cancer referrals rates get going again, it wont just get back to it's normal levels, it will surge to make up for those not coming forward or not allowed to as many screenings cancelled, people also much more likely to take up smoking and drinking more -sales already up with 1/5 admitting to increasing drinking levels according to the mail. I will give you pollution though, that has dropped of course. |
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I think youre being a bit hysterical .... as a percentage of the population very few will be affected at all by all this ...tax may or may not go up ,it's not a given .... all countries are affected not just UK ...so it's a level playing field ...some businesses will go under sadly but many of them were struggling before ...there has been plenty of help for businesses . Tax doesn't have to rise at all ...it's Darwin at work ,,,those businesses able to cope will weather the storm and it will all be OK again .
there will be as many losers as there are winners . If someone wanted to buy a mattress or fridge last month they still need that mattress .... demand hasn't suddenly gone into a black hole . I think you present a naive picture ...people aren't just getting 1 hour of exercise ...i don't know if you live in Norway or Scotland but we have like 40 consecutive sunny days ...and almost everyone has a garden .... the cancer story is alarmist |
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Other diseases are awful and could be eventually deadly. However, Covid-19 is invisible, very contagious, indiscriminate and can kill within days/weeks unlike other diseases. Also, it's the one disease presently killing many thousands throughout the world and paralysing economies of every country.
I'd like to see the NHS deal with all other diseases and ailments asap, but at the moment the risk is too high for other patients to be in hospital for fear of infection. Hopefully in the next few days or so certainly when the Covid-19 cases and deaths rates are on a sharp decline. At the moment Covid-19 is top priority. |
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Hospitals emergencies dept's are still taking calls ...it's the public who are not responding since they don't want to apply any more pressure, but workers i know tell me the hospital seems to be running at less than 50% capacity
people are scared of getting the virus ...the real danger was weeks ago when folk were out in pubs and at race meetings lol it's all in the head |
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Covid cases should have been packed away by now but too many people are still meeting up ...not in parks but around houses ... go onto the estates and see where the dangers lurk and where this virus will 'sleep' for a few weeks
TV news more concerned with people sitting on benches or sunbathing in parks ...ironically it's the UVA destroys the fooker |
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with all due respect coach you've ignored everything I said and just rambled, all those things I said are happening, not will or could. Lay off the BEER imo
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'I' rambled ? ffs ... i answered your ramble more like
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I think like most you are maybe looking at the news and govt guidelines and reading into them ....
look at society around you for life's answers 1 hour was the funniest one .... i can imagine now ....'right OK ,stop watch on timer ...it's now 2.14 .... home at 3,14 precisely' like some sort of army drill  most of the normals go out twice a day or out for the entire afternoon (unless the weather is poor) ...those that don't go out opt to stay in and smoke puff or get drunk and eat pizza ...but that's the other end of the social scale |
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but stress levels going through the roof, everyone in academia worried, anxious and stressed with current situation not knowing what's going to happen with their future, many people have been put off or put of themselves getting health scare signs and staying away from hospitals, grandparents all over the country especially the single ones are very lonely and sad not being able to see children/grandkids. I would imagine many people will be happy to get back to work as well.
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there will be plenty sat on their arris thinking lifes great getting 80% of their wage
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everyone in academia worried
___________________ I would be more worried about the general situation ahead, not whether they're getting a B in social anthropology . I feel sorry for the youngsters in the years ahead ...no meaningful work for 80% of them (mainly outsourced) ,no chance of owning a house ,no chance of social housing, no chance of starting up a small business, retirement at 70 , ... maybe a few more virus's to come ...even trying to make money on here nowadays is a non runner |
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there will be plenty sat on their arris thinking lifes great getting 80% of their wage
___________________ that will be all of them |