Face Masks

Iranian business men ,  well as about all they have over there is OIL  , which is now worth

ZILCH , What dealings will they be involved with ..

I thought you may have said ,Young Scientists and Engineers , we usually get plenty of them ..

They have saffron, lots and lots of saffron.
Very expensive stuff is saffron.

Thanks for that Ang , I knew there must be some important import we required ..

Saffron is one of the world's most precious spices. Just a few strands are enough to flavour food. More recently, scientific reports and studies have been published that reveal a balancing effect on nerves, feelings and mood. Vitamins B6 and B12 as well as magnesium contribute to the normal functioning of the nervous system and to the reduction of tiredness and fatigue. Pantothenic acid, also called vitamin B5, supports mental performance and contributes to the normal formation of neurotransmitters. With 1 saffron-nerve-capsule daily, you can support your mental performance and well-being as well as your resilience in work and everyday life.

That will be what the Young Scientists have been studying ...

They also have pistachios, lots and lots of pistachios.
Ali always used to bring me a jar of pistachios when he popped over from Tehran. 

I love pistachios

Pistachios are for pezants..us cultured fellows eat nowt but cashews.

Walnuts are the way forward ,but not on top of a whip

really struggling
cant understand
every fecking doc , nurse or health worker
i see on t v
is wearing a facemask
shirley if we dont wear them...like the general public
more people will get infected
and the health staff need fecking more of them
its a never ending circle
hand them out for free for fecks sake to everyone
and tell everyone to wear one or stick them in jail
this is fecking stupid

Apr 21, 2020 -- 9:12AM, sofiakenny wrote:

Pistachios are for pezants..us cultured fellows eat nowt but cashews.

Cashews absolutely on the list for the top nut, and you can't forget about macadamia's either.

They are dangerous and you demanding everyone wears one makes you complicit

We need fresh oxygen, clean air, and breathing in and out through a mask isn't possible, you are going to poison the body ffs, your heart rate will go up and your lungs will be going berserk for fresh oxygen

You're a clown sofia, a pathetic idiot

Some dumb people around making excuses for not wearing masks. Like Doctor Shrillary Jones on ITV this morning effectively saying what is the
point of wearing a mask most of us haven’t got covid!  Then why are we on lockdown dummy! The Susannah bird tried to ask him about people who were a symptomatic  but he did not answer.

Trust these experts with your life? I don’t think so!

There should be studies that prove this scientifically, if there were then this would surely be the advice regarding mask wearing.

Nearly everyone on here is NOT an expert on any of this we are all trying to plot our way through with the advice we are given from sources we'd like to be able to trust.

I've listened to a range of views from experts and their advice is pretty different.Non experts calling others dumb as if their view is definitely correct has been a big theme of this forum.

They can't even get the kit for the health providers let alone thinking to make mask wearing compulsory for everyone else.

There could well be a growing problem with seasonal allergies into the mix here, I would tend to put more weight behind this becoming a problem and I've heard very little spoken about it.

My way of thinking being a long term hayfever sufferer is that asymptomatic Covid carriers with seasonal allergy could be a bigger cause for concern with transmission than would normally be the case when those with similar symptoms out of the allergy season who shouldn't be out in public.

Sneezing fits with face masks is a delightful prospect for allergy sufferers walking round the supermarket with a face full of snot under their masks.

Very true!

Let me ask you a question why do we slap kids around the head when they sneeze and don’t put their hand in front of their mouths and nose?

Why do we call our colleagues at work “ dirty bstards“ when they sneeze or cough and don’t cover their mouths and nose?

Yes of course there's never a time when you want others coughing and sneezing at you but most would normally turn away or as you say put their hand over their faces or cough sneeze into a tissue/hanky. How many of these would then sanitise properly is another matter in normal times probably not enough but most wouldn't get too hung up about it in more normal times.

The thing is People were told to self isolate when this all kicked off if they were showing symptoms, no one should really be out with a cough at the moment mask or otherwise! A mask shouldn't be seen as being ok to wear so that enables one to go out in public if they are coughing/sneezing.

Asymptomatic people would from many experts should not be posing much of a threat with the social distancing /sanitising/not touching faces recommended measures since lockdown.

Of course when lockdown is eased with any social distancing measures relaxed somewhat face masks could well become more relevant to offer more protection. Hayfever for me looks to be a potential issue with transmission especially with sneezing.You will many more people that wouldn't usually have these allergy symptoms developing them and they may think it's just hayfever but they could be asymptomatic carriers of covid.

