The definition of mental illness .. an old dear banging a pot and pan together outside the door in celebration of a "service" that will leave them to drop dead in order to prioritise younger people. Bang bang bang


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8178189/Older-coronavirus-patients-taken-ventilators-BMA-guidelines.html

I'm going to get bashed here for sure

But cancer is best left alone, let the body try and sort it

Chemo? does nothing but destroy the bodies own immune system

But they had people booked in for treatments and these people are in stress, their bodies are now relying on these drugs after they ravaged the sodding immune system

NEVER take drugs from this day on

I wouldnt go that far sontarin but whilst there are decent nurses/doctors there are equally many that can barely speak English, fail patients routinely etc. Every other day I read about doctors who are convicted of horrific things such as failure to spot sepsis in children, performing unnecessary operations allowed to keep their medical license, elderly drinking out of vases etc. Only last year I had to call an ambulance for a relative and it took 3 hours to turn up.. still better than a case I read a few days earlier where an elderly woman was left to die in the streets. Much of it may be down to government underfunding, but a great deal is down to a service which is far from great and kills many people due to its incompetence ranging down from government officials to poor standards of healthcare from many immigrant/native workers. For every pot and pan banged by an old dear( who may well be sacrificed by the NHS) there will be a case like my ex neighbour who was belatedly diagnosed with breast cancer at 26 with repeated failed opportunities to spot the disease. Her family won a large payout from the NHS but not much use other than upgrading her gravestone with the usual guff of " lessons learnt".

NHS dentistry is probably the worst in any civilised country on the planet- no wonder we are mocked as a nation for our teeth but of course with a population of 60 plus million thanks to Blair, no surprise many have teeth like a Jeremy kyle contestant with millions unable to even access one

Wolf3011.....good post ! .....

My 88 year old Dad was in Macclesfield Hospital 2 years ago with Pneumonia and one of the main ward nurses was a pretty grumpy most of the time.

I realised after a few days they were putting what they called meals in front of him and were not bothered that he was only eating 20% of it each time.

I wouldn't give that stuff even to my ex-wife.

If me and my sister hadn't brought food in regularly I reckon he would not have made it out of there !


That said, I would still pay all Hospital staff and Carers 20% more at least.


I'm sure they would prefer the extra cash to being applauded for 5 minutes every Thursday.


Tories are criminally at fault for extreme underfunding of the NHS......which is the reason we are all under Lockdown !

l'd to see you try to live on a nurses wage in London !

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https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/nhs-workforce-being-hollowed-out-by-registered-nurse-shortages-28-11-2019/



Data from the Health Foundation found that, while more doctors and support staff have joined the NHS in 2018-19, not enough nurses have.
In the first quarter of 2018-19, nurse vacancies reached 44,000. According to the report, this number could spiral to 100,000 in a decade.

The nursing crisis has been a major point of interest for political parties in the run up to the general election.

The Conservatives have promised 50,000 new nurses and Labour are committed to reinstating the nursing bursary.

The Health Foundation report found that the overall workforce has seen the biggest annual growth since 2010.

But the charity warned that this was masking an ongoing shift in skill mix because support staff, such as healthcare assistants and nursing associates, were being brought in to compensate for the nursing shortage.

While registered nurses undertake a three-year degree, there are no set entry requirements to become a healthcare assistant, it noted.

According to the Health Foundation, this has effectively caused a “hollowing out” of the NHS workforce, as there is growth in both the most- and least-clinically skilled workers – leaving a gap in the middle.

The report, called Falling short: the NHS workforce challenge, revealed that during 2018-19 there has been a small increase of 4,500 full-time equivalent (FTE) nurses – a rise of just 1.5%.

However, the number of healthcare assistants has gone up by 6,500 – an increase 2.6%.

The number of nurses working in the community, not including health visitors, grew by just 0.7% and mental health nurses went up by only 0.6%, but both groups remain below 2014 levels.

The NHS is also missing its target to recruit at least 5,000 overseas nurses a year until 2023-24 – in 2017-18 only 1,600 joined the service.

Understand your point Leopard which is why the NHS needs total remodeling. These staff shortages were always going to come about due to the poor AFC. Also remember not everywhere is London a nurses wage are more than ample elsewhere, Band 6 30k,8 weeks annual leave, enhanced night shift rate, enhanced public holiday rate, 6months full pay sick leave(abused by some). Not to shabby when all added up. Then you will get your London allowance, various accommodation packages etc, etc, etc. We need staff that want to do the job, not the financial reward more important than caring for humans.

Increase in wages does not bring around better staff, infact it is well known to do the opposite.
The Leopard how about the wages off all London workers, ie TFL, supermarket, bank staff, pharmacy workers, refuse collector's, bar, resturant workers, takeaway, betting office staff, etc, etc, etchow do they all stay and work in London?

Not advocating cutting, just don't see how throwing money at a wage increase is what's required, infact it's not the answer.
Not every NHS worker during this pandemic is run off their feet and stressed(infact the complete opposite (a few are). Infact the hardest part off a nurses job with most object too is dealing with relatives which currently don't do so have plenty time to make up silly dances and post on social media to fill time.

so you are saying you only want people who really want to be a nurse (kind of agree) but dont pay them well because they are doing it because they want to

What iam saying is, a remodeling of the NHS to attract the correct type off candidate for the position (caring profession), throwing money in wage increase is not the way to go.
The current wage and benefits (good pension scheme) is more than satisfactory.

so what incentive is there to attract the correct type of candidate,the days when people do a job because its what they have always wanted to do dont apply to many people now

GAZO, perhaps promote the profession (not the wage and benefits), the importance of the career for life(it is a job for one's working life). So so many ways,but stay away from cash rewards

No GAZO a proper wage for the role, I belive in todays life the pay more than matches the role. Not wanting to take away but come on GAZO, the nurses role is?

If there is a nurse shortage....keep offering more money until you fill that shortage....the market will solve the problem.

If the NHS does not have enough money then the Government has to allocate them more funds.

If the Government does not have enough money then they have to raise taxes.

Austerity has failed and has damaged the NHS such that we are being forced into lockdown to protect it.

T. L. What a ridiculous flawed statement
"keep offering more money until you fill that shortage"
What standard off care are you looking for?

T. L. You are absolutely correct "There should be no shortage!"
Throwing money through wages,perks, pension etc is absolutely the 100% wrong approach.
I ask again, what standard off care are you looking for?
Also, delivered to you by what kind of professional?

But GAZO those that do come into the profession for the Money on offer are not the type we want to attract into said profession..

T. L. Can I ask you about the police force and shortage of officers? Do you think by throwing eg a 20% wage rise will attract the dedicated fair honest officer we require, nedd and indeed want, or would could the outcome be.
How does a regular PC survive in London?