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The wearer if asymptomatic would be of little threat to yourself under social distancing if you followed all the guidance that has been given regarding hand washing after you have been out and not touching your face.
A wearer with symptoms should be self isolating, not being out and about either with or without a mask. The masks as people are wearing them now without eye protection from all my current understanding would offer little confidence you are being protected. Like locking the front door and leaving the windows open to keep the burglars out. If you could point me to the studies that scientifically prove the wearing of face masks (in the guise we currently see them) offer extra protection under social distancing conditions then I will gladly investigate. If this evidence was strong the govt would have surely imposed this as mandatory.Scientists are disagreeing with each other but the non experts on here know it all and have the gall to tell others who disagree that they are idiots. |
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Watch as the 'science' changes and masks are advised to be worn in packed public places once restrictions are lifted.
The notion that all these Asians are wearing masks by coincidence and against the current 'science' is ridiculous. They are obviously being advised and/or told to wear them. The notion that coughing and sneezing into your elbow is more beneficial than wearing a mask is ridiculous. The advice to protect against the secondary means of spread by washing your hands 10 times a day, but take no precautions against the primary means of spread other than cough into your elbow and keep distance even though it's almost impossible to keep distance from every person all the time eg while at the supermarket, makes no sense. Even if you have a n95 or n99 mask, which are effective, they don't advise you to wear one. Makes no sense. There's a reason for all of this - lack of widespread availability in the West and panic. They can't advise to wear masks if there aren't enough for everyone because everyone will panic and blame the politicians. Politically influenced 'science' and advice not based on best practice or science at all. As I said, the 'science' around masks will change once they are available and before lockdown is released. |
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Public transport and supermarkets are enclosed areas where we know the virus thrives..You can not enter a supermarket in Austria Italy Germany Spain and many many other countries without a face mask..why do you think that is?
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If youre just going for a short shopping trip (not long enough to worry about lack of oxygen)
And theres a pandemic and you dont know if you have the virus Then wearing a mask is just a nice courtesy to others Its not and shouldnt be an obligation but when i see others in masks now i just see it as a nice gesture rather than phobia or hysteria. |
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For asymptomatics to be good spreaders of the virus in general (as has been widely reported) it can only really be via the simple, obvious route imo - person A breathes out and person B nearby breathes in
I don't know whether a simple low-grade mask would do anything to stop you breathing in or breathing out the virus. I suppose a simple test would be to wear a mask in cold weather and see if you can still see your breath |
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Watch as the 'science' changes and masks are advised to be worn in packed public places once restrictions are lifted.
And why wouldn't this be so? My points have been made under the current social distancing rules we are all living under and I have also said on other threads that there is unlikely to be much chance of everyone getting a mask at present. |
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Why wouldn't this be so? It currently isn't so according to the 'science'.
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You are talking about packed public places? where people can leave their homes as they please. This is not what we are living through at present.
masks are a different proposition at present than under an ease in restrictions where contact is changed. |
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No, I'm talking about the more packed places now, like supermarkets and public transport. They will reopen after lockdown and a lot of the social distancing measures will still be in place, just like now, except they will advise masks too, when they didn't advise them before lockdown while social distancing was in place.
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People could leave their home as they pleased when the earliest restrictions were in place, they were told to socially distance but not told to wear masks. It will be the same after lockdown is released except they will be told to wear masks.
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Public transport isn't packed now is it, there's hardly anyone using it? Supermarkets well how close are you getting up to people?
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If nothing changes the advice will remain the same IMO. If your ideas about the supply are the driving issue it will become obvious and they won't be able to escape a sudden U turn in policy without changing the measures in place.
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trouble with science is that it's not an exact science. you get 100 scientists in a room and they'll be an incredibly wide range of views and solutions
and the media will of course only go with those who make wild predictions usually of complete and utter doom which are out of kilter with the mainstream view |
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Public transport and supermarkets won't be packed after lockdown either, it will be a gradual release. But we will be told either to wear masks or that they are beneficial.
The point I am making is a simple one. We were given advice based on availability of masks and told it was based on science when it wasn't - it was based on availability of masks. The Asians weren't given the same advice. And when availability changes over here so will the 'science'. We were given poor advice not based on best practice from a health perspective. |
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well the science geezer advising bojo and assorted idiots Whitty I think..said keeping deaths under 20k would be a good result
According to the Financial Times we are already in excess of 40 k deaths..the worst in Europe...shameful. |
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Yes that's your opinion Lurka, If you are right I would hope that's the end of this govt.
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handjob,government scoffed at the thought of free masks to public in commons an hour ago,which would seem to rule out completely compulsory masks
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I'm an economist not an epidemiologist so am trying to muddle my way through this.
You'd think there would be undoubted scientific world evidence, based on studies and data who's findings are statistically significant that left no doubt the wearing of face masks in this situation was beneficial. |
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It alone won't be the end of any government, the whole of the West was in the same position - not in a position to provide masks to everyone because of a supply shortage at the time. Advice based more on politics, lack of availability and avoiding panic than science.