You also see that health providers have the eyes shielded in their PPE and of course these face masks being worn by the public do not. The eyes would be as good an entry point as any for this virus.

Agree with most of what you say but we are being lied to.

The eyes, 100% with you so should I stop wearing a mask or maybe wear sun glasses on the tube or in the supermarket?

I am going to quote you not to have a go at you but it is what I have heard from the Experts

A mask shouldn't be seen as being ok to wear so that enables one to go out in public if they are coughing/sneezing.

Asymptomatic people would from many experts should not be posing much of a threat with the social distancing /sanitising/not touching faces recommended measures since lockdown.

Sorry those last two points  are not reasons not to wear masks. We know so much more now. We know this can kill us or our loved ones. If people stop washing their hands I am with Charles Darwin. I will continue wearing masks gloves and glasses when I consider they are required not when the experts say so or the Government

I do follow some experts  on the subject, let me quote them for you

A ring a ring o’roses

a pocket full of posies

a-tishoo a-tishoo

We all fall down

That's perfectly fair enough Whispering, no problem with that at all.As said earlier we all have to plough our own furrow here getting through this.Some measures have been MUSTS to implement and others like this have many more variables to them and are not so black and white.

I'm not referring to yourself but there have been a lot of as I say non experts calling others (non experts too) idiots basically for interpreting conflicting science findings differently. Hands up for me and I'm sure most in saying I have come into this situation with very little knowledge so it's about trying to learn on the fly.

Anyway I'm off for the 2 hour daily fix of Game Of Thrones

Tru dat Edge!

Mea culpa!

I try not to be rude.....but it’s impossible

Must try harder!

My only concern is that there are so many people out there who trust in what they are being told but they are being lied to, not just by politicians but by Government and it’s Experts and that is not just wrong it is criminal

Btw I had tickets to Khaleesi in The Seagull., gutted.

But I am learning to get over my disappointment

Apr 21, 2020 -- 7:14PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

They are dangerous and you demanding everyone wears one makes you complicit We need fresh oxygen, clean air, and breathing in and out through a mask isn't possible, you are going to poison the body ffs, your heart rate will go up and your lungs will be going berserk for fresh oxygen You're a clown sofia, a pathetic idiot

absolutely right

posted this on horse racing forum...

wondersobright • April 22, 2020 12:13 PM BST
face masks restrict your breathing so I won't ever be wearing 1 even if it becomes mandatory

university of NSW did a study around 5/6 years ago linking regular face mask use to changing ph of the blood (more acidic)
acidosis...which can be life threatening

SE also makes an excellent point imo about how fkin dumb some people are
followers rather than independent thinkers

people wearing masks covering their nose & mouth but leaving their eyes exposed
cheers I'll be using that 1

Are you really so thick?..A mask protects everyone from the WEARER...it slows the spread...the rest of the world is wrong?  wise the f up.

The wearer if asymptomatic would be of little threat to yourself under social distancing if you followed all the guidance that has been given regarding hand washing after you have been out and not touching your face.

A wearer with symptoms should be self isolating, not being out and about either with or without a mask.

The masks as people are wearing them now without eye protection from all my current understanding would offer little confidence you are being protected. Like locking the front door and leaving the windows open to keep the burglars out.

If you could point me to the studies that scientifically prove the wearing of face masks (in the guise we currently see them) offer extra protection under social distancing conditions then I will gladly investigate. If this evidence was strong the govt would have surely imposed this as mandatory.Scientists are disagreeing with each other but the non experts on here know it all and have the gall to tell others who disagree that they are idiots.

Watch as the 'science' changes and masks are advised to be worn in packed public places once restrictions are lifted.

The notion that all these Asians are wearing masks by coincidence and against the current 'science' is ridiculous. They are obviously being advised and/or told to wear them.

The notion that coughing and sneezing into your elbow is more beneficial than wearing a mask is ridiculous.

The advice to protect against the secondary means of spread by washing your hands 10 times a day, but take no precautions against the primary means of spread other than cough into your elbow and keep distance even though it's almost impossible to keep distance from every person all the time eg while at the supermarket, makes no sense. Even if you have a n95 or n99 mask, which are effective, they don't advise you to wear one. Makes no sense.

There's a reason for all of this - lack of widespread availability in the West and panic. They can't advise to wear masks if there aren't enough for everyone because everyone will panic and blame the politicians. Politically influenced 'science' and advice not based on best practice or science at all.

