EMBARRASSED AND SHAMEFUL BRITAIN

Apr 18, 2020 -- 1:44PM, thegiggilo wrote:

Claims up to 7,500 died in care homesAs many as 7,500 people are feared to have died after contracting coronavirus in care homes, according to a leading industry body.Care England, which represents independent care firms, said it had collected data which suggested fatalities are far higher than those released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) – who recorded 217 care home deaths from the virus up until April 3.Chief executive Prof Martin Green told the Telegraph: “If we look at some of the death rates since April 1 and compare them with previous years’ rates, we estimate a figure of about 7,500 people may have died as a result of Covid-19.”But he added that “without testing, it was very difficult to give an absolute figure” on care home deaths..When will find out?

Harold Shipman revelling in death and misery again

Apr 18, 2020 -- 4:17PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

They have left people to die in Care Homes. Chatham Girls would get more protection from a bus shelter.

Most are privately owned and charge exorbitant rates.
It's up to them, not the government to have procured the correct equipment

Charlie
18 Apr 20 15:45
Joined: 01 Dec 01
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What are you finding unfalsifiable? What do you mean by that?
Unfalsifiable is a term used to say that someone is making a statement that can't be proved. For example the people who live at the end of my garden are invisible except to me. Nobody can disprove what I say. Nothing you say can be proved.

How would you have handled this if you were PM?
Remember the four point plan?
1. was Contain.
Did we contain? The answer is no. Do we still contain? The answer is no.

^

What would you have done differently to have they contained it earlier?

For example it was contained in Hove and in Surrey early on. Also a case in York was contained.

Where has all this fake sympathy for  people in care homes suddenly come from ?

Odious characters like the Rent boy hates all old people anyway, he wants them all dead as they are Tory voters.

84 tonnes of protective equipment is coming here from Turkey of all places on sunday.

What would you have done differently to have they contained it earlier?

Stop all flights from anywhere into the country.
Stop mass gatherings far earlier than they did.
Issue distancing rules far earlier than they did.
Stop public transport especially tubes and buses or ensure health rules are followed far earlier than they did.
Ensure enough PPE.
Look into obviously dangerous areas like care homes far earlier than they did.

That will do for now.

Turkey is a Thugocracy with that rascal Erdogan but we thank the bugger for this.

Where has all this fake sympathy for  people in care homes suddenly come from ?
People with dementia and other terrible illnesses left to die alone and in terror and a tory piece of filth like you has the cheek to
Claim fake sympathy...feck off you vile vile cretin.

big numbers again,counts for nowt if it works out as 8 ounces per care home, 450,000 aprons or 3 days supply

Apr 18, 2020 -- 5:11PM, jucel69 wrote:

Where has all this fake sympathy for  people in care homes suddenly come from ?Odious characters like the Rent boy hates all old people anyway, he wants them all dead as they are Tory voters.

I think you really have overstepped the mark there.

Thousands of people have relatives in care homes that they care dearly about and are paying a fortune for it thanks to your beloved tory w@nkers. I remember when you were a tad upset when your dad died. How do you think think the thousands of people who are reliant on being ripped of by the tories feel especially when just being left to die? They really are the nasty party as are their supporters.

Are there any tory supporters on here prepared to admit that our Government's response to the Covid crisis has been woefully inadequate and that their poor decision making, hesitancy and confused thinking have caused a lot of damage that might have been avoided or at least mitigated?

Charlie
18 Apr 20 16:26
Joined: 01 Dec 01
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What would you have done differently to have they contained it earlier?

Stop all flights from anywhere into the country.
Stop mass gatherings far earlier than they did.
Issue distancing rules far earlier than they did.
Stop public transport especially tubes and buses or ensure health rules are followed far earlier than they did.
Ensure enough PPE.
Look into obviously dangerous areas like care homes far earlier than they did.

That will do for now.

^

Interesting. So nothing different on the contact tracing stage?