You can understand why it was given in those circumstances. I just don't like having my intelligence insulted by them telling me it's based on 'science', when it clearly isn't based on science alone or possibly at all, and that we should frantically protect against the secondary means of spread but not so much against the primary means of spread. If there was the same widespread shortage of soap and sanitiser they wouldn't have told us to wash our hands as much either. My prediction is that the scientific consensus will change, just as we talk about releasing lockdown, to 'they are beneficial and should be worn'. And that will be more intelligence insulting nonsense. I may be wrong of course, time will tell. |
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The timing of the change in scientific consensus will miraculously coincide with masks becoming widely available over here, I mean, not that the advice to wear masks will be nonsense.
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'm not convinced most people would see things like that even if the intention was not to cause panic. I certainly wouldn't.
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if masks become compulsory that's pubs,eateries not opening for 6 mmonths plus,leisure etcno good having them if your continually taking them off to eat ,drink,etc,do more harm than good
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I'd not "venture" into a supermarket if necessary but one needs to eat to stay alive and be sane. Of course the risk at supermarket is greater than in open space given the monkeys that shop there; online shopping is not an option either given the priority if for the elderly and infirm.
The health experts were advocating a 2m distancing advice as sufficient, and lately this has been amended to being the minimum. Even a half-wit like myself knew 2m was less than one could spit. And, a deadly virus was more energetic than that. Use the guideline issued by government health experts, but multiply that by at twice. |
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sofiakenny • April 22, 2020 12:26 PM BST
A mask protects everyone from the WEARER  quite frankly if that's the stance you are taking then everybody should be in hazmat suits |
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Public transport isn't packed now is it, there's hardly anyone using it? Buses are empty in London but tubes are packed. That is where it can be spread and masks are a good idea. Why do health workers wear them? A tishoo A tishoo We all fall down! We have been here before! |
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tubes are packed?
Tell that to those doing the daily briefings they should not be fact either on their figures or govt policy. Health workers are at much higher risks than you are doing your weekly shop for obvious reason. If the tube is packed they are taking the complete p1ss. |
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*should not be packed
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It is not taking the pith Khan has the tube running at 55% capacity. Builders are outnumbering key workers. Something like 16 bus drivers have died. One was 36 but has asthma. He should have been furloughed! They didn’t get proper PPE, their cabs were not even cleaned properly One minute Khan says he is following WHO guidelines now he is calling for masks THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING |
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Again I would say wear gloves, glasses and masks on the tube
Why are infections not dropping faster after 4 weeks of lockdown? |
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All of Germany's states have announced plans to make face masks compulsory to combat the spread of coronavirus.
They seem to be Ahead of the Game thus far .... Only a Suggestion but there are half decent masks Available on line , can be washed and reused ... Maybe get get a couple .. |
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Death if Khan told me tomorrow was Friday I would check the Calendar ...
The whole carry on in London with him and TFL has been at best ,useless , surely Boris should have stepped in ?? Who is in charge Khan or Government ?? I made a statement on this Forum more than a Month back saying the Tube needed Shutting down , I was shouted down , and informed I was a mug  |
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Ahead of the game ?
My daughter lives in Berlin and she had this APP the bbc are on about this morning.....six weeks ago. She knows who had the virus in her appartment block.I U k not even in the game |
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Tomorrow is Friday
So let me get this right. We need to lock down and socially distance. If you sit on a park bench you could incur a fine and yet 15,000 people a day sit in a flying tin can inches from each other breathing the same recycled air coming from places that have the virus? So why are we on lockdown? We might not be able to develop a vaccine for this. Even if we do it might take until we’ll after Christmas. I haven’t got the answers and am not an expert but I just know we are being lied to. I would urge everybody to wear a mask gloves and glasses in confined public spaces. |
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does anyone really believe that a virus that has spread around the world effected 10 million and probably nearer 100 million plus, wouldn't have infected anyone if we,d kept our hands in our pockets,washed them and stood 2 metres away from someone if they were coughing or sneezing, cant see it myself,still convinced its airbourne like ordinary flu ,at least in parts
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I HAvnt been shopping but the wives opinion is that mostly middle aged men doing the shopping for their family are wearing gloves, masks and scampering around the supermarket thinking themselves untoouchable and completely forgetting about any social distancing measures,roll that out country wide and you can see the downside of mzsk wearing
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and compare that to the downside of no mask wearing which is a global pandemic
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Mr Khan is a political non-entity. Despite social distancing advised yet buses still allowed users to enter using the front door and tap their oyster card on the machine next to the driver. This practice only stopped after several bus drivers contracted Covid-19 and died.
What a dimwit! |
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Pointless suggesting the deaths bus drivers suffered were a direct result from sars-cov-2 as from other underlying health issues, let alone suggest they caught virus from work without some evidence. There is several thousand bus drivers and many a fair age, in bad health and from high risk groups. When will people realise 2+2 does not equal 5. What's the usual death rate in bus drivers?,ethnic make up, health, risk of catching it elsewhere? They might of caught it at work but they might of died anyway, from heart disease, obesity and related stuff, prob quite a stressfull job as well. If the drivers were catching it should be correlation evidence from passenger deaths as well, some evidence not just assumption.
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I'd like to think the using of the middle door to board a bus thus away from the driver spoke volume. Sometimes one does not require a definitive confirmation to validate a link to Covid-19 as the virus is still relatively new eg social distancing. But, the results are sufficiently revealing and conclusive.
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Conclusive they are not, you having a larf, must be 3k bus drivers. How many bus drivers so how many die a year? How many went into hospital because of other health probs and possibly caught it there? It's not rocket science but without a whole lot more info it's a worthless exercise, the truth is out there.
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