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Angoose
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Good Morning Britain host providing public service by gunning for perplexed minister
John Crace  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/20/how-things-change-piers-morgan-now-the-voice-of-the-nation

How things change, part one. Not so long ago, Radio 4’s Today programme was the government’s “Public Enemy No 1”. A media centre of disinformation that needed to be boycotted – preferably shut down completely – because it couldn’t be trusted to allow ministers to tell the first lie that came into their head without some kind of follow-up question or interruption.

Since the coronavirus outbreak, Team Boris has had to reconsider its refusal to send ministers on the programme. Even Classic Dom has had to concede that not talking to one of the country’s main outlets is not a good look during a national emergency and has been reluctantly letting ministers out in the wild from time to time.

Not that the wild is particularly wild. More like a safari park, as the presenters are so thrilled ministers are no longer an endangered species that they now frequently forget to challenge them. The government can literally send out someone as hopeless as Thérèse Coffey on Today and be fairly sure it won’t come unstuck.

How things change, part two. Before Christmas, Piers Morgan was the bete noire of every bleeding-heart liberal. The gob**** Good Morning Britain presenter who shouted down any remainers complaining about the government’s absence of any credible Brexit plan as unpatriotic remoaners. Just suck it up, losers. OK, so Boris Johnson would rather hide in the fridge than talk to Morgan, but a lot of us must have had days like that.

Now, though, Morgan has become the voice of a country that is increasingly angry and confused about the way the government has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus pandemic. The everyman who isn’t afraid to use what power he has to call out bullshit and incompetence for what it is. A kind of national group therapy for all those of us who feel powerless.

What he does is not so much interview junior ministers – the government has wisely and determinedly kept all its big guns away from Morgan; ITV could clean up with Morgan v Priti Patel on pay-per-view – as harangue and shout at them with all the pent-up fury of someone who doesn’t understand why those in power aren’t more bothered that 1,000 additional people have died in the previous 24 hours. The best that any minister can hope for is to survive the barrage without post-traumatic stress disorder.

The luckless Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, was Monday morning’s government sacrificial lamb for the media round. Luckless, because Dowden was never groomed for a cabinet post. He was the perpetual Number Three. A deputy senior prefect at school. The most junior of ministers in government who could barely be trusted to carry a file from one end of Whitehall to the other. A man so dull and ineffective that even his shadow has tried to disown him. That he is now in the cabinet speaks more of the quality of the others than any talents Dowden has so far kept well-hidden.

Dowden warmed up with what he hoped would be an easy gig on BBC Breakfast with the nice-but-dim Dan Walker, the sports reporter turned chat show host whose questions generally make Graham Norton sound like Andrew Neil.

Instead, he got the much sharper Louise Minchin, who rattled off a whole load of questions on the absent personal protective equipment and the failure of Johnson to bother to turn up to five Cobra meetings, without making the slightest pretence of engaging with the answers. Because she, like us, knew he didn’t have any. “Thank you, Olivia,” she said, concluding the interview. That’s how little impression Dowden had made on her. She couldn’t even remember his name. Or if he identified as a man or a woman.

Over on Good Morning Britain, after a few warm-up punches from Susanna Reid – all of which took their toll – Morgan went in for the kill. First he asked how many NHS and care workers had died. “43,” Dowden said confidently.

Actually it was 80, said Morgan, illustrating his assertion by holding up a double-page spread from a morning paper that clearly the minister hadn’t been bothered to read.

Hell, it was early and it wasn’t like he had a serious job where it was his business to know the news. OK, Morgan continued. How many care home residents had died? “217,” Dowden replied. Er ... how about 7,500? Morgan said incredulously. Dowden looked like he might burst into tears.

That was only just for starters though. Dowden was pummelled and kicked with questions on everything from the government’s insistence it had been brilliantly prepared for the pandemic, to its selective use of scientific data and potentially life-threatening decision to allow the Cheltenham festival to go ahead on 16-19 March.