You would have just started mitigation earlier?

When would u have started. It was March 23rd I believe Boris announced it for everyone. We started March 16th as wife shielded.

Do you know what the four point plan was? If so tell us what Contain meant.

Of course I know.

I am interested in your points. It all seems to be about doing things earlier.

You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing?

handjob hancocks cv

we need 0,000 plus ventilators you make,m we,ll buy,m name dropping every tory supporting business,jenrick today we have 10,000 and it more than enough
give the wrong spec for ventilators to manmufacturers
I,m building a 4,000 bed hospital in  london and 6 more,19 patients and councils elsewhere saying  we probably wont need them
cant provide enough PPE ,and accuses nhs of  misusing it and wasting it
ordered and paid for 16 million quids worth of tests and through them in the skip
promised 25,000 tests and failed
80.000 tests per day  away from failing his 100,000 tests a day promise
claimed to have designed a carers badge that was done by other,s a year ago
lied about deaths in care homes
lied about nhs workers dying
broke and is still breaking every social distancing rule in the book
caught the virus,
;looks like been in charge of europes biggest outbreak in europe

never has a minister failed so abysmally ,a complete and utter shoite show from hancock from a man who stood up in commons saying he and nhs is best prepared country in world for this
he no,s he,s gone aftedr the dust settles ,nhs workers will demand his head on a plate

Apr 18, 2020 -- 6:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Of course I know.I am interested in your points. It all seems to be about doing things earlier.You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing?

Yes Contain is/was about doing things earlier. I'm on about doing obvious things earlier (as I gave above) which the government didn't do which they should have.

As for: You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing? As far as I can gather there was no contact tracing early on and no testing.

Charlie
18 Apr 20 17:20
Joined: 01 Dec 01
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    Apr 18, 2020 -- 5:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


    Of course I know.I am interested in your points. It all seems to be about doing things earlier.You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing?


Yes Contain is/was about doing things earlier. I'm on about doing obvious things earlier (as I gave above) which the government didn't do which they should have.

As for: You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing? As far as I can gather there was no contact tracing early on and no testing.


^

How early on? It was certainly going on where I live in early Feb.

Learn how to quote a post as you're taking up too much space.

Then just post the relevant bit.

Apr 18, 2020 -- 6:20PM, Charlie wrote:

Apr 18, 2020 --  5:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote:Of course I know.I am interested in your points. It all seems to be about doing things earlier.You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing?Yes Contain is/was about doing things earlier. I'm on about doing obvious things earlier (as I gave above) which the government didn't do which they should have.As for: You are happy with the contact tracing used early on and happy with the level of testing? As far as I can gather there was no contact tracing early on and no testing.

How early on? It was certainly going on where I live in early Feb.

Well done.
And Doris was shaking hands when?

No idea who you are talking about pal. How early do you think testing and contact tracing was not going on?

So when you said above his name was Boris and show some respect: He is called Boris. Show a little respect to our Prime Minister please.) Just after I'd called him Doris.

You had no idea who I was talking about?

They stopped tracing after Brighton and York ironic really as they did a good job first up.
,

Apr 18, 2020 -- 4:35PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Charlie18 Apr 20 15:28Joined: 01 Dec 01| Topic/replies: 28,793 | Blogger: Charlie's blogAllowing Boris to be lost has left the operation rudderlessDoris bought it on himself with his stupid handshaking. Again your comments are unfalsifiable so meaningless. Try and deal in facts not rhetoric.^What are you finding unfalsifiable? What do you mean by that?How would you have handled this if you were PM?He is called Boris. Show a little respect to our Prime Minister please.)

Just for Inside Trader I scrolled back.

Charlie have you been drinking? Why are you being so obnoxious?

Obnoxious is a word used by someone who is losing an argument as you are. In fact you have no argument you are just being argumentative.

