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Hancock `I Wish PPE Would Fall From The Sky"
Hancock `I Wish PPE Would Fall From The Sky"
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Whilst you are free to ponder what motivates others, you are clearly not free to decide.
That just doesn't make sense, does it. |
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Wow! A poster blaming time spent of Brexit for the state of the country regards Covid-19.
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Exactly my point wasn't it, you were using it to indicate your impartiality.
I'm not interested in answering your questions, they are usually meaningless in the current situation and a diversionary tactic you regularly use when you are in a tight spot, I don't play by your rules. As for scrutiny I told you to scrutinise all you like, if you don't consider that an answer that's too bad. |
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But you do appear interested in responding to my posts
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As for diciding your motives, who should decide how I view them other than me? others can decide for themselves.
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There you go again.
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When politicians are in a "tight spot", would you agree that they often avoid answering questions ?
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Plenty of occasions of you jumping in on my post, when they are not directed at you, if you can't handle the responses don't post.
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Another diversionary question, seems to be a habit with you.
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'Angoose' has a long history of moving the goalpost when losing an argument. Best to 'ignore'. A proven timewaster.
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And here we go again, two individuals who don't like the expression of views that are different from their own join forces, imagining that somehow this makes their views more valid than those they are opposed to.
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Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Please explain with some examples.
Or don't you do explanations either ? |
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Sorry to keep you hanging around, i popped out, but you never seem to have anything else to do anyway.
So ....examples, recent one I recall was commenting on the end of the lockdown, I posted something along the lines of Europe already returning to work, got jumped on by N88uk? and who was the very next poster to "join forces" with him? well I think you will find it was you, of course you both quickly jogged on, because you had no argument to make, just couldn't keep your nose out. No doubt you will conveniently have no memory of it, but I can dig it out when I have time, if you like. That's just me, I dare say others have experiences of their own. |
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I see, you bear grudges.
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Save you a job ......
potlis • April 17, 2020 10:10 AM BST Boris won't be making the decision when we go back to work, reality will. Most of Europe now heading back to work, America and the rest won't be far behind, together with those who never fully went for lockdown. That will leave just the UK, sixth largest economy, sitting idle and continuing to rack up ever more £Billions of debt, while the rest of the World moves on, could see oceans of money moving out of sterling, and good luck selling those UK Government bonds needed to finance all that debt. n88uk • April 17, 2020 11:27 AM BST Most of Europe are not now heading back to work lol. Angoose • April 17, 2020 11:34 AM BST I resisted the temptation on that one, but am glad that someone else has picked up on it |
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if you can't handle the truth don't ask me to be honest.
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Was a rather odd claim though, don't you think, to claim that most of Europe was heading back to work.
If you'd like to know more about what is happening in regards to lockdowns, I posted a useful guide on the forum earlier today. Was prepared by Sky News, very comprehensive, and no evidence of most of Europe returning to work. |
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I love it when people are honest, I also love it when they answer simple questions.
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Answering questions lubricates debate.
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More diversion ,try sticking to the point, you ask for example I've given it.
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withholding vital information, putting lives at risk.
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Your hypocrisy of course, accusing others of doing what you do yourself.
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If you wish to consider me a hypocrite for agreeing that you made a somewhat foolish statement regarding Europe going back to work, feel free.
I don't have a particular problem with that. But you still don't want to answer some basic questions and I'd hazard a guess that it is simply because you don't want to have to agree with what I have said. The thought of you having to acknowledge that certain points I have made appears to be too much for you. |
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Poor swerve that won't fool anyone, your a hypocrite and it's plain for all to see.
Sorry, but there's no obligation on anyone to answer meaningless questions , simply to help get you off the hook by moving the debate on somewhere else. |
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As a reminder :
Q1. Does best medical practice state that you should use single use gowns on multiple occasions? Q2. If sufficient quantities of single use gown were available, would these "exceptional" measures be required? The Royal College of Nursing claims that the new guidance was developed without a full consultation. Meanwhile, the British Medical Association (BMA) - which represents doctors – said they felt any changes to recommendations had to be driven by scientific evidence rather than supply. The Royal College of Surgeons of England (RCS) said it was “deeply disturbed” by changes to official guidance, which now states healthcare professionals could be asked to reuse items when treating Covid-19 patients. Professor Neil Mortensen, president-elect of the RCS, said the updated guidance implied that surgeons may not require adequate PPE, which he called “simply unacceptable”. If you can't bring yourself to agree with me that reusing single use gowns is not best medical practice, then maybe you can find it more acceptable to agree with the Royal College of Nursing and The Royal College of Surgeons of England. |
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The debate on the PPE issue was in play long before you introduced the hypocrite defence.
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The Royal College of Nursing and The Royal College of Surgeons of England don't consider those as meaningless questions and I suspect the families of medical staff who have lost their lives to COVID-19 don't find them as meaningless either.
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When all else fails play the emotion card, sorry that won't work either.
Now about your hypocrisy....... |
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Is that really the best you have got ?
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the truth is always enough.
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So what is the truth regarding the reuse of single use gowns and why do you not wish to acknowledge it?
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So single use plastic is acceptable now?!
 Of course it's not best practice but you've got to be realistic and pragmatic. A used gown that has been cleaned is surely better than nothing There's no point stamping your feet and demanding things are not possible https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/41793575-war-doctor Well worth a read to put things into perspective |
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jucel, if you’d seen my full post, you’d have seen that I accepted that innovative solutions were required.
My bone of contention was the management of the decision. |
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And that’s kinda what the various doctor and nursing associations are saying.
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When you have a decision to take that you can easily predict will be unpopular with the workforce, involved them, make them part of it.
But they didn’t, it was imposed. |
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The shortage of PPE faced by frontline staff has been underlined by an NHS worker in an intensive care unit at a major COVID-19 trauma centre in London.
Speaking on condition of anonymity to Sky News, he said: "It feels very much like it's reliant on how much stock they have as opposed to clinical guidance. "Because if it was clinical guidance they would have set what the lowest, safest practice would be from the get go. "If they're saying this is the standard we should be having in intensive care and then when it seems something becomes low they then say we don't actually need to be wearing that any more that then becomes very suspect. "The problem is that it (the guidance) is constantly changing, because it is very much reliant on the stock, not on the evidence." He added: "That doesn't fill you with confidence." He was concerned staff safety was being put at risk because of the lack of proper clothing. |
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fair point
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These people find solutions every day, get their help and they’ll come up with better solutions than someone sitting at a desk will.
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