As I said, the 'science' around masks will change once they are available and before lockdown is released.

Public transport and supermarkets are enclosed areas where we know the virus thrives..You can not enter a supermarket in Austria Italy Germany Spain and many many other countries without a face mask..why do you think that is?

If youre just going for a short shopping trip (not long enough to worry about lack of oxygen)
And theres a pandemic and you dont know if you have the virus
Then wearing a mask is just a nice courtesy to others

Its not and shouldnt be an obligation but when i see others in masks now i just see it as a nice gesture rather than phobia or hysteria.

For asymptomatics to be good spreaders of the virus in general (as has been widely reported) it can only really be via the simple, obvious route imo - person A breathes out and person B nearby breathes in

I don't know whether a simple low-grade mask would do anything to stop you breathing in or breathing out the virus.  I suppose a simple test would be to wear a mask in cold weather and see if you can still see your breath

Watch as the 'science' changes and masks are advised to be worn in packed public places once restrictions are lifted.

And why wouldn't this be so?

My points have been made under the current social distancing rules we are all living under and I have also said on other threads that there is unlikely to be much chance of everyone getting a mask at present.

Why wouldn't this be so? It currently isn't so according to the 'science'.

You are talking about packed public places? where people can leave their homes as they please. This is not what we are living through at present.

masks are a different proposition at present than under an ease in restrictions where contact is changed.

No, I'm talking about the more packed places now, like supermarkets and public transport. They will reopen after lockdown and a lot of the social distancing measures will still be in place, just like now, except they will advise masks too, when they didn't advise them before lockdown while social distancing was in place.

People could leave their home as they pleased when the earliest restrictions were in place, they were told to socially distance but not told to wear masks. It will be the same after lockdown is released except they will be told to wear masks.

Public transport isn't packed now is it, there's hardly anyone using it? Supermarkets well how close are you getting up to people?

If nothing changes the advice will remain the same IMO. If your ideas about the supply are the driving issue it will become obvious and they won't be able to escape a sudden U turn in policy without changing the measures in place.

trouble with science is that it's not an exact science. you get 100 scientists in a room and they'll be an incredibly wide range of views and solutions

and the media will of course only go with those who make wild predictions usually of complete and utter doom which are out of kilter with the mainstream view

Public transport and supermarkets won't be packed after lockdown either, it will be a gradual release. But we will be told either to wear masks or that they are beneficial.

The point I am making is a simple one. We were given advice based on availability of masks and told it was based on science when it wasn't - it was based on availability of masks. The Asians weren't given the same advice. And when availability changes over here so will the 'science'. We were given poor advice not based on best practice from a health perspective.

well the science geezer advising bojo and assorted idiots Whitty I think..said keeping deaths under 20k would be a good result
According to the Financial Times we are already in excess of 40 k deaths..the worst in Europe...shameful.

Yes that's your opinion Lurka, If you are right I would hope that's the end of this govt.

handjob,government scoffed at the thought of free masks to public in commons an hour ago,which would seem to rule out completely compulsory masks

I'm an economist not an epidemiologist so am trying to muddle my way through this.

You'd think there would be undoubted scientific world evidence, based on studies and data who's findings are statistically significant that left no doubt the wearing of face masks in this situation was beneficial.

It alone won't be the end of any government, the whole of the West was in the same position - not in a position to provide masks to everyone because of a supply shortage at the time. Advice based more on politics, lack of availability and avoiding panic than science.

You can understand why it was given in those circumstances. I just don't like having my intelligence insulted by them telling me it's based on 'science', when it clearly isn't based on science alone or possibly at all, and that we should frantically protect against the secondary means of spread but not so much against the primary means of spread. If there was the same widespread shortage of soap and sanitiser they wouldn't have told us to wash our hands as much either.

My prediction is that the scientific consensus will change, just as we talk about releasing lockdown, to 'they are beneficial and should be worn'. And that will be more intelligence insulting nonsense. I may be wrong of course, time will tell.

The timing of the change in scientific consensus will miraculously coincide with masks becoming widely available over here, I mean, not that the advice to wear masks will be nonsense.

'm not convinced most people would see things like that even if the intention was not to cause panic. I certainly wouldn't.

if masks become compulsory that's pubs,eateries not opening for 6 mmonths plus,leisure etcno good having them if your continually taking them off to eat ,drink,etc,do more harm than good

I'd not "venture" into a supermarket if necessary but one needs to eat to stay alive and be sane. Of course the risk at supermarket is greater than in open space given the monkeys that shop there; online shopping is not an option either given the priority if for the elderly and infirm.