Dowden’s mouth merely opened and closed noiselessly. Every time he tried to come up with some half-truth or excuse, Morgan slammed him back on the ropes. We learned nothing, but then Dowden knows nothing. But it was cracking entertainment.

Moments later, Dowden went on the Today programme for some light rest and recuperation before getting another going over from Nick Ferrari, another interviewer who doesn’t take prisoners, on LBC radio.

By the end, Dowden could barely remember his own name. Before going back to hide under the duvet, he made one last call to No 10. “Never again,” he begged. “Please let me do the 5pm press conference instead. That’s a complete doddle compared to this.” Raab just laughed and put down the phone. Meanwhile, Dowden went on a fruitless search for what was left of his self-worth.
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Report Angoose April 20, 2020 8:57 PM BST
Even the most rabid Guardian haters can't fail to be amused by this.
Or can they Confused
Report peckerdunne April 20, 2020 9:09 PM BST
Where are they? mastermind is over
Report Angoose April 20, 2020 9:30 PM BST
They’ve started so they’ll finish Grin
Report lapsy pa April 21, 2020 9:05 AM BST
Brilliant again this morning(9.30ish +!

Tore into some clueless lesser minister who was clueless in his answers, well done Piers.
Report The Knight April 21, 2020 9:52 AM BST
If that prick Morgan is the voice of the country we truly are fu**ed.

Surely everyone can see here is entirely self-serving?

Even a clock that has stopped is right twice day.

I'm not defending politicians here but please, please do not think Piers Morgan is anything but a sensation seeking, trouble-making ****.

If he, and his fellow 'journos' (they are not really journalists), stopped hounding politicians and let them GET ON WITH IT, we'd be better off.

Remember, a lot of politicians would much rather appear 'on telly' than do any real work anwyay.

The UK is a pathetic country where 'soundbites' count for everything and real action for nothing.
Report lapsy pa April 21, 2020 10:04 AM BST
" where soundbites count for everything and real action for nothing"

Agree, at least that is being called out this morning,the general doing utmost,working 24/7 spiel is even losing the ability to fool the more guillible, someone has to call them out,that Clarke hadn't an answer to anything, whether he(Piers) is self serving is less important then right questions being asked.
Report MrBaboon April 21, 2020 10:06 AM BST
Any moron can ask difficult questions.


Getting things done is the hard part, I’ve every faith in Boris and his Government


Morgan provides good telly to the morons who think they know better.....but they are just that morons with no clue,  How to lead or organise.....just sit at home and criticise those trying to do their best.
Report sofiakenny April 21, 2020 10:10 AM BST
Getting things done is the hard part, I’ve every faith in Boris and his Government

baboon you have been eating far too many nuts pal.
Report lapsy pa April 21, 2020 10:13 AM BST
A goverment minister had no clue of the deaths of NHS workers,of care home deaths,and when the plane with ppe from Turkey that was promised Sunday would arrive,the UK manufacturers making ppe having to sell to Europe because of no goverment reply to them.

That is getting things done alright.
Report flushgordon1 April 21, 2020 10:14 AM BST
More Guardian guff from Aberdeen Angus,the hysteria of guardian readers self flaggelating.
Husseins biggest worry on Radio 4 this morning was why there were no females in the university challenge final.
Bollox!
Report flushgordon1 April 21, 2020 10:17 AM BST
In other news Loose women invent cure for covid 19 ,
Report Hanx April 21, 2020 10:17 AM BST
I hope the role of the media is bought to the table when the enquiry into all this rolls out when we get through to the other side.

Personally, I think they've been an utter disgrace, misjudging the mood of the nation, asking the wrong questions and asking them in a hectoring manner, without listening to answers and shaping further enquiries inlight of answers they receive. Just banging on with their own agenda's in an arena where nobody has the playbook and are largely making the best of it as they go along.

