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The WHO : Caught In A Superpower Struggle

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By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 18 Apr 20 21:41
China has to import 83% of the transistors used in the products it assembles. The 17% it's able to make itself are presumably the ones in the Made in China goods which stop working the second time you switch them on.

Just about every single chip in every phone and tablet assembled in China is designed in the UK. Which makes sense. A nation like China without a semiconductor industry is hardly going to be able to solve all the quadratic equations and calculate the integrals for tens of thousands of them arranged in a chip.

It's not a superpower. It's not even a manufacturer. It's the world's assembly shop, thanks to the slave labour which goes hand-in-hand with a socialist government.
By:
Angoose
When: 18 Apr 20 21:58
And what is your current definition of superpower ?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 18 Apr 20 22:00
One which knows how to design an iPhone.
By:
Angoose
When: 18 Apr 20 22:04
Somewhat narrow, don’t you think ?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 18 Apr 20 22:04
Yes.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 18 Apr 20 23:52
If you have to broaden the definition, then it's hardly a superpower, is it?
By:
Angoose
When: 19 Apr 20 05:39
Let me give you an alternative definition for your consideration that considers a single specific criteria but not an iPhone.

How about we define a superpower as a country that is able to become the technological leader in 5G technology and is able to use that technology to spy on foreign powers.

How does that definition grab you ?
By:
detraveller
When: 19 Apr 20 10:15
Well they can't spy on uks core installations so still not a superpower.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 19 Apr 20 10:23
The moment the outside world stops sending them chips to build their 5G equipment they can't build any more. They have no capacity or knowhow of their own.

The only thing they have to offer the world is socialism: i.e., slave labour and zero concern with environmental standards. So, the rest of the world sends them orders and components, and they assemble them on the cheap. Their world leadership in 5G is not in technology. It's in cost.

They're a cheap-power, not a superpower.
By:
Angoose
When: 19 Apr 20 10:41
Aren't Taiwan Semiconducter the third largest manufacturer of semi-conductors in the world Confused
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 19 Apr 20 11:14
Christ almighty. You're agreeing with the Chinese Communist Party that Taiwan is part of China?

Where is your funding coming from, Angoose? Seriously. Who is paying you to spend all day every day on here typing out anti-western propaganda?
By:
dave1357
When: 19 Apr 20 11:23
^ rofl embarrassing outburst
By:
Angoose
When: 19 Apr 20 11:37

Apr 19, 2020 -- 11:14AM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:


Christ almighty. You're agreeing with the Chinese Communist Party that Taiwan is part of China?Where is your funding coming from, Angoose? Seriously. Who is paying you to spend all day every day on here typing out anti-western propaganda?


Perhaps you need to surface for some much needed oxygen.

By:
lurka
When: 19 Apr 20 11:51
China supplied 80% of the rare earth elements imported by the United States from 2014 to 2017.

China is home to at least 85% of the world’s capacity to process rare earth ores into material manufacturers can use, according to research firm Adamas Intelligence.

It would take years to build enough processing plants to match China’s processing capacity of 220,000 tonnes - which is five times the combined capacity of the rest of the world.

Alternative processing plants would struggle to compete with China’s low costs in the future, should trade tensions abate.....

Rare earths are used in rechargeable batteries for electric and hybrid cars, advanced ceramics, computers, DVD players, wind turbines, catalysts in cars and oil refineries, monitors, televisions, lighting, lasers, fiber optics, superconductors and glass polishing.

Several rare earth elements, such as neodymium and dysprosium, are critical to the motors used in electric vehicles.

Some rare earth minerals are essential in military equipment such as jet engines, missile guidance systems, missile defense systems, satellites, as well as in lasers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-rareearth-explainer/u-s-dependence-on-chinas-rare-earth-trade-war-vulnerability-idUSKCN1TS3AQ

You can't build the chips you are talking about without China.
By:
Just Checking
When: 19 Apr 20 11:55
Father Ted was right. We should've turned racist in the 90s :)
By:
detraveller
When: 19 Apr 20 14:53
Why do people keep mentioning slave labor? That's the way China is. They can be a cheap superpower, but they still are a superpower. They are behind in tech, but still a superpower.

The next superpower does not have to be like America. It just has to be good enough to feck the superpower of the time. China holds a lot of cards. America does too. At some point it becomes a game of holding enough cards and not holding more or good cards. Like with nuclear weapons. 1000 or 10000, what's the difference. You'll only need them once and even 100 are enough.

The west will spend a lot of years blaming the Chinese for how they run their country. But they don't give a feck what you think, because they know you'll work with them anyways. It's time people accepted that fact.
By:
darren_discombobulates_sports
When: 19 Apr 20 19:25
Taiwan is a de facto independent country, pay no taxes to mainland China and have their own constitution, can't give China credit for anything Taiwan makes or produces.

There are also different types of superpowers be it economic or military, then broken down into military budget, personnel, equipment (nuclear, naval ships, aircraft etc), China on balance probably can be considered a superpower but are superpower midgets compared to the USA, dwarfed in the department that really matters, the skies.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 19 Apr 20 21:40
China doesn't hold 85% of the rare earth metals. They're distributed all over the planet.

It's just that China is a communist country, so has no pollution controls, which means they're cheaper to mine and process there than anywhere else. Hence 85% of them get purchased from there.

It's just short-sighted stupidity on the part of the Chinese Communist Party. Apart from poisoning its people and their land, they're simply extracting the stuff to sell cheaply now, and when they've extracted the lot, the US will re-open the mines they've had to close and sell the products expensively to China.

It's one of the ways the US had become so rich, and remained so: it's clever at cheaply exploiting other nation's resources while retaining its own.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 19 Apr 20 21:53
China is cruel & heartless tyranny

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By:
lurka
When: 19 Apr 20 22:11

Apr 19, 2020 -- 9:40PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:


China doesn't hold 85% of the rare earth metals. They're distributed all over the planet. It's just that China is a communist country, so has no pollution controls, which means they're cheaper to mine and process there than anywhere else. Hence 85% of them get purchased from there.It's just short-sighted stupidity on the part of the Chinese Communist Party. Apart from poisoning its people and their land, they're simply extracting the stuff to sell cheaply now, and when they've extracted the lot, the US will re-open the mines they've had to close and sell the products expensively to China.It's one of the ways the US had become so rich, and remained so: it's clever at cheaply exploiting other nation's resources while retaining its own.


nobody said they held 85%. You said they were a cheap power only, when the reality is we'd be back in the 80s technologically for at least the best part of a decade without their rare earth elements.

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