The health experts were advocating a 2m distancing advice as sufficient, and lately this has been amended to being the minimum. Even a half-wit like myself knew 2m was less than one could spit. And, a deadly virus was more energetic than that.

Use the guideline issued by government health experts, but multiply that by at twice.

sofiakenny • April 22, 2020 12:26 PM BST
A mask protects everyone from the WEARER


quite frankly if that's the stance you are taking then everybody should be in hazmat suits

Public transport isn't packed now is it, there's hardly anyone using it?

Buses are empty in London but tubes are packed. That is where it can be spread and masks are a good idea. Why do health workers wear them?


A tishoo A tishoo
We all fall down!

We have been here before!

tubes are packed?

Tell that to those doing the daily briefings they should not be fact either on their figures or govt policy.

Health workers are at much higher risks than you are doing your weekly shop for obvious reason.

If the tube is packed they are taking the complete p1ss.

*should not be packed

Edge

It is not taking the pith

Khan has the tube running at 55% capacity. Builders are outnumbering key workers.

Something like 16 bus drivers have died. One was 36 but has asthma. He should have been furloughed!

They didn’t get proper PPE, their cabs were not even cleaned properly

One minute Khan says he is following WHO guidelines now he is calling for masks

THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING

Again I would say wear gloves, glasses and masks on the tube

Why are infections not dropping faster after 4 weeks of lockdown?

All of Germany's states have announced plans to make face masks compulsory to combat the spread of coronavirus.

They seem to be Ahead of the Game thus far  ....

Only a Suggestion but there are half decent masks Available on line , can be washed and reused  ... Maybe get get a couple ..

Death if Khan told me tomorrow  was Friday I would check the Calendar ...

The whole carry on in London with him and TFL has been at best ,useless , surely Boris should have stepped in ??

Who is in charge Khan  or Government ??


I made a statement on this Forum more than a Month back saying the Tube needed Shutting down ,  I was shouted down , and  informed I was a mug

Ahead of the game ?

My daughter lives in Berlin and she had this APP the bbc are on about this morning.....six weeks ago. She knows who had the virus in her appartment block.I

U k not even in the game

Tomorrow is Friday

So let me get this right. We need to lock down and socially distance. If you sit on a park bench you could incur a fine and yet 15,000 people a day sit in a flying tin can inches from each other breathing the same recycled air coming  from places that have the virus?

So why are we on lockdown?

We might not be able to develop a vaccine for this. Even if we do it might take until we’ll after Christmas. I haven’t got the answers and am not an expert but I just know we are being lied to.

I would urge everybody to wear a mask gloves and glasses in confined public spaces.

does anyone really believe that a virus that has spread around the world effected 10 million and probably nearer 100 million plus, wouldn't have infected anyone if we,d kept our hands in our pockets,washed them and stood 2 metres away from someone if they were coughing or sneezing, cant see it myself,still convinced its airbourne like ordinary flu ,at least in parts

I HAvnt been shopping but the wives opinion is that mostly middle aged men doing the shopping for their family are wearing gloves, masks and scampering around the supermarket thinking themselves untoouchable and completely forgetting about any social distancing measures,roll that out country wide and you can see the downside of mzsk wearing

and compare that to the downside of no mask wearing which is a global pandemic

Mr Khan is a political non-entity. Despite social distancing advised yet buses still allowed users to enter using the front door and tap their oyster card on the machine next to the driver. This practice only stopped after several bus drivers contracted Covid-19 and died.

What a dimwit!

Pointless suggesting the deaths  bus drivers suffered were a direct result from sars-cov-2 as from other underlying health issues, let alone suggest they caught virus from work without some evidence. There is several thousand bus drivers and many a fair age, in bad health and from high risk groups. When will people realise 2+2 does not equal 5. What's the usual death rate in bus drivers?,ethnic make up, health, risk of catching it elsewhere? They might of caught it at work but they might of died anyway, from heart disease, obesity and related stuff, prob quite a stressfull job as well. If the drivers were catching it should be  correlation evidence from passenger deaths as well, some evidence not just assumption.

I'd like to think the using of the middle door to board a bus thus away from the driver spoke volume. Sometimes one does not require a definitive confirmation to validate a link to Covid-19 as the virus is still relatively new eg social distancing. But, the results are sufficiently revealing and conclusive.