I think the public see the UK is no better or worse than the majority of the affected countries, accept that questions do need to be asked of politicians but that those politicians are doing their best, often in circumstances where they themselves or their nearest and dearest are suffering the effects of this awful disease and that the whole world is under attack, not just our little 2 square feet of turf and therefore things like the demand for PPE has to be viewed on a global demand level.

That seems to have no traction with the likes of Morgan (just the mouthiest clown out there) who is desperate for peer approval and ratings.
Report Hanx April 21, 2020 10:21 AM BST
If Morgan really was the bad-ass inquisitor he clearly sees himself as, why doesn't he ask about the questionable modelling of Imperial College and Neil Ferguson, which is informing the government's response to all this? Or the greatest attack on civil liberties this country has ever witnessed?

Much easier to try to get Matt Hancock to wear a hair shirt
Report Akak April 21, 2020 10:58 AM BST
He's am absolute @rsehole. Fancy's himself as a real "City Slicker" remember that?
Report Angoose April 21, 2020 11:32 AM BST
Hanx, where did you obtain your insights in to the views of the public ?
Is there a link to a recent survey that you can share with us ?
Report cooperman April 21, 2020 11:46 AM BST
Would not trust Morgan to empty my septic tank. He's a self serving tool of the first order. Surprised he's not starring on the 'who would you slap till your fn hands bled' thread.
Report Johnny_Mustang April 21, 2020 11:47 AM BST
Morgan is nothing more than a thinking man's Danny Dyer. Only unintelligent people hold his opinions in any regard.

If you like Morgan then you probably also enjoy Farage.

Idiots.
Report Hanx April 21, 2020 12:02 PM BST
Hanx, where did you obtain your insights in to the views of the public ?
Is there a link to a recent survey that you can share with us ?


By talking to people.

By monitoring my social media feed

By noting that coup and insurrection is not in fact happening on the streets of the country. For sure there are folks up in arms about the government's response to this and I'm glad about that. It'd be a sinister world if there wasn't. However there was also a vocal minority, for example, predicting a landslide for The Labour Party at the last election and for Remain in the Brexit referendum.

As for the empirical evidence you require, I confess I haven't got any, thus my use of the phrase 'I think'  - i.e presented as an opinion. It's a generally accepted custom in a chat room and I apologise for not having anything more tangible / literal in my armoury.
Report Johnny_Mustang April 21, 2020 12:04 PM BST
Hanx  Laugh

Bravo.
Report Angoose April 21, 2020 12:19 PM BST

Apr 21, 2020 -- 12:02PM, Hanx wrote:


Hanx, where did you obtain your insights in to the views of the public ?Is there a link to a recent survey that you can share with us ?By talking to people.By monitoring my social media feedBy noting that coup and insurrection is not in fact happening on the streets of the country. For sure there are folks up in arms about the government's response to this and I'm glad about that. It'd be a sinister world if there wasn't. However there was also a vocal minority, for example, predicting a landslide for The Labour Party at the last election and for Remain in the Brexit referendum.As for the empirical evidence you require, I confess I haven't got any, thus my use of the phrase 'I think'  - i.e presented as an opinion. It's a generally accepted custom in a chat room and I apologise for not having anything more tangible / literal in my armoury.


Hanx, thanks for taking the time to respond in a calm and rational manner.
It is very much appreciated.

I participate in regular YouGov polls.

Amongst the questions included in a poll I participated in yesterday was to provide an opinion on how the UK government is handling the crisis.
They also provided a list of European countries from which you were asked to select the one you believe has best responded to the crisis.

I expect that the results will be made available in due course.

