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casemoney
17 Apr 20 15:21
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Only 145 in London  which I would Imagine is the lowest for a while

Thought overall we may have seen a drop today ,sadly not Sad

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By:
casemoney
When: 17 Apr 20 15:22
Some predictions saying we can expect 40,000 deaths in the long run
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Apr 20 15:43
half way mark surpassed already id estimate
By:
Dotchinite
When: 17 Apr 20 15:53
Halfway would put us close to 40k wouldnt it. We are at 14.5 and the figures are a couple of days in arrears so add say 1500 and theres probably 3000 in care homes. Thats 19,000 so not far from 40k if you double it.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Apr 20 16:07
The fact that the number off cc beds in use is in decline, means we've clearly passed the worst in terms of infections, as naturally people get infected a week or two before needing a cc bed.  That's a more reflective live figure than deaths, which seems to be lagging in it's timeliness, although obviously there's a lag anyway between needing a cc bed and death.  Belgium now the European epicentre.  21% higher in terms of deaths per million than Italy and rising.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Apr 20 16:17
A guesstimate, but maybe a median average of 12 days between infection and needing a hospital bed and then maybe a median average of 7 days between needing a hospital bed and death.  On that basis, it will be maybe be another 4 days or so before we see daily death figures going down, maybe more if there is a delay in reporting daily deaths
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Apr 20 16:20
30-40k deaths feels the most likely tally at the end of the Summer.
By:
Petraco
When: 17 Apr 20 16:21
Can anybody explain why today we have declared the third highest daily number of new cases (5599), if we are allegedly close to the peak of deaths?  And especially as the other two daily numbers that exceed todays total look to be outliers or a realignment of the method of counting?
By:
Eric.Cartman
When: 17 Apr 20 16:24
prob more testing
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Apr 20 16:26
Because we are testing more Petraco.  Over 90% of cases go undetected, imo it will be nearer 3 million than 1 million and the official figure is barely over 100k.  There is also a delay between infection and confirmation of infection, which generally only happens a few days after entering hospital.
By:
Petraco
When: 17 Apr 20 16:28
OK thanks for that clarification.  Just looking at the graph for Italy they last exceeded our daily figure on March 27th, so that puts us about three weeks behind them, if that means anything at all...
By:
posy
When: 17 Apr 20 16:32
It's only the ratio of death to total population that's a meaningful statistic ;others are useful merely to show the direction of travel.
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:33
We are on Day 30 after having reached 100 deaths.
At the same stage, Italy had 14,681 deaths.

Population of Italy is 60.5M, UK is 67.9M.
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:34
Number of people tested last five days   8,346  11,879   11,170   13,829   13,943
Positive results  4,342   5,252   4,603   4,617   5,599
By:
sofiakenny
When: 17 Apr 20 16:35
One day the care homes and at homes will be included...I wonder when?
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:35
We are 14 day behind Italy counting from the day of 100 deaths.
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:36
Still haven't peaked for new cases, 4,799 per day average Apr 1 -10, 4,991 for April 11 - 17.
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:37
And don't forget, deaths are a lagging indicator. You need to focus on the leading indicator i.e. new cases
By:
Injera
When: 17 Apr 20 16:38
Surely these are registered deaths? Some may have died a week ago. Hard to know when the peak is if that’s the case.
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:38
Here is a chart that shows the typical progress of the virus

By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:39

Apr 17, 2020 -- 4:38PM, Injera wrote:


Surely these are registered deaths? Some may have died a week ago. Hard to know when the peak is if that’s the case.


When they discuss the peak, they are referring to new infections.

By:
Eric.Cartman
When: 17 Apr 20 16:40
Angoose, i saw that chart last time you posted it...honestly fella theres no way 9/10 hospital patients are walking away from this
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:46
Not my data Eric, but will be somewhat reliable for the times for each of the stages though.
If the government was to release the number of recovered cases, we could arrive at a death rate.

Spain is 20%, Italy 36%, Germany 5%.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:47
Not all in the past 24 hours though are they Crazy

Do any of you lot actually read the sodding story in full? or is it just the number you see in the headline ?

Of the new deaths, 138 occurred on 16 April, 320 on 15 April, and 109 on 14 April.

They ain't 24 hour death stats ffs, they even tell you that in the story, but its the fear that counts so just post the number in full and watch people panic as per

Utterly pathetic
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:49
Isn't there an electric socket you can go and play with ? Crazy

It's a 24 hour reporting cycle, there will be another figure tomorrow in that same cycle.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:49
So yesterdays deaths? are they for the 11th 12th and 13th?

Because we were told last week there's a week lag, but that's not baring out with these death figures
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:49
Angoose so the same people die twice do they?

You lot are so stupid its quite sad
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:50
There is aan administrative process to go through, some deaths will be processed faster than others for a variety of reasons.

Why don't we arrange some formal IQ tests to determine who the stupid one is.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:52
These deaths still aren't a 24 hour death stat ffs, some are happening on this date, some on this date, some on this date

Who's stupid again???
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Apr 20 16:52
Sontar you are a lone wolf on above, you are almost a lone wolf on Trump thread, does this not tell you something............

please stop all the bollox............
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:52
They ain't 24 hour deaths stats no matter how you try to pathetically spin it Cry

Utterly mind boggling
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:53
How is deaths happening on the 14th to the 16th a 24 hour death stat??? its a 3 day death stat?

Utterly pathetic arguments on here
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:54
Ban me ffs

Put us out of our bloody misery Sad

Joke
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:54
Can't you just go away  and teach the Romanians how to pick strawberries or something  Confused
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Apr 20 16:54
the leading indicator is cc beds in use imo.  It's not a daily figure, it's not as nearly as likely to be misreported, (as with new cases and deaths) and it's not subject to unknown testing criteria. (as with new cases)
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:55
You see no argument just petty insults

Pathetic ain't the word, no wonder they can get away with it
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:56
3 day death stat and this lot think its a 24 hour rolling count

They couldn't make it more black and white

"professional gamblers".... you've got to be kidding me Laugh
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Apr 20 16:56

Apr 17, 2020 -- 4:54PM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:


the leading indicator is cc beds in use imo.

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:56
Hurry up and report my facking posts will you

They'll soon ban don't worry, this forum is a facking joke
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Apr 20 16:57
Terry's well out of it
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