Conclusive they are not, you having a larf, must be 3k bus drivers. How many bus drivers so how many die a year? How many went into hospital because of other health probs and possibly caught it there? It's not rocket science but without a whole lot more info it's a worthless exercise, the truth is out there.

How are they compared to delivery drivers, couriers, black cabbies, train divers or any similar occupation dealing with public and in transportation?

Yeah but we have to follow the science

Beggars belief that intelligent people cost the world so many lives

UK daily briefing medic woman says masks not needed in the UK today.

Plenty of Masks available on Line I bought 5 decent Masks with filters , Quick wash in Anti Bacterial , Good to go again ..

You are right Casemoney if going on public transport/supermarket etc imo. Why give that "advice" today in the face of most countries in the world?
They simply could have said if you feel more comfortable wearing one,by all means do,we all know they were trying to keep the masks for the NHS at the expense of the public at least til a few weeks ago but supply seems to have increased and you wonder their motives.

Mandatory in czech republic 18 deaths only

Yes Pa , problem is no fooker knows if they have it , what harm wearing a Mask , Two masked people Impossible to spread to each other IMO

Again Irish , just looking at that Figure , you would Imagine Advising wearing Masks ..

They are probably stockpiling them then will make it Known ..

All this Bollix no Anti Body tests I bet they appear in the next two weeks as well

what harm wearing a Mask

not this again case cmon fella

I didnt start it Won

if masks don't help why does Matt buy them for the nurses.?

Good point

They are lying to us!

Make your own minds up.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/uk/scotland-recommends-wearing-face-masks...

Someone somewhere conned by the so called evidence. ?

Or a government with no stockpiled PPE

We dont know now ..... Will we ever know ?

they,ve told us for 3 months this can only be passed on via droplets,if your coughing ,sneezing you should be self isolating,by saying masks stop the spread of droplets your taking away the need to self isolate
they've told us for 3 months even if you pass droplets if you stand 2 m away,your safe
they say a mask stops you spreading it if your Asympomatic,theres still no concrete evidence Asympomatics can spread it with or without masks,but as your not passing droplets ,masks make no difference,
they've either lied for 3 months or masks are of no use if you are already following the guidelines,they might as well advise wearing a pink Stetson at the same timd

Yeah i understand the german authorities actually discussed the possibility of making people wear different coloured armbands if they had or had not been tested. They eventually settled for an App.

The reason I wore a facemask after cheltenham was two fold. On my way to cheltenham an oriental lady was wiping down her seat and armrests before she took her place on the plane. Then at baggage pick up there were about six chinese looking people all wearing facemasks , picking up and wiping down there bags.

A lightbulb moment !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PexdOvu_emA

Scottish Government advice

Stinking change of tack re face masks at the briefing,seems they might actually be useful after all,what a shower.

we have to follow the science

That would make some epitaph, "he followed the science"

Anyone who needed to be Told wearing a mask would be a Positive , Needs a lot more than Government

Advice , anyone saying they would be a NEGATIVE 

As soon as we were going into Lockdown I obtained top quality masks  , I did not need anyone to

tell me to do so , Just putting my Mask on to head to the Corner shop now ..As I have been doing

for Some time ...

I was wearing my face mask in March, a cheap thing that will fall apart soon so I need to hunt for scarf or have a go at a DIY job.

40,000 dead and shaking hands comes out of intensive care to say wearing a mask is a good idea,

First of all it was make sure you wash your hands
Then we had no hugs, touching or hand shakes
Then we got sneeze or cough into the elbow
Then we got keep apart two metres
Then we got only go outside up to 2 kilometres
Then we got gards on street corners....

Facemasks just another step on the ladder ?

Did i just see boris
Telling everyone to wear facemasks ?


Bit late mate

my uncle is a retired bank robber he gave me his old mask he use to use

I turned my missus thong upside down

Tommy Walsh DIY-Time facemask...

2 for a £1 from poundland

Plenty on the public transport still don't seem that bothered!

Going to be mandatory over here if unions get their way

irishone
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The reason I wore a facemask after cheltenham was two fold. On my way to cheltenham an oriental lady was wiping down her seat and armrests before she took her place on the plane. Then at baggage pick up there were about six chinese looking people all wearing facemasks , picking up and wiping down there bags. A lightbulb moment !

.....and it took you thick ejits 3 months to cop on