Report aaronh April 21, 2020 12:27 PM BST
Piers is bad and often a terrible interviewer than just strawmans

Most on here love him because he just shouts at left/liberal types most of the time but every so often his stance is the opposite from what you'd expect
Report 1st time poster April 21, 2020 12:29 PM BST
simon Clarke next door mp to me disgusting that in the middle of a pandemic morgan didn't ask Clarke about freeports,other than those money laundering tax havens Clarke like most of the tory stooges has nothing to say, at least 10 Brexit cabinet minister missing without leave gone AWOL, FOR 3 MONTHS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLDS BIGGEST CRISIS IN 75 YEARS, shameful,anyone seen notsocleverly lately
Report MrBaboon April 21, 2020 4:40 PM BST
Agree entirely Hanx

Media have been a disgrace, Morgan ....now followed by the Jeremy Kyle brigade.

Morgan, Peston and co just ask ludicrous ridiculous question criticze and offer no positivity what’s so ever.
Report 1st time poster April 21, 2020 4:52 PM BST
how many people have died in carehomes
would you work in a corona ward in a kagool

whats ridiculous about them

asking the questions the public want answering
Report lapsy pa April 22, 2020 9:00 AM BST
Piers had Helen Whately nearly in tears this morning,i had a bit of sympathy for her as she seems to care,
however once again PM took her to task regarding playing down figures, the figure of supposed 41,000 covid deaths is a startling one,i understand delays towards getting an accurate figure but at the same time i think it is also being underplayed for political means.
Report geordie1956 April 22, 2020 9:18 AM BST
I don't like Piers Morgan but at least he is asking relevant questions about the handling of the crisis
Some idiot on the thread saying its easy to ask difficult questions & is upset that he does so which is absurd ...
We want some answers & you only get them by asking the necessary questions however they are framed

The words of John Crace on the completely unremarkable Olivia Dowden could never be more apt - "That he is now in the cabinet speaks more of the quality of the others than any talents Dowden has so far kept well-hidden"
Report cooperman April 22, 2020 3:55 PM BST
In Morgan's case, I think the words of Mark Twain are more appropriate; "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt."
Report lapsy pa April 23, 2020 8:54 AM BST
Good man Piers, Brandon Lewis the latest in the list to look totally incompetent and clueless,one after another tory minister unable or unwilling to have facts at hand and taking to task for spewing out pure bs.
Report Whisperingdeath April 23, 2020 9:08 AM BST
I am seriously concerned these Ministers are being sent in to take one for the team.

They are not able to provide answers the most obvious questions like how many NHS staff or Care Staff have died.
Report geordie1956 April 23, 2020 9:10 AM BST
You get who the electotate vote for
Would Labour do any better ... they couldn't do worse
Report Whisperingdeath April 23, 2020 9:11 AM BST
Also when did The Chief Medical Officer make Government policy?

Chatty does not decide how long we have restrictions. That is our elected Representatives decision.
Report morpteh mackem April 23, 2020 9:19 AM BST

Apr 23, 2020 -- 9:08AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


I am seriously concerned these Ministers are being sent in to take one for the team.They are not able to provide answers the most obvious questions like how many NHS staff or Care Staff have died.


as someone correctly described them, they are merely nightwatchmen.

Report Whisperingdeath April 23, 2020 9:23 AM BST
Beggars belief

The gloves need to come off in Parliament
Report 1st time poster April 23, 2020 9:31 AM BST
the tory Brexit machine doris,cummings,rees mugg,notsocleverly, scully,sunak,gove, truss, etc havnt had a glove laid on them, the expendables are taking all the flak and when lockdown getting lifted,brexit comes on the floor of commons the top order will come out to bat,unscsathed,whilst the foot soldiers are sacked,removed,demoted
Report geordie1956 April 23, 2020 9:32 AM BST
Difficult questions have to be asked by Labour but in a measured way as Starmer did yesterday  ... in a crisis the pulic want reassurance more than the usual vitriol we get in the Commons
Confront the issues; ask the questions ... dissect the replies and reveal the inadequacies of the measures Gov't have taken   .. and tell the people how you would act
Report 1st time poster April 23, 2020 9:34 AM BST
as in tory,s 10 years ON still blaming nhs shortfalls on LABOURS GREAT RECCESSION
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