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The core of this thread is of course a total and utter lie, other countries in Europe of course have a worse per capita death rate.
But Sofia is a quite fantaical hater of the Tories. Interesting. The Scottish NHS is devolved, Scotland has its own health minister and procures its own things. It has all its own policies. It is to all intents and purposes, essentially a totally independent body. It could have bought a huge stockpile of masks and so on and stored them. Didn't. IT DID NOT. No tories involved. It could have had a pile of ventilators safely waiting such an emergency. It had done neither. NO TORIES INVOLVED. It's struggling just as much as the English NHS to procure enough test kits and the above equipment, same as everyone else. Scotland has it's own legal system and police and has been passing it's own laws throughout all this, and enforcing them, it could have passed lockdown laws earlier. Didn't. I'm sure if say the Scottish NHS was ahead on cancer targets, this would have been considered proof of better management by ranting separatists. It always is. But when the independently managed SNHS has issues in this, all the issues are somehow now big bad s tupid English people at fault, eh? Because they are children. You can't have it ****ing both ways. I mean you CANNOT. Any ****er who points at any single historical target or measurement in a Scottish hospital and says "aren't we better!" then choses a DIFFERENT target in the same (managed in Scotland) hospital and because it is bad blames it on "English Tories" needs to look at themself. But they are bigots, they never will. |
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If they voted Yes you'd have a great point.
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JC attempting to defend the tories
You keep inferring that there is a political agenda from the left but can't disguise your own defence of anything & everything Tory despite evidence that they have misjudged things badly The Government who are in charge should always be under scrutiny and more so in times of crisis; whilst whatever figures being used can be distorted the fact is the Government have performed extremely poorly at a critical time ... mistakes were made in preparation for this global pandemic and the performance of most ministers has been inadequate at best ... even now they are frightened to make decisive decisions because Johnson wants input and yet he has been absent from Cobra meetings when clear & decisive judgements were necessary ... on a scale of achievement the Gov't can be measured at about 2/10 .. |
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The left is comprised entirely of intolerant bigots.
They block anybody who disagrees with them and they all sit together circle jerking in their pathetic little echo chambers |
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The CEO shakin Stevens ought to be ashamed of himself
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Got to love Geordie. I'm actually not making a pedantic point I'm making a real one.
If Ford hadn't made a bad forward strategey it would be absurd to attack General Motors. The Scottish NHS is entirely devolved. This thread was AFAIK created by a Scottish poster living in Scotland who is under that umbrella trying to make political points about bad forward strategy against a health service to the south when his own management did no better. Pointing the fact that "it's us when it's good" and "it's theirs when its bad" is PRECISELY the sort of **** Scottish nationalists come out with. It needs to be pointed out at every turn. In fact they try the reverse, the "Scottish when they lose British when they win" myth, that has been proved after studies to be nonsense. |
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Herro hansum man you wan sucky sucky?...oh no no sucky no sucky you disease dirty farang.
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In fact to extend the point to its natural fullfillment, most points Sofia could make against the "Tories" could be made against the SNP government.
You'll note he's never factual in his rants, and never actually talks about anything in Scotland who have followed the same pattern. Oh and before anyone starts, don't rewrite history with bizarre hindsight. It's tiresome. |
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So don't blame the Tories but blame the Scots for exactly the same mistakes the Tories made. OK
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So this incompetent deathly worst in Europe is the fault of the SNP?...give yer heid a shake JC ya raving nutter.
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PP your ignorance is your own problem. Not surprised you're trying to argue against it in your laughable "Not A Scottish Indy Supporter" thing though.
The Scottish NHS is entirely devolved. It has NHS in it, but apart from that it's pretty much like the Belgian NHS to the English NHS. |
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PP Some of us know what an Astroturfer is.
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I hate to keep posting as posts one after the other are into the sad mentalist category, but I'll summarise it this way:
"If the Scottish government takes credit for a devolved NHS being better in ONE area, they cannot blame a failure in the same NHS they manage on someone who isn't involved just because it SUITS them". Stick it on a Meme. |
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He has probably started a wee bit too early on whatever his alcoholic drink is today..must be blootered.
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"I am saying that you appear to have an obsession with Scotland that is totally irrelevant to this thread. "
No, you are the Angoose of irrelevance, Mr Astroturf. 1. The OP is AFAIK Scottish, 2. He is talking about an issue that involves Scotland. Err. I like it that when someone who likely supports political party is X trying to score points on political party Y, it should be shown up that party X and Y have the same polices, or indeed X is worse. PP you're rumbled btw. Long ago. |
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And I am afraid I really haven't got a clue what the astroturf reference is.
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SK: It's a totally fair point.
- Be careful when aiming that your "point" might be logically hitting somewhere closer to home. You certainly aren't. PP: Google it. Seriously. I'm not your keeper. |
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JC...The UK will exit this with the highest death rate in Europe and it's the SNP's fault?..
I'm sure if you were asked who is the more competent leader Wee Nicky or Boris you would probably vote for Buller. |
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You are not anyones keeper but you clearly have issues that perhaps it might be an idea to seek help for.
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Astroturfing. ... Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants.
Astroturfing - Wikipedia I still don't get it, sorry. |
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Be careful, you'll be accused of being a troll next.
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And whatever you do, don't ask him if it is best medical practice to reuse a single use surgical gown.
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Who's fault is it that the public vote for celebrities (Boris) and ideologists with very limited ability (Corbyn), rather than base their decisions on intellect and competence. How much does social media and the media in general play, in the trashing of experts, and in misinformation. Style Over Substance. argument by slogan, cliché thinking or thought-terminating cliché.
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Politics is polluting this thread and it has polluted the effective handling of this crisis. Politicians should have little or nothing to do with how it's handled. The scientists should be making all the decisions and telling the politicians or relevant bodies what to do, what they need etc.
Politicians mainly have no area of expertise, other than being good at lying, dodging direct questions, manipulating people to suit themselves and climbing the ladder in the filthy game that is politics. If they had any special talents, they wouldn't be politicians. The talented people in their class in private school work in the private sector or for themselves. Politicians make a career on the fact that they have connections to them. Put the politics to one side. There is absolutely no way these mugs should have anything to do with the handling of this. Completely out of their depth and deserving of huge criticism. |
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Love how Cardinal has moved from posting pictures of leftie articles to pictures of fake articles of others.
Honestly at least Trollgoose TRIES to make a coherent point sometimes and I have some iota of respect, but posting facebook leftie fake memes and "journalist opinion as fact" is just tragic. |
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must be great trying to defend these lying tories.
hope you are well paid for the way you end up looking |
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the tories start every briefing with a party political broadcast of lies
then tories say dont bring politics into it ... lol |
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Yeah the Sunday Times last night, noted left wing rag
No fictitious tweet, he deleted 4 days later but it was recorded by many and the article is right here https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2020/02/daniel-hannan-alarmism-doom-mongering-panic-and-the-coronavirus-we-are-nowhere-near-a-1919-style-catastrophe.html Just Checking EXPOSED AGAIN! |
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Even the right wing Financial Times say total deaths over 40k...these Tory tw*ts have a lot of blood on their hands.
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I mean, it would've taken him less than a minute to verify that it wasn't a fake facebook meme.
...Quite tragic though for Hannan that his authentic tweets are considered leftie facebook smear memes by even people who might generally be somewhat sympathetic towards the tories. |