don't hold yer breath

I should clarify before i get slaughtered that of course I wouldn't actually ever bet on deaths if I could, i mean the predictive nature of the science modelling they have followed.

Roll the sleeves up and get the shot or go to the nearest detention centre until you've re-educated

The end

even tougher to compare figures as we had easter and bank holidays in figures.

trend looks to be just getting over the peak.



fingers crossed it stays downwards and picks up speed to get to zero soon.

It doesn't matter as long as you get the trends. Unless you want to get in a flap every day thinking each change is relevant.

The trends are apparent in the 24 hour figs over time and would be for the NHS daily figs too.

The trends are looking promising now and the data is levelling as suggested by the science that lead us into the lockdwon.

Its low infectious SE what else does it mean?

There's no doubt from anything credible I have seen that's evidence based that suggests this disease isn't dangerous based mainly on it's ability to spread exponentially with such a high R rate of transmission (est around 2.5). The symptoms are not severe for many and the death rate is relatively low in % terms but unchecked it spreads to such an extent and infects so many the death rate would still be horrific because of the sheer weight of numbers.

Spain,Italy France,US the figures are relentless cases going down but very skowly and 500 deaths aday is incredible the US have hiot 2,300 alreasy todat will be theior highest today over 3,000..

They are asking for it,absolute nutjobs never seen so many fruitcakes the only way they will learn p1gshit for brains.

UK dearhs per million 255
NHS staff 1.5 million
NHS staff deaths 100
NHS staff deaths per million 67

In the overall context of the outbreak how can you possibly say that?

Think he realises Boris has done him and the rest will leave him hang out to dry on his 100k tests a day. He'll be the fall guy.

Front page of The Telegraph going after him again tomorrow.

757 i see today they have now given totals of 41,000 now more realistic..plus this

Dozens of patients with Covid-19 have been turned away from the NHS Nightingale hospital in London because it has too few nurses to treat them, the Guardian can reveal.

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The disclosure comes amid a growing belief among hospital management in the capital that the Nightingale, built to great acclaim over just nine days, was becoming a “white elephant”.

The hospital has been unable to admit about 50 people with the disease and needing “life or death” care since its first patient arrived at the site, in the ExCeL exhibition centre, in London’s Docklands, on 7 April. Thirty of these people were rejected because of a lack of staff.

The planned transfer of more than 30 patients from established London hospitals to the Nightingale was “cancelled due to staffing issues”, according to NHS documents seen by the Guardian. All the patients had been intubated and were on a ventilator because they were so unwell.

The revelation raises questions about the role and future of the hospital, which up until Monday had only treated 41 patients, despite being designed to include almost 4,000 beds.


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That means that the hospital has rejected more patients, owing to a combination of understaffing and the patients’ health, than it has treated. Of those 41 patients, four have died, seven have been discharged to a less critical level of care, and the other 30 were still being cared for at the Nightingale.

The hospital is being obliged to reject people needing care because it cannot get enough of the nurses usually based in other hospitals to work there, staff at the new facility claimed.

One member of staff said: “There are plenty of people working here, including plenty of doctors. But there aren’t enough critical care nurses. They’re already working in other hospitals and being run ragged there. There aren’t spare people [specialist nurses] around to do this. That’s the problem. That leads to patients having to be rejected, because there aren’t enough critical care nurses.”

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Almost 20 other patients have been rejected by the Nightingale on medical grounds, for example because they were “too unwell to transfer” or had had a tube inserted into their throat to help them breathe, or because they did not meet the new hospital’s strict clinical admission criteria.

The Nightingale, which was opened in a high-profile ceremony involving Prince Charles on 3 April, admitted its first patient on 7 April and rejected the planned transfer of a patients from another London hospital for the first time on 9 April.

NHS England decided to create the hospital because they feared that within weeks hospitals in the capital would have been overwhelmed by the numbers of people needing intensive care.

At the time the health secretary, Matt Hancock, said that the NHS was “preparing for the worst but hoping for the best”.

One senior intensive care doctor said: “The Nightingale is clearly not a hospital. It’s an emergency overflow facility to ventilate patients to stop them from dying when hospitals have run out of space.”


Sir David Sloman, head of the NHS in London, oversaw the project, in which the army was closely involved, and it was approved by Sir Simon Stevens, chief executive of NHS England, and the prime minister, Boris Johnson.

Sloman wrote to NHS heads in London last Friday asking them to provide about 200 doctors and nurses so that the Nightingale could be used for a growing number of patients needing critical care and help established hospitals resume operations and preparations for the winter ahead.

Despite this, the Nightingale’s inability to admit patients has left established London hospitals unable to relieve the pressure on their overcrowded intensive care units by transferring people suffering from the coronavirus.

That has had the biggest impact on Northwick Park hospital, north-west London, which had to declare a “critical incident” and temporarily shut its doors to new admissions last month as the impact of the coronavirus worsened. It has been unable to transfer more than 30 patients to the Nightingale since 9 April, with many of those planned switches “cancelled due to staffing issues”, the documents show.

The Royal Free hospital, in Camden, London, has also had to abandon plans to transfer about 15 patients from its ICU to the Nightingale. Again, that was often due to lack of staff. Other hospitals in the capital, including St Mary’s, the Royal London and North Middlesex, have also had transfers blocked.

The Nightingale is already under intense scrutiny amid disagreements among NHS leaders and senior doctors in the capital over its purpose and whether or not it is a good use of resources.

A senior official at a London trust said: “It’s a white elephant. When it was conceived a month ago we were facing the prospect of hospitals in London being overrun and mass burial sites like in New York. We thought that London would be Italy and there would be more patients needing level 3 intensive care treatment by this stage.

“But the expected doubling every three days in the number of patients needing to be admitted to ICU didn’t happen. London hospitals doubled, tripled and in some cases quadrupled the capacity of their ICUs, so still have spare capacity, which means the Nightingale hasn’t been needed.”


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Other NHS planners said it was better to over-prepare for the pandemic. A senior intensive care doctor said: “ It was a sensible project designed to stave off the type of situation we saw in Italy. It may have just been a matter of days and we would have been thankful it existed. Thankfully, good surge planning to massively increase critical care capacity in hospitals, and a last ditch redistribution effort to move patients from stressed small hospitals to larger hospitals with space, has meant that we have not needed this type of facility.”

Stevens echoed that view at the weekend, saying: “We have not yet had to make extensive use of the Nightingale London thanks to the hard work of NHS staff, who have freed up more than 30,000 existing hospital beds, and the public, who have played their part by staying at home and saving lives.”

An NHS London spokesperson said: “The most important point about staff at the Nightingale is that thanks to their care and expertise, patients in that hospital are being successfully treated, discharged and ultimately having their life saved.

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“There remains spare capacity in the critical care network across the capital to look after all coronavirus patients and others who need our care, and while it is incredibly reassuring for both staff and patients to have backup capacity at the Nightingale to alleviate pressure on ICU departments where needed, patients can be transferred to other hospitals in the city if they are better placed to receive them at that time – as is always the case.”

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “It is misleading to suggest coronavirus patients are being turned away from NHS Nightingale due to a shortage of staff.

“NHS Nightingale has been set up to treat patients if the NHS was overwhelmed but thanks to the great work of selfless NHS staff, there is spare capacity in existing London hospitals to treat all coronavirus patients there instead.”

So much for the hospitals empty,not enpugh staff at nightingale to even operate it,turning covid patients away absolute diagrace just unbelievable the things that are happening..

why are people being taken to the Nightingale when there is capacity at other Hospitals ?

So all LONDON HOSPITALS are full ?

The Nightingale is an overflow unit ,why would it be fully manned ?? How many has it treated ??

killed off in care homes to keep
the number of vacant hospital beds as high as possible  ??

Well if that is the case why are people going to the Nightingale ??