I am not arguing. I just thought it odd you said we had no contact testing early on and no test. When I questioned this you have decided to talking about how I quote posts instead of talking about contact tracing. Bizairre.

Any views on contact tracing or are you done?

I hope you've covered your picture of Doris in clingfilm as you'll find it easier to clean.

Go on deny what Doris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/mar/27/i-shook-hands-with-everybody-says-boris-johnson-weeks-before-coronavirus-diagnosis-video

A complete fool.

Grant as you asked i will answer what my concern is with the UK.

I have stated already and don't wish to go on anymore but your question implies, so his here is the answer.

Yes i am living in Ireland, but my wife is teaching the children of key workers, my niece is working around the clock in a UK hospital as is her dad and my sister is in a war room, leading proceedings.

They are all being paid by the UK,WORKING FOR THE UK and putting their lives at risk daily 24/7 almost.

My English son also working in the UK, so i am greatly concerned..I hope that answers your question, sitting up there in Aberdonia.

Hi pecker
As ever hope you and your family are well. Respect.

Hi Charlie hope you are well.

People might misunderstand my annoyance.

I know it's a difficult situation, people are trying.

It's the deceit, the spin, that kills me.

Time will show the full extent  of this virus and where any mistakes were made there are strong suspicion on both sides about the amount of cases we have only time will tell.
We have to remember we live in a celebrity sensationalist era where if something is an inch it becomes a mile.

you've to laugh at the right wing  nut jobs thinking calling a PM by his christain name is been respectful , if you tried it with teachers,inside prison,police, certain workplaces you,d be getting a variety of punishments, DORIS will do just fine or mr Johnson, like mr/david Cameron,mr/tony blair,mrs/thresa may, etc, why one pm in history is known as DORIS I don't no,
it sits well though,he does look/sound like a DORIS

Time will certainly show the full extent of Government incompetence and lack of leadership

"I'll be back in a few seconds"..then disappears into a fridge!

Tomorrow's Sunday Times has some inside scoops by the look of it.

Apr 18, 2020 -- 5:41PM, Charlie wrote:

Apr 18, 2020 --  4:11PM, jucel69 wrote:Where has all this fake sympathy for  people in care homes suddenly come from ?Odious characters like the Rent boy hates all old people anyway, he wants them all dead as they are Tory voters.I think you really have overstepped the mark there. Thousands of people have relatives in care homes that they care dearly about and are paying a fortune for it thanks to your beloved tory w@nkers. I remember when you were a tad upset when your dad died. How do you think think the thousands of people who are reliant on being ripped of by the tories feel especially when just being left to die? They really are the nasty party as are their supporters.

84% of care homes are private, they make an absolute fortune.
They should be able to provide their own PPE at their own cost
I don't understand the correlation between the Tories and care homes?
It's societies greed over many years that has facilitated the need for so many care homes in the first place. It's absolutely nothing to do with the Tories
People are that obsessed with material items that they can't be bothered to look after their parents in their latter years.
I would hardly class that as being caring.
My main point was actually about forum members who hate old people and now are suddenly showing fake empathy.
Not sure why you mentioned my Dad, he died on a beach drinking margaritas!

that's true  ,these care homes make a fortune ..they shouldn't be looking at the govt ...they should be looking at themselves ...they had plenty of time to plan

People die in care homes all the time thever only difference is that every death is nowluneed to  this ethnic virus

It was only Thursday they said they were going to help care homes Juice,too late.It was always going to be a problem,they should have had help sooner.
Some care homes only stopped visiting when the lockdown came,most took measures beforehand.

I accept the private part but the numbers are now looking shocking,they are British citizens,no fake empathy, it is an awful way to go.

The government's four point plan:
Contain
Delay
Research
Mitigate

Seems to have been replaced with:
Lets not bother with Contain and fck the other three.

TTT

Just keeping this right at the Top  for all our friends , Keep them all happy ,Im sure quite a

Few bang one out just looking at the thread Title ...

Mention the disasters that are going on in other Countries and the lies that are being told ,

Threads hardly get a reply , My gawd there are some sad old W@nkers on this forum

As I said before  the new SARS,  Seething and rancid syndrome .... the afflicted have been

left in a dreadful state ... And we are only 5 months down a long long road ... Lets hope

its only another 4 and a 1/2 years they have to suffer ...  Although I doubt it

Turkey to the rescue!

I remember doing accounts for private care homes and the sort of people who owned them
Avarice prìcks who couldn't give a fcuk about the residents
One guy had about 5 and he cleared well over 1 million net profit ever year
His expenditure on resident's entertainment over the 5 homes was less than 100 quid!
That was for a few board games

They are trying to deflect to the govt as they are scared of monstrous lawsuits they could end up paying out
They are culpable 100% and they know it

Make no bones about it, this is a soft version of herd immunity
I think it's the correct thing to do
Originally they said 80% of the population are going to have to get it
so it might as well be sooner rather than later & we can see from the last month that the NHS hasn't been overrun.
Apart from a few PPE issues I'm sure they are secretly very pleased with how things are going

Good article WD. Tory boys not queuing up to reply I notice.

they are sitting cross legged in front of the telly waiting for the daily bullsh1t

Apr 18, 2020 -- 10:57PM, jucel69 wrote:

Apr 18, 2020 --  4:41PM, Charlie wrote:Apr 18, 2020 --  4:11PM, jucel69 wrote:Where has all this fake sympathy for  people in care homes suddenly come from ?Odious characters like the Rent boy hates all old people anyway, he wants them all dead as they are Tory voters.I think you really have overstepped the mark there. Thousands of people have relatives in care homes that they care dearly about and are paying a fortune for it thanks to your beloved tory w@nkers. I remember when you were a tad upset when your dad died. How do you think think the thousands of people who are reliant on being ripped of by the tories feel especially when just being left to die? They really are the nasty party as are their supporters.84% of care homes are private, they make an absolute fortune.They should be able to provide their own PPE at their own costI don't understand the correlation between the Tories and care homes?It's societies greed over many years that has facilitated the need for so many care homes in the first place. It's absolutely nothing to do with the ToriesPeople are that obsessed with material items that they can't be bothered to look after their parents in their latter years.I would hardly class that as being caring.My main point was actually about forum members who hate old people and now are suddenly showing fake empathy.Not sure why you mentioned my Dad, he died on a beach drinking margaritas!

The nasties have cut spending on adult social care since being in power since 2010. Anyone who could introduce a dementia tax is clearly misguided and heartless.

The nasties do allow care homes to make an absolute and disgusting fortune. Why don't they do something about it?

Which forum members are now showing fake empathy for old people? I must admit that wasn't how I interpreted your post though. Many, many people are showing genuine empathy for those in care homes and their families. I mentioned your father because you were, as you should be, upset by his death. Many people are upset by people dying in care homes.

I agree private care homes should have bought PPE but the problem may have been there was none to buy thanks to the nasties.

call me pickey [ AGAIN ] but when a future PM in  GE, campaign tells the lemmings he has a social care plan ready to go[ OVEN READY DORIS SAID ],your entitled to ask where and what is it

Charlie..dementia and other terrible illnesses suffered by poor terrified patients who have been simply left to die alone and juicy
comes along with the cheerful death of his dad supping booze on a beach....and claims as fake the concern we have..wac.

So many experts. You have to wonder why we have a problem.

No only an idiot would have to wonder why!

You are a little bit late with that pathetic argument akabula.

Where were you when the leaders of our defence against the virus were all simultaneously struck down with it?

You know the real experts not the ones on here who by the way have not managed to contract the illness

hackbula

the right are so blinded, only form of defence is attack, and that's weak as pish, it's utterly embarrassing

The Title should Be England not Britain England  has the Most Cases / Deaths , Compare Scotland

N eire with Other nations Figures on Par if not better ,North of Leeds , very Few cases  ,

The plan of Piling millions of people into Diverse and Vibrant Cities has Back fired , BIG TIME..

UK ok

s****

diverse and vibrant are debatable mate innit

or did you mean, diverse and violent

Snigg*r ffs!

I think maybe case has fat thumbs and meant to post his filth on the Stephen Lawrence thread with his mates

fried onion and mushy pea, pure heaven

wd i did not enter that thread............

felt very sorry for the lads father

Pecker If you campare The Eire to Northern Eire Figures sadly you are Racing ahead ,Both areas have not peaked , And again , the Majority of Irish cases in County Dublin ....

So are your figures shameful ??

Massively over populated Towns are the problem , as if you look at New York

But all keep ignoring the Obvious that's the way forward

Lets crack on with ramming people in Like Sardines ..

If you've got a the biggest City in Europe with high population density and no PPE, all the more reason to lockdown sooner than other countries so that it gets into hospitals as little as possible.

The big city/density argument doesn't stack up and density and size/amount of cities would have been taken into account by the scientists. But they still advised that they weren't worried about sports events and it was the leagues/sports themselves which shut down, not the government.

The government wanted it to spread. Encouraging the spread of this was a monumental f up, esp with a City the size of London. It doesn't need any encouragement to spread like wildfire.

Airports should have been closed earlier  Testing at Airports a waste of time , As for leaving The tube running , One word insanity

cummings was well up for herd immunity it appeals to his science led brain ,toby young another, their no backtracking after the numbers came out, but it will all come out in the wash

If we get an extra 300,000 death due to massive tax rises and benefit cuts due to the trashing of the economy I imagine the left will be enraged with that too

Case, i think you are wrong..

Firstly the TOTAL for the Republic is about 70% of what you are getting Daily in England

So no i am not ashamed..

Secondly the North of Ireland is not reporting all its cases but the South is..

540 to 200 approx but the 200 is nearer 3 than not

The size of each area, the population etc

The fact that the virus has largely been contained to the East is signs of our early interventions saving lives.

We didn't dither or politicise and have done bloody well imo

no one seemed to mind when IDS POLICIES KILLED 1000,S in the so called sunny uplands time,s

insider with another ridiculous statement tbh im afraid.

and at least we have the party in power who think 4 million unemployed is a price worth paying
and 19 million who thought been poorer for next 50 years was a price worth paying for Brexit

so to save lives, both must be a doddle

Old man with long term terminal disase gets added to virus figures thats the level of credibility these figures have

@ Casemoney,The Irish figure include care home deaths,they make up half,if you halved the Irish figures on the way the UK doen't include outside hospital deaths to date really,it would look a lot different,

if the bloke with terminal disease had been murdered with a shotgun,what would be the cause of death

Fright.

me and the wife have 4 parents all over 86 and not sacrificing them for any stupid kooont that says they,d have died anyway at some point

Ireland isn't beyond criticism. They didn't close airports and let 5,000 Italians travel after they had cancelled the home rugby match with Italy, just for a bit of tourism money! And that was after our first few cases, the first of which was a girl who had been on a school ski trip to Italy and her friend who she infected when she got home. I live less than half a mile from that school. Bonkers letting those fans travel. The reason it is concentrated around Dublin is because of the airport and the population density.

Encouraging the spread of this is another level of incompetence at best, however. Especially given the population density of London/England.

Apr 19, 2020 -- 7:48PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

If we get an extra 300,000 death due to massive tax rises and benefit cuts due to the trashing of the economy I imagine the left will be enraged with that too

You really have become the new bullsh!te master. How do you propose that could possibly be measured? I hope you have been concerned about deaths during the years of unnecessary austerity by your beloved nasties. How many deaths do you think that has caused?

IDS  has the calculation ,give him a ring he,ll what to feed in to the computer

Apr 19, 2020 -- 9:02PM, Charlie wrote:

Apr 19, 2020 --  6:48PM, InsiderTrader wrote:If we get an extra 300,000 death due to massive tax rises and benefit cuts due to the trashing of the economy I imagine the left will be enraged with that tooYou really have become the new bullsh!te master. How do you propose that could possibly be measured? I hope you have been concerned about deaths during the years of unnecessary austerity by your beloved nasties. How many deaths do you think that has caused?

As the lady said today you do it by averaging last few years against next few years.

Trust me the radical left will go crazy when they are told of the cuts and tax rises that will be required to pay for this.

Funny. Trust you ha ha. You are a guesser of the worst order. First lot to complain will be the nasty supporters.

It isn't Lurka,it did try and get it's citizens back to Ireland quickly and looked after everyone who lost their job as well as they could.
I believe Ryanair had training in Dublin for a good few crew at the time and yep they were from N italy,that and the re relaxing of care home visiting after stopping it major mistakes too.

Ireland isn't beyond criticism. They didn't close airports and let 5,000 Italians travel after they had cancelled the home rugby match with Italy, just for a bit of tourism money!

Lurka thats a shameful thing to say, they called the match off, were the first to do so, asked the Italians not to travel..

Every airport was open and is open around the world.........even now

Apr 19, 2020 -- 9:09PM, Charlie wrote:

Funny. Trust you ha ha. You are a guesser of the worst order. First lot to complain will be the nasty supporters.

Charlie is back for his evening insulting session. Really nasty and unnecessary.

I only insult tw@ts.

by radical left do you mean doris and rishi,
you must remember we,re all lefties now

shame but writing something on the side of a bus, is so last year,

Apr 19, 2020 -- 9:11PM, Charlie wrote:

I only insult tw@ts.

Enjoy your evening. Don't drink too much. Laters.

People criticising the current lockdown on the basis of economic damage are the same people who think we should release it and get people back to work. Releasing it early would only cause more spread and death and result in an even longer lockdown, causing even more economic damage.

If you are unhappy about the lockdown, blame the government for not closing airports, for encouraging the spread and for not locking down earlier. The only way a lockdown was avoidable was if you'd done all that and got on top of it early and took it seriously from day 1 like in countries like Korea and Japan, who haven't had a lockdown (but Japan is kicking off again now and might need one soon). Once you are over the peak trajectory you will be in more or less the same position as you were at the start except they will take it seriously from day 1 thereafter.

Oh but look at Sweden - Sweden is a special case naturally set up to do what they did, with social distancing in place more or less 100% of the time. The spread couldn't get out of hand there to the same extent as other countries. No other country could do what they've done, except some of the other Nordics perhaps, without ending up in the same position as the rest of Europe.

19 million voted to be prepared to be poorer ,nbrexiteers have told us for 2 years,so theres 19 million voting for a tax hike for starters

Pecker no way calling off a match and allowing 5,000 people from the European epicentre to come over here for no good reason after your first case from North Italy is beyond criticism. Bollócks it's shameful, it's not even close. A primary school kid could tell you that wouldn't be smart.

you have to remember Cheltenham was going ahead, everything was, it was not possible at that stage to close borders, turn planes around..

Don't get me wrong, i see your point and i did not want them coming, but to say for a few quid of tourism money, thats plain wrong and shameful imo..ill leave it at that

Schools/colleges closed 12th March,UK 20th March with some being left open for key workers.

They were fairly on the ball. Honest and transparent as well with the daily briefings,could have done better but overall i'd be v slow to knock them.

Fair enough about the tourism bit. You are right. I didn't realise they asked them not to travel. But in doing that they recognised that it was a problem and didn't do enough imo. You are allowed to restrict the freedom of movement between EU states on public health grounds.

I think they've done a good job since then alright and a British person would learn more about the whole thing from watching the Irish press conferences instead of their own.

no worries lurka

see the irish solution thread for virus